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    Stephen Singular photography theory

    In PMPT there is a bit where Singular throws up the idea that JB was taken for a photography session on Christmas night, with the knowledge probably of only one of the Rams.

    She was taken for photos; but she was brought back to the house as a corpse.

    I suppose this relates to Randy Simons, but not necessarily... the photographer could have been anyone (Santa?)

    So my question is, could someone elaborate on such a theory (i.e. the broad idea that JB had a night-time photo shoot scheduled, but was dropped home dead?)

    For some reason, parts of this "theory-skeleton" ring a bell with me. It certainly explains the (***reported!!! PMPT is reportedly untrustworthy) statement of Patsy to the effect of "we didn't mean for THIS to happen" (and J's (****reported!!!!!!**) "i'm so sorry" lines.

    That may be all it explains though Does anyone subscribe to such a "photoshoot gone wrong" theory?

    And what would have been the motivation for the Rams to cover it up? Why wouldn't they have tackled the bloke who did it and called the cops?

    EDIT - I was just reading that Singluar interview with the Australian guy (who incidentally seems biased don't you think against a RDI possibility?)

    Anyway Singular answered some of the questions like this:

    "Q: In February this year, a Californian woman came forward and, through her counselor, advised the Boulder police that she had previously been molested at the hands of a pedophile ring that she thought was also responsible for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. How significant was her evidence and do you think Alex Hunter and the BPD treated it seriously?

    [.......] For the Ramseys, or one Ramsey, there appeared to be a worse scenario than having both Patsy and their young son Burke being publicly accused, for the past three years, of killing JonBenet. That scenario had to do with making their daughter the victim of a child sex ring in Boulder. Why was this more threatening than having your family members accused of the most terrible thing a person can do?

    Q: Can you suggest any scenarios that would explain why they would want to cover something like that up and allow themselves to be implicated in their daughters murder in the process?

    Both parents, as I've suggested, are not involved in the same things, so the cover-up then becomes broader than merely hiding things from the police. And once certain actions were taken on the night of the murder, taken in a moment of absolute panic, they could not be undone. Also, the Ramseys have never been legally implicated in the murder of their daughter. They've only been accused of this by the media and others. So the plan, at least to date, has worked. They are not in jail and not likely to be charged with the crime soon. It is better, isn't it, to be thought a bad person by much of the world, than to face the worst accusations from the people closest to you? So silence prevails."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuruJosh
    In PMPT there is a bit where Singular throws up the idea that JB was taken for a photography session on Christmas night, with the knowledge probably of only one of the Rams.

    She was taken for photos; but she was brought back to the house as a corpse.

    For some reason, parts of this "theory-skeleton" ring a bell with me. It certainly explains the (***reported!!! PMPT is reportedly untrustworthy) statement of Patsy to the effect of "we didn't mean for THIS to happen" (and J's (****reported!!!!!!**) "i'm so sorry" lines.

    That may be all it explains though Does anyone subscribe to such a "photoshoot gone wrong" theory?
    I have never heard of this before. It does sound interesting. But why drop her off home if she was dead?
    Quote Originally Posted by GuruJosh
    And what would have been the motivation for the Rams to cover it up? Why wouldn't they have tackled the bloke who did it and called the cops?
    I have posted my ideas on this all over the place and so has BlueCrab
    Quote Originally Posted by GuruJosh
    EDIT - I was just reading that Singluar interview with the Australian guy (who incidentally seems biased don't you think against a RDI possibility?)
    Who is Singular and who is the Australian guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuruJosh
    EDIT - I was just reading that Singluar interview with the Australian guy (who incidentally seems biased don't you think against a RDI possibility?)

    Anyway Singular answered some of the questions like this:

    "Q: In February this year, a Californian woman came forward and, through her counselor, advised the Boulder police that she had previously been molested at the hands of a pedophile ring that she thought was also responsible for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. How significant was her evidence and do you think Alex Hunter and the BPD treated it seriously?
    This is VERY interesting to me. I have always thought that JonBenet was being molested all those years that she was wetting the bed and going to Dr Beuf and getting vaginal exams, and that her death that night was the culmination of that molestation when an exceptionally sadistic and violent paedophile joined the ring.

