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    Australia - Eeva Dorendahl-Hutchings, 4, & Greg Hutchings, 35, NSW, 11 Jan 2014 #3

    This has been all over the news and Facebook this morning. I hope they find them quickly.

    A father and daughter have been reported missing from NSW's north coast after they failed to meet up with family members.

    Greg Hutchings, 35, and his four-year-old daughter, Eeva Dorendahl, were last seen on Pottsville Road at Pottsville about 12.30 pm (AEDT) Saturday.


    Police say the pair were due to meet family in the area about midday but never arrived.


    Family hold serious concerns for the pair's welfare.

    Greg is described as Caucasian, about 175cm tall, with short brown curly hair and of a thin build.

    Eeva is described as Caucasian, with long blonde hair, blue eyes and of a thin build.

    Anyone with information is urged to contact police.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...ughter-missing


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    If each of us just printed up 10 posters - regardless of where we lived - near Pottsville or not - it could help spread the word out a little further ... doesnt matter what state in Australia you're in - no one knows where little Eeva and Greg may be ... they could be around the corner from you or travelling through your town ...

    Life will be back to normal after the Australia Day Weekend for some people tomorrow - but not for those missing Greg and Eeva. The reality is stark - they are still missing and need to be found.

    There are 3 differnt sizes to print - Get your posters from here to download: Posters

    and Grab your sticky tape!!
    Lets bring them home!

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    Police guard the crime scene in the dunes near Elfron St, Pottsville. Picture Glenn Hampson Source: News Limited

    A police press conference scheduled for 9.30am Qld time has been delayed as officers confirmed there were further developments.
    More to come.
    http://www.news.com.au/national/poli...-1226811951381
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    Crime scene declared over dad and daughter at beach
    http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/...17-da/2152469/

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    A reminder to all members.

    Please be respectful to both sides of the families involved.

    Discuss only what is known to us via media, police or our Verified Insiders.

    Sleuthing of family members is not allowed.

    Discussing facebook comments is not allowed. They are classed as rumour.



    Do not tell other members what they can or can't post. That is a moderators job.

    If you have a problem with a post please use the red alert button located top right corner of every post.


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    Australia - NSW - Eeva Dorendahl-Hutchings, 4, & Greg Hutchings, 35, 11 Jan 2014, #3

    Please continue here....

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    Thank you for the new thread, Marlywings!

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    For those new to the thread or just catching up...

    GH - Greg HUtchings: 35y.o Father of Eeva; former partner of Michelle Dorendahl
    MD - Michelle Dorendahl: Mother of Eeva Dorendahl & former partner of Greg Hutchings
    ED - Eeva Dorendahl: 4y.o Daughter of Michelle Dorendahl and Greg Hutchings
    EDH - Eeva Dorendahl-Hutchings (AKA): 4y.o Daughter of Michelle Dorendahl and Greg Hutchings

    DH - Diana Hutchings: Mother of Greg Hutchings, Grandmother of Eeva Dorendahl-Hutchings
    SH - Sheri Hutchings: Sister of Greg Hutchings, Aunty of Eeva Dorendahl-Hutchings
    MarD - Martin Dorendahl: Brother of Michelle Dorendahl; Uncle of Eeva Dorendahl-Hutchings

    Verified Insiders:
    Eeva'sGrandma
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    Pottsville: (Australia) Small coastal town in New South Wales.
    Hometown of Greg Hutchings and his mother.
    Town named where Eeva and Greg had gone missing from.
    Hastings: Coastal town north and next to Pottsville.
    Greg and Eevas bodies were found in the sand dunes at Hastings not far from Elfran Ave Pottsville.
    Tweed Coast Road: Main thoroughfare road joining coastal towns.
    Elfran Ave (AKA- Efran Road): Named Search Location - small road leading to the beach and sand dunes - borders Pottsville and Hastings.
    Ambrose Brown Park (AKA- James Ambrose Brown Park): Named Search Location - Meeting place specified for the handover of Eeva from Greg Hutchings to Michelle Dorendahl.
    Pottsville Road: Named Search Location & Named Last Sighting Location of Eeva and Greg (location was not specific) - Main road connecting Mooball town to Pottsville - turns into Coronation Drive in Pottsville.
    Coronation Drive: Road that leads to intersection near Ambrose Brown Park at Pottsville.
    Mooball Creek: Named Search Location - Water channel that connects to the Ocean at Ambrose Brown Park.
    Overall Drive: Named search location - Road that runs alongside Mooball Creek.
    Cabarita: Small Coastal Town of New South Wales; 7kms north of Pottsville
    White Jade Cafe: last former workplace of Greg Hutchings. The cafe that Michelle Doredahl rang Police to make a report. Located at 12 Coronation Ave, Pottsville Beach



