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    Quote Originally Posted by justaparent View Post
    The 'Friends of' Facebook page seems to have been removed, unless it's just my system.

    I understand why they would feel that's the best decision now that the search has come to an end. There's no need for friends and family to monitor and deal with hateful comments.
    I'm glad they took it down. I'll never understand people who try to kick grieving people while they're helpless and vulnerable. Thinking of the woman who ran that fb page having to read through the hate as she deleted it, while grieving her friend... well, they have much more important things to do right now.

    Is anyone here close enough to run the 5K? I wish I could.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    One of our members asked me to share this article. I mentioned this case yesterday. The author hopes it helps us as we grasp some kind of understanding of suicide. I felt Part 4 was extremely helpful to me.

    I've linked each part so you can find them easily.

    Part 1: http://www.correctionsone.com/correc...oved-one-pt-1/

    Part 2: http://www.correctionsone.com/correc...ed-one-part-2/

    Part 3: http://www.correctionsone.com/correc...oved-one-pt-3/

    Part 4: http://www.correctionsone.com/correc...oved-one-pt-4/
    Kimster, thank you a million times for this! On behalf of me, please thank the member that suggested posting it as well. The thanks button wasn't enough. I didn't want to comment on any personal dealings with suicide on Leanne's thread, but I had to at least thank you after reading that. Part 4 was very important to me. My older brother, who was a police officer, shot and killed himself at the age of 32, ten years ago. Ironically enough, he was in Lockhart, the town where I just read Leanne's autopsy was completed. No matter how many years pass, my grief never lessens because each day just becomes one more since the last time I got to talk to him and hug him.

    Anyway, I needed this article. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
    And I apologize for posting this on Leanne's thread, but I definitely wanted to show my appreciation.

    Rip Leanne...


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    The "vivid" dreams my friends had were about rivers of blood, dead bodies, graphic murder scenes.

    There was also someone involved in organization who murdered a local based on hallucinations from their meds, but I don't know a lot of details on his case.

    Again though, there are so many better options, I don't know why someone would choose to take Larium, IMO. Again this is all irrelevant if she wasn't taking it.


    As an aside, it's hard t describe the anxiety of returning home. I have an extremely close family, as in my best friends are my family and I was terrified. And like I said 10 years on it is still a constant struggle to not run away and be the person I feel like I truly am and not the person I am "supposed" to be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ellabella View Post
    The "vivid" dreams my friends had were about rivers of blood, dead bodies, graphic murder scenes.

    There was also someone involved in organization who murdered a local based on hallucinations from their meds, but I don't know a lot of details on his case.

    Again though, there are so many better options, I don't know why someone would choose to take Larium, IMO. Again this is all irrelevant if she wasn't taking it.


    As an aside, it's hard t describe the anxiety of returning home. I have an extremely close family, as in my best friends are my family and I was terrified. And like I said 10 years on it is still a constant struggle to not run away and be the person I feel like I truly am and not the person I am "supposed" to be.
    In my case this drug was recommended to me by my travel doc, and this was the case for most people I met in my travels as well (who were taking the same drug). I don't know that there actually were any better options for where the places I was living - this was the top choice, and the others were considered back-ups, and yes reading the side effects makes it look like russian roulette but that's not how it really played out. But whatever, I know this isn't relevant unless it was a factor for Leanne, and we may never know if it was.

    My most vivid malaria pill dream was actually one based on fear of returning home. I was getting "sucked" home through a vortex and fighting it. In all of this tragic story, Leanne's fear/anxiety of returning home is the emotion I can relate to the most strongly.


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    Oh wow, geesh. I had no idea she had his backpack and both of their wedding rings!

    Oye!

    Now, this malaria pill hunch is interesting. That never would have crossed my mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by peace9274 View Post
    There seems to have been 'something' (anxiety?) definitely going on with Leanne during
    the final days/weeks of their journey. Josh said - at the FB page - that Leanne had stated
    she was afraid to return to the US. I keep wondering what it was she was afraid of.
    for MeSeek: Is it true she had both of their wedding rings? Where did you read this?

    IF so, then that speaks volumes, imo.
    "The Greek word moira (μοῖρα) literally means a part or portion, and by extension one's portion in life or destiny.
    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

    Wikipedia


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    Quote Originally Posted by MeSeek View Post
    Oh wow, geesh. I had no idea she had his backpack and both of their wedding rings!

    Oye!

    Now, this malaria pill hunch is interesting. That never would have crossed my mind.
    Looking for link to, both of the weddings bands and not finding, could you link please. tia
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuckinNewEng View Post
    Kimster, thank you a million times for this! On behalf of me, please thank the member that suggested posting it as well. The thanks button wasn't enough. I didn't want to comment on any personal dealings with suicide on Leanne's thread, but I had to at least thank you after reading that. Part 4 was very important to me. My older brother, who was a police officer, shot and killed himself at the age of 32, ten years ago. Ironically enough, he was in Lockhart, the town where I just read Leanne's autopsy was completed. No matter how many years pass, my grief never lessens because each day just becomes one more since the last time I got to talk to him and hug him.

    Anyway, I needed this article. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
    And I apologize for posting this on Leanne's thread, but I definitely wanted to show my appreciation.

    Rip Leanne...
    I will pass this on right away! He wrote the article just for you , believe me.


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    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...ay-5159834.php

    Leanne Bearden also had her wedding and engagement rings when she left, family members said.