    If this woman's claims prove to be genuine it would tend to support my theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiesheila

    I have posted my ideas on this all over the place and so has BlueCrab
    right, i mean i understand certain coverup motivations, especially if Burke was involved. What I mean is more along the lines of what Singular asks:

    "Why was this more threatening than having your family members accused of the most terrible thing a person can do?"

    i.e. why did John allow Patsy and Burke to be targeted by tabloid media, if indeed the killing was a result of a photoshoot-gone-wrong?

    Which of the Rams would have had links to such a ring of "photographers"? What would be the motivation of the other one to participate in a coverup?

    I am not saying i believe this theory! I am just interested in talking about it.

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    There was no photoshoot because the timeline for such an event doesn't exist.

    JonBenet ate pineapple about one hour before she died. She ate the pineapple at the breakfast room table, with Burke, in the Ramsey house after the parents went to bed. The stungunning, the sexual assault, the tying up, the strangulation, and the bash in the head, all took place after eating the pineapple.

    BlueCrab

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    There was no photoshoot because the timeline for such an event doesn't exist.

    JonBenet ate pineapple about one hour before she died. She ate the pineapple at the breakfast room table, with Burke, in the Ramsey house after the parents went to bed. The stungunning, the sexual assault, the tying up, the strangulation, and the bash in the head, all took place after eating the pineapple.

    BlueCrab
    The fact that Patsy Ramsey was wearing the same exact outfit she had on the night before on the morning of the 26th makes it quite obvious that the woman never even went to bed that night but was up all night staging the crime scene for one of the 3 Ramseys in the house.
    This was a mulit-millionaire beauty queen who prided herself on her appearance and said she never even left the house without make-up.
    No way she threw on dirty old smelly clothes from the party the night before.
    No way.
    She had everything else packed and organized for their trip - you really think she is not going to have her outfit laid out that she plans to wear in the morning?
    She never went to bed that night.
    This post is my opinion.

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    What was it about the White's party that would get her clothes "dirty"and "smelly" in just a few hours? How often during each day do you change your clothes?

    As has been said before - I want to know what brand of make-up she was wearing that stays fresh for 12+ hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipper
    What was it about the White's party that would get her clothes "dirty"and "smelly" in just a few hours? How often during each day do you change your clothes?

    As has been said before - I want to know what brand of make-up she was wearing that stays fresh for 12+ hours.
    Someone who cares enough about their appearance to put on makeup at 5:30 in the morning BEFORE making a pot of coffee or waking up the kids, would not wear the same outfit as the day before, regardless of whether it was dirty or smelly.

    But to answer your question, eating crab at the whites might make your clothes smelly? Just ask yourself, if you went to a xmas dinner for a few hours, would you put the same clothes on the next morning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
    Someone who cares enough about their appearance to put on makeup at 5:30 in the morning BEFORE making a pot of coffee or waking up the kids, would not wear the same outfit as the day before, regardless of whether it was dirty or smelly.

    But to answer your question, eating crab at the whites might make your clothes smelly? Just ask yourself, if you went to a xmas dinner for a few hours, would you put the same clothes on the next morning?
    What about the fact that Patsy colored her hair Christmas Day? Wouldn't she need to wash it the next day so as to make sure the smell of the color would go away?

    Wouldn't the police and friends still be able to get a whiff of the hair coloring ingrediants?
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98

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    Been a while since you colored your hair Toltec?


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    Quote Originally Posted by tipper
    What was it about the White's party that would get her clothes "dirty"and "smelly" in just a few hours? How often during each day do you change your clothes?

    As has been said before - I want to know what brand of make-up she was wearing that stays fresh for 12+ hours.
    Your reply Tipper is a perfect example of how UN-objective the Rams are innocent people are.
    You cannot be serious to at least admit that it is odd that a multi-millionare beauty queen woman like Patsy who was always dressed to the nines and had more clothes than she could probably even remember - would get up the morning after having attended a PARTY and put on the same clothes??
    When she was wanting to make a "good impression" that day?
    In her own words Patsy says of that morning:
    "I remember my mother's words. "Never leave the house without your makeup. " Plus we are going to be with Melinda's fiance, Stewart, so I want to make a good impression."
    Yeah - by wearing old clothes from the night before?
    This post is my opinion.