    Kin Kin: Small town in Queensland State. 284kms north of Pottsville.
    Coffs Harbour: Coastal town in New South Wales; 269kms south of Pottsville. False sighting reported.
    Nambucca Heads: Coastal Town in New South Wales; 316kms south of Pottsville. False sighting Reported
    Blue Mountains: Inland mountain Range South of Pottsville
    Katoomba: Named Search Location - Inland town in the Blue Mountains area; Gregs former residential location; 877kms south of Pottsville
    Mullumbimby: Named Search Location - Inland Coastal Town of New South Wales; 32kms south of Pottsville
    Tweed Coast/Heads: Large Coastal Town with a Police Area Command; 32kms north of Pottsville
    Sunshine Coast: Queensland Coastal area 235kms north of Pottsville
    Rockhampton: Inland Coastal town of Queensland; 768kms north of Pottsville

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    Search Areas and Locations of Interest




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    Time Line for Saturday 11th January - The Day Greg and Eeva went Missing.

    Note: The information below is from MSM reports (msm reports in timeline can be found in a link at the bottom of the post) and from Verified Insider Posts.
    Police also reported to media:
    The pair were last seen on Pottsville Rd about 12.30pm on Saturday
    There are no details as to the exact location they were sighted - it has not been added to the timeline.
    A verified insider report said the pair left closer to the time of 12.50pm which has been included in the Timeline.
    post # 296 Thread 1

    The Map below is just a brief overview:




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    Thanks for the New 3rd Thread for this case.


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    QUOTE: Strangeworld, Thread 2, Page 41, Post #1020:
    "Do we know that she didn't attend any festivals? I just am not sure we can include that as a fact yet (unless I've missed it somewhere).
    And agree - the facts of the passport issue are still unknown.
    We have heard from Greg's side of the family, and that paints a troubling picture about the passport. But there may be more we don't yet from Michelle's side."

    QUOTE: Strangeworld, Thread 2, Page 41, Post #1021:
    "I agree, Ella. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but these little red flags pop up and I can't help but wonder what all the facts are.
    I wish we knew more about how Eeva was able to leave the country. And the simple fact that the no fly order was in place tells me the
    courts were concerned, for whatever reason.
    Playing devil's advocate, why would the courts issue this if they didn't think there was a concern for either her safety whilst travelling
    (like the type of accommodation, festivals, other risks), the risk of her not coming home (absconding/child abduction, passport concerns),
    or a risk with the mother herself (don't know what that would be)."

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    Info about Finland Nationality Passport law's have been posted earlier (Thread 1 & Thread 2).


    MOO based on info gained from WS-forum, the Finnish Embassy in Australia website, and Internet about Law's in Finland
    - the Passport 'issue' should never had been an issue at all... Not sure why and by whom it was highlighted to look like an 'issue'...
    It's pretty clear:
    Eeva was a Finnish Citizen from birth, therefore automatically entitled to get a Finnish passport at any time.



    "If the mother is a citizen of Finland, the child will automatically
    be a citizen of Finland regardless of the country of birth."
    Link:http://www.migri.fi/finnish_citizens...er/born_abroad


    "A child acquires jus sanguinis Finnish citizenship at birth if:
    the child's mother is a Finnish citizen;
    the child's father is a Finnish citizen and the parents are married;
    the child's father is a Finnish citizen, the child is born out of wedlock, and paternity has been established;
    the child's father who died before the child was born was a Finnish citizen and who was married to the child's mother at the time of his death; or
    the child's father, who died before the birth of the child, was a Finnish citizen and the child was born in Finland out of wedlock and the father's paternity was established.
    Link: Finnish nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    "Underage children must have their own passport and, irrespective of age, be present together with the guardian
    when the passport application is made. If the child is not accompanied by both guardians when the passport application
    is made, a dated and signed letter of consent from the absent guardian must be presented."
    Link: http://www.finland.org.au/public/def...&culture=en-US