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25...en-found-texas

    O'Conner told local media the deceased woman was wearing a ring that appeared identical to that of Bearden's.

    ...............

    Police say they have confirmed the body through identification on the body, as well as through two wedding rings, which were publically shows throughout the long probe.

    Read more: http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-lo...#ixzz2tPaXMhVL


    bbm ?
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    When someone commits suicide, the hardest part for us as survivors is try to make logical sense of something that was executed by someone that was not making any logical sense at the time.
    Leanne was described as a people-pleaser. The one that was there to lift someone up when they are down.
    If she was suffering from a darkness that was so unfamiliar to her and so overwhelming, the people-pleaser in her maybe did not know how to be the one that NEEDED the help.
    Being vulnerable is very scary... and when you are the one that is dark and depressed-you are never thinking clearly.
    She mentioned in their blog that they were forever changed for their travel experience... perhaps going to back to her old life as a new person was much more terrifying to her than we will ever know.
    An identity-crisis, if you will.
    We don't know if she shared any fears or sadness with her closest confidantes.
    I doubt that these friends would betray her by posting their conversations on Facebook.
    Perhaps now these friends will come forward and share with her husband and her family, so the puzzle pieces will slowly come together and make a small iota of sense. And maybe, just maybe, they will find some peace.
    That is what my prayers are for. Every day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...ay-5159834.php

    Leanne Bearden also had her wedding and engagement rings when she left, family members said.

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25...en-found-texas

    O'Conner told local media the deceased woman was wearing a ring that appeared identical to that of Bearden's.

    ...............

    Police say they have confirmed the body through identification on the body, as well as through two wedding rings, which were publically shows throughout the long probe.

    Read more: http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-lo...#ixzz2tPaXMhVL


    bbm ?
    I don't know this for a fact, but Josh did say that he bought her an anniversary ring that was identical to her wedding ring, and she wore both of them with her engagement ring. So maybe the "two wedding rings" were her two identical rings (one wedding, one anniversary). Josh for sure would have mentioned if his own wedding ring had been missing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherearewenow View Post
    When someone commits suicide, the hardest part for us as survivors is try to make logical sense of something that was executed by someone that was not making any logical sense at the time.
    Leanne was described as a people-pleaser. The one that was there to lift someone up when they are down.If she was suffering from a darkness that was so unfamiliar to her and so overwhelming, the people-pleaser in her maybe did not know how to be the one that NEEDED the help.Being vulnerable is very scary... and when you are the one that is dark and depressed-you are never thinking clearly.
    She mentioned in their blog that they were forever changed for their travel experience... perhaps going to back to her old life as a new person was much more terrifying to her than we will ever know.
    An identity-crisis, if you will.
    We don't know if she shared any fears or sadness with her closest confidantes.
    I doubt that these friends would betray her by posting their conversations on Facebook.
    Perhaps now these friends will come forward and share with her husband and her family, so the puzzle pieces will slowly come together and make a small iota of sense. And maybe, just maybe, they will find some peace.
    That is what my prayers are for. Every day.
    Very true what you are saying, about those who are people pleasers and vulnerable.

    I wrote in an ebook kindle on amazon, about my own experiences here when my daughter was lost to suicide about Leanne's age. Actually, she was 2 years younger then Leanne and I'm thinking that if she had a bi polar disorder, it's not easily seen except those who know her well. (blowing hot and cold).

    ebook I wrote:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=59655&page=17
    "The Greek word moira (μοῖρα) literally means a part or portion, and by extension one's portion in life or destiny.
    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

    Wikipedia


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leomoon80 View Post
    Very true what you are saying, about those who are people pleasers and vulnerable.

    I wrote in an ebook kindle on amazon, about my own experiences here when my daughter was lost to suicide about Leanne's age. Actually, she was 2 years younger then Leanne and I'm thinking that if she had a bi polar disorder, it's not easily seen except those who know her well. (blowing hot and cold).

    ebook I wrote:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=59655&page=17
    Leomoon, I am so sorry that you lost your daughter... I can not even imagine. And I respect you greatly for sharing your story.
    I personally know several people that developed bi-polar in their 30s. Usually from a significant life event that acts as a trigger. Some have subtle symptoms; while others are more severe.
    I am so sorry for your loss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    I think a lot of us here have experienced suicide...and know that there are no explanations that make sense, or even that we will ever believe. Sometimes people are even offended, thinking they were not reason enough to live for, but I doubt the person who goes this route is thinking that way at all. They are seeing a bleak or hopeful future, for whatever reason and choose not to go forward. I guess what I am saying, it is not about "us" (those left behind).

    You are so right! It isn't about "us" or "them" or the family they leave behind. Those who are having such a hard time believing she did this, should stop to think... it was not about Josh, or her own family, it was about HER and her need to end her pain. We did not know her, we have no idea what her reasons were, or what she was going through.

    When you think about it, suicide is a selfish act. At that point in time, they are only thinking of ending whatever torment is going through their minds. It's more about the pain they're living through, than it is about what it will do to their loved ones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elainera View Post
    What is the difference? I would have thought manner of death is hanging and cod is asphyxiation? Is that wrong?
    Manner of death would be suicide. There are only a few deaths that fall in that category... homicide, suicide and natural causes. There are numerous causes of death, too many to list. But the manner of death is suicide, and the COD is asphyxiation by hanging.


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