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    You may be right although I wouldn't characterize calling an outfit (that had been worn for maybe 5 hours at a dinner party ) "dirty old smelly clothes" as an "objective" statement.

    This was a woman about whom ST uses the word "slovenly" when he describes how LHP characterized her. That she cared what the public rooms looked like but didn't bother with the dust and debris that would only be seen by family. Melinda et al hadn't seen her in the outfit from the night before. It was a new outfit to them. It sounds like something good for travel (velvet jeans, sweater, jacket). I see no problem with wearing it again having only worn it briefly the day before. I probably would have done the same and I also seldom leave the house without makeup on AND I have a closet jam-packed with nice clothes to choose from.

    As someone said earlier this week - we make judgements based on our own experiences. Obviously yours are different from mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipper
    You may be right although I wouldn't characterize calling an outfit (that had been worn for maybe 5 hours at a dinner party ) "dirty old smelly clothes" as an "objective" statement.

    This was a woman about whom ST uses the word "slovenly" when he describes how LHP characterized her. That she cared what the public rooms looked like but didn't bother with the dust and debris that would only be seen by family. Melinda et al hadn't seen her in the outfit from the night before. It was a new outfit to them. It sounds like something good for travel (velvet jeans, sweater, jacket). I see no problem with wearing it again having only worn it briefly the day before. I probably would have done the same and I also seldom leave the house without makeup on AND I have a closet jam-packed with nice clothes to choose from.

    As someone said earlier this week - we make judgements based on our own experiences. Obviously yours are different from mine.

    Well said and I agree. I would also wear the same clothes again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
    Someone who cares enough about their appearance to put on makeup at 5:30 in the morning BEFORE making a pot of coffee or waking up the kids, would not wear the same outfit as the day before, regardless of whether it was dirty or smelly.

    But to answer your question, eating crab at the whites might make your clothes smelly? Just ask yourself, if you went to a xmas dinner for a few hours, would you put the same clothes on the next morning?

    VoR,

    You hit the jackpot with that crab comment. The Ramseys had cracked crab at the Whites that evening. Take it from a person who was raised on the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland -- crab country -- crab meat is delicious, but the smell of crab shells and crab innards is abominal, even King Crab legs. After eating crabs it takes two days of scrubbing with lemon juice just to get the odor out of your hands. And the crab smell permeates clothing. There's no way Patsy could have gotten on that crouded little airplane the next day while reeking of crab. Whew!

    BlueCrab

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    VoR,

    You hit the jackpot with that crab comment. The Ramseys had cracked crab at the Whites that evening. Take it from a person who was raised on the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland -- crab country -- crab meat is delicious, but the smell of crab shells and crab innards is abominal, even King Crab legs. After eating crabs it takes two days of scrubbing with lemon juice just to get the odor out of your hands. And the crab smell permeates clothing. There's no way Patsy could have gotten on that crouded little airplane the next day while reeking of crab. Whew!

    BlueCrab
    I have read that here before. But this is the only place Iíve heard it. Of course it isnít something that comes up in conversation very often.

    Though I rarely have crab-legs when I do Iíve never noticed any particular smell. Iím on the far side of middle-age and only heard about this in the past couple of years. Perhaps Patsy had never heard of it too. I donít recall anyone that morning saying she reeked of crab.

    Perhaps I'll get some crab-legs this weekend and see what I can smell. My daughter in law has a good nose.

    I did find this:
    http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC3482.htm

    Crabs, Lobsters and Crayfish: Live crabs, lobsters, spiny lobsters and crayfish move their legs. The "tail" of a live lobster curls under the body and does not hang down when you pick it up. Frozen spiny or rock lobster tails have clear white meat, no odor and are hard-frozen. Cooked crabs, lobsters and crayfish have bright orange to red shells and are free of any disagreeable odor.


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