    "Birth. To register a child born in Australia (to Finnish parents/ Finnish parent) to the population registry in Finland,
    please fill out the "birth registration" form. You can find the form on our website under Citizenship.
    In order to register the birth to the Finnish population system, you need to send the following documents to the Embassy of Finland in Canberra:
    the "birth registration" form filled out
    the original birth certificate with Apostille -stamp
    certified photocopies of the passports of the mother and the father
    If you would like the Embassy to return the original certificate, please enclose also a paid, self-addressed envelope."
    Link: http://www.finland.org.au/public/def...re=en-US#Birth
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    [quote: Strangeworld], Thread 2, Page 41, Post #1020:
    "Do we know that she didn't attend any festivals? I just am not sure we can include that as a fact yet (unless I've missed it somewhere).
    And agree - the facts of the passport issue are still unknown.
    We have heard from Greg's side of the family, and that paints a troubling picture about the passport. But there may be more we don't yet from Michelle's side."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Gadget
    Info about Finland Nationality Passport law's have been posted earlier (Thread 1 & Thread 2).


    MOO based on info gained from WS-forum, the Finnish Embassy in Australia website, and Internet about Law's in Finland
    - the Passport 'issue' should never had been an issue at all... Not sure why and by whom it was highlighted to look like an 'issue'...
    It's pretty clear:
    Eeva was a Finnish Citizen from birth, therefore automatically entitled to get a Finnish passport at any time.



    "If the mother is a citizen of Finland, the child will automatically
    be a citizen of Finland regardless of the country of birth."
    Link:http://www.migri.fi/finnish_citizens...er/born_abroad


    "A child acquires jus sanguinis Finnish citizenship at birth if:
    the child's mother is a Finnish citizen;
    the child's father is a Finnish citizen and the parents are married;
    the child's father is a Finnish citizen, the child is born out of wedlock, and paternity has been established;
    the child's father who died before the child was born was a Finnish citizen and who was married to the child's mother at the time of his death; or
    the child's father, who died before the birth of the child, was a Finnish citizen and the child was born in Finland out of wedlock and the father's paternity was established.
    Link: Finnish nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    "Underage children must have their own passport and, irrespective of age, be present together with the guardian
    when the passport application is made. If the child is not accompanied by both guardians when the passport application
    is made, a dated and signed letter of consent from the absent guardian must be presented."

    Link: http://www.finland.org.au/public/def...&culture=en-US
    BBM. Maybe the "issue" talked about in the thread and referred to by Strangeworld was the issue on whether or not Greg agreed to it and had a dated and signed letter oferred on his behalf by MD? DH has said this never ocurred to her or Greg's knowledge so such a letter may have been forged? I actually didn't follow up on the passport requirements, and I thought perhaps the father guardian wasn't required in the application. But from your post and links above, it seems so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.l.l.a View Post
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    [quote: Strangeworld], Thread 2, Page 41, Post #1020:
    "Do we know that she didn't attend any festivals? I just am not sure we can include that as a fact yet (unless I've missed it somewhere).
    And agree - the facts of the passport issue are still unknown.
    We have heard from Greg's side of the family, and that paints a troubling picture about the passport. But there may be more we don't yet from Michelle's side."

    -----------------------------------

    BBM. Maybe the "issue" talked about in the thread and referred to by Strangeworld was the issue on whether or not Greg agreed to it and had a dated and signed letter oferred on his behalf by MD? DH has said this never ocurred to her or Greg's knowledge so such a letter may have been forged? I actually didn't follow up on the passport requirements, and I thought perhaps the father guardian wasn't required in the application. But from your post and links above, it seems so?
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    More info!

    Issuing a passport to a minor and consent information from Police Finland website:

    "Children also require their own passport. EU legislation requires that children must hold their own passport for travel,
    even if they were previously included in an old, 10-year passport issued to their parent/guardian.
    Children under 12 years of age are not fingerprinted for the passport."
    "Minors are issued a passport only with the consent of their parents/guardians.
    Consent must be given by each parent/guardian and it must be given in writing if the parent/guardian cannot be present
    when applying for the passport. "
    "Issuing a passport to a minor may also be possible in a situation where the parent/custodian denies consent.
    In such a case, not issuing a passport must be against the best interests of the child and it must be clear that the
    child will be taken abroad against the parent's/guardian's wishes only on a temporary basis.
    The authority issuing the passport must, in any case, determine what the best interests of the child are.
    The child must be present in person when submitting the passport application. "

    Link: http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.n...8?opendocument

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insp.Gadget View Post

    More info!

    Issuing a passport to a minor and consent information from Police Finland website:

    "Children also require their own passport. EU legislation requires that children must hold their own passport for travel,
    even if they were previously included in an old, 10-year passport issued to their parent/guardian.
    Children under 12 years of age are not fingerprinted for the passport."
    "Minors are issued a passport only with the consent of their parents/guardians.
    Consent must be given by each parent/guardian and it must be given in writing if the parent/guardian cannot be present
    when applying for the passport. "
    "Issuing a passport to a minor may also be possible in a situation where the parent/custodian denies consent.
    In such a case, not issuing a passport must be against the best interests of the child and it must be clear that the
    child will be taken abroad against the parent's/guardian's wishes only on a temporary basis.
    The authority issuing the passport must, in any case, determine what the best interests of the child are.
    The child must be present in person when submitting the passport application. "

    Link: http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.n...8?opendocument
    Wow that's interesting indeed. I wonder if Finland being a Hague Convention country, would consult with Australia on the "best interests of the child"? Very interesting.

    The other issue with the Finnish passport was info from verified insiders that MD repeatedly denied the existence of the passport, when asked by GH, despite GH having verified, via the Finnish embassy/Passport authority, that one was in existence. A few ws members, myself included, are unsure why MD would "lie" about this/not acknowledge? For what reason or purpose? It just seems concerning.

    Again, only having limited MSM and WS verified insider info, makes it difficult to find answers to these questions. Definitely frustrating. Although I'm still grateful to have what information we do have.

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    I was going to reply to a post from bearbear, but I cant find it now, but just adding...
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    This case has been classified as a Murder Investigation.
    There are over 50 references to it being a Murder investigation in msm and Police Reports inclusively.
    Police are not ruling out murder/suicide - but it is not the classification of the Investigation; Murder is.

    There are suspicious circumstances to lead them to the Murder classification, and no Cause of Death has been found as yet.

    So presently, there are two mothers grieving the loss of their child.
    Police are investigating both Eeva and Greg as victims of murder at this stage.
    There are still many unanswered questions.


    I am interested in what the Police procedures where at the location of where Eeva and Greg were found.
    I am also interested as to why the bodies seem to be reported as so badly decomposed after 2 weeks.

    I hope they took samples from the immediate terrain, such as soil, sand, tree/bark/leaf/rocks.
    When bodies decompose they leave a time mark in these spots. Elements of the decomposition in progress are apparent sequentially - but relevant to the terrain they were found in.
    If the bodies were placed there after their death, certain elements of the process of decomposition will be missing in the samples collected.
    Considering they were found on a sand based terrain, and in dry weather (albeit hot) there would be a different decomposition tale than say if they were found in wooded area on dirt in winter.
    Terrain samples may have traces of initial body releasing fluids as rigor mortis sets in, and maybe found under the body and still in the soil.


    There are also lividity and blanching marks to consider, and if they were something that made Police suspect murder..
    Though these may have changed and be hard to determine in advanced decomposition.
    If the bodies died where they were found the imprint of pressure marks formed from the pressure where they lay and the pooling of blood form certain patterns on the body exactly representing the area they lay on and in found replicated exactly in the body tissue. Patterns on the body form up to 12 hours after death. If the body is touched, or moved, an impression will form showing this. Marks from any materials - even a fold line, will be represented. Certain types of deaths (like cyanide poisoning) give lividity marks a different colour.

    The eyes also tell a story after death, and can indicate if drugs were in the body.
    Also lungs and intestines (food in the small and large intestines - and if the person vomited before death and if the vomit was found in the immediate area of the body).

    so I was speculating...
    That the suspicious circumstances that the Police are basing the case of a murder investigation on may be related to more than just not having any weapons or implements at the scene as reported in msm - or other external factors.
    The bodies could have 'looked wrong' in the location they were found.
    They may have been 'too' decomposed for the terrain and elements - they may have seem to have been moved - the area may have been disturbed - or eith one or both the bodies had lividity marks which dont correlate with bodies final resting place - items they had with them maybe missing - the terrain samples and body autopsy may not align - The decomposition of the bodies maybe at a different rate.


    Two weeks and two bodies described as being badly decomposed in that time - I am wondering if the bodies were stored somewhere else in different conditions not mirroring the area they were found, and this is a factor in the advanced decomposition - and then the bodies moved to be positioned under the tree.
    The fact that they were not discovered for 2 weeks and were close to public access movement as well as other factors (smell, sound, dogs, birds) makes me think possibly that Greg and Eeva weren't there the entire time.


    These are just some thoughts based on the Police calling the Investigation a Murder - and they are just my opinion.

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