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    TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #2

    I just saw this photo on Namus. This person committed suicide but has lived under an assumed identity. Found on Dec 24th, 2010.

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9863



    This case is being investigated by the Social Security Administration Office of the Inspector General. The decedent committed suicide in 2010, and it was subsequently learned that she had been living under an assumed identity. Her true identity is unknown. The image in NamUs is an actual photograph of the decedent taken in 1990.

    Brown hair, hazel eyes,
    Estimated age Adult - Pre 50
    Minimum age 41 years
    Maximum age 50 years
    Race White
    Ethnicity
    Sex Female
    Weight (pounds) 160, Estimated
    Height (inches) 70, Estimated

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    Thanks Salem!

    Other images on NamUS


    Abbreviations commonly used:
    FLEK (False Lori Erica Kennedy)
    LEK (Lori Erica Kennedy)
    BST (Becky Sue Turner)
    LR (Lori Ruff)
    JD (Jane Doe)


    Here is the timeline we have so far, including media links.

    Lori Erica Kennedy/Lori Ruff/Becky Sue Turner Facts and Timeline
    Main sources: Seattle Times http://seattletimes.com/html/localpa...nejanedoe.html and http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...anedoexml.html, Fox News article http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/26...#ixzz2XO3tUz2T


    Please be aware that what I type is my opinion.

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    Misc. facts and info.

    Miscellaneous facts about FLEK/Jane Doe and general information on the case:
    • She claimed she was 18 in 1988. She probably was older than that — in her mid-twenties, perhaps (Seattle Times)
    • Told doctors in 2005 that she was 35 – investigators this she was “much older than that … born sometime between 1960 and 1968.” (Fox News)
    • She was tall, about 5'10"
    • She did not speak with any discernible accent.
    • She was in Boise at some point in 1988
    • She had a PO box in Boulder City, Nevada in the late 1980s
    • She had very long hands, and said she had been a hand model
    • She may have had a nose job at some point
    • She had breast implants
    • She was very religious
    • She was a vegetarian
    • She may have had ADHD, OCD, or Tourette's Syndrome
    • She said she loved Cuban food
    • Claimed to have suffered from bulimia
    • Was a dancer at a Dallas-area nightclub when she was attending college (Fox News)
    • Had a miscarriage when trying to conceive a baby with husband
    • Had student loans, filed for bankruptcy (1990’s)
    • Investigators believe she came from the Pacific Northwest or West Coast.
    • Had one of the genes associated with coronary artery disease, per DNA tests
    • Was an unusually private person
    • Was aggressive about telling people it was “none of your business” when asked about her past.
    • Claimed she was the only child of a failed stockbroker and his wife, who both died.
    • Boyfriend from 1990’s said she had “more problems than he could deal with.”
    • Was extremely protective of her baby
    • Widely speculated in the WS community that she might have Marfan syndrome. Correlates with genetic marker for heart disease, height, large hand size and mental health issues.
    • They did check her computer (it was asked during the live chat). Velling, the SSA investigator said: "We were given the computers by the family and we did an extensive search of the hard drives with no evidence found to her previous life." http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/...-in-live-chat/
    • “There was no autopsy done at the time of death because the cause of death was a gun shot to the head. We were able to get DNA because the mortuary provided some hair and skin samples. No dental records were run.” http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/...-in-live-chat/

    Locations and Addresses:
    (Becky Sue was born in Bakersfield, California in 1969, Died in house fire in Fife, Washington in 1971, was living in Tacoma, Washington at time of death, buried in Puyallup, Washington.)

    Late 1980’s, Had a PO Box in Boulder City, Nevada

    June 1988, Idaho ID card, address listed as 7101 El Caballa, Boise, Idaho 83704, the correct spelling for the address is El Caballo Dr.

    July 1988, Application for Lori Kennedy Social Security number. 6102 Mockingbird #191, Dallas, Texas 75214

    March 1990, Passport application - 6266 Melody Lane Apt 3079, Dallas, Texas 75231 (Same address used on GED test)

    1996/1997 Application for Federal Student Aid: PO Box 810, Euless, TX 76039 817-355-0747

    Before 2003, Texas Driver’s License expiration date 7/18/07, 2436 Harwood Rd, 387, Bedford, TX 76021

    2003? Resume - 1978 Oak Creek Lane #16, Bedford, Texas 76022, Home: 817-685-8401, Cell: 817-715-8578, email csengineer2002@yahoo.com

    According to her resume she worked in Arlington (2002/2003), Irving (2000-2002), Dallas (1999-2000), Colleyville (1998), Grand Prairie (1998), and Fort Worth (1992-1998), Texas

    Claimed she was from Scottsdale, AZ per obituary http://www.tributes.com/show/Lori-Erica-Ruff-90422740 and http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/new...43#fbLoggedOut


    Found on Ancestry.com the following addresses for Lori E. Kennedy with DOB 7/18/69:

    3146 Hudnall St., Dallas, Texas 75235
    14400 Statler Blvd, Fort Worth, Tx 76155
    2436 Harwood Rd. Apt. 387, Bedford, Texas 76021

    This one comes back as a business when googled:
    Lori E. Kennedy (DOB July 1969) 1111 W. Airport #147, Irving, Texas 75062 (phone number 355-0747)

    then it lists:
    200 Bear Creek Dr. Apt. 219, Euless, TX 76039 (1995)
    P.O. Box 543344 #219, Dallas, TX 75354
    3901 Oakridge Ct. Apt. 3815, Fort Worth, TX 76155 (1993)
    P.O. Box 810, Euless, Texas 76039 (1995)


    Main sources: Seattle Times http://seattletimes.com/html/localpa...nejanedoe.html and http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...anedoexml.html, Fox News article http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/26...#ixzz2XO3tUz2T
    Please be aware that what I type is my opinion.

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    List of possible matches that have been discussed here. Grouped in terms of status, Ruled out by NamUs, Submitted, To Be Submitted, Mentioned, and Ruled Out by WS Members.

    Using the NamUs format of first name, last name, birth year and state last known alive.


    Ruled-out on Namus:

    Clara Giusti 1962 Washington
    Michelle Giusti 1961 Washington
    Parley Pate 1959 North Carolina
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9863

    Submitted:
    Sheri Lynn Johnson 1970 Missouri http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...son_sheri.html
    Rose Lena Cole 1956 California http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cole_rose.html and http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2368dfca.html
    Kim Mallon 1960 California https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/4628 http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mallon_kim.html and here on WS CA CA - Kim Mallon, 13, Los Angeles, 30 Sept 1973 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


    To be Submitted:

    Jennifer Wictor 1967 Arizona https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/4925/29 http://doenetwork.org/cases/2994dfaz.html
    Cynthia Lorraine Perry 1968 North Carolina http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...y_cynthia.html
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/show/8281

    Hot current theory:

    Relations to LeBarons/Chenoweths families

    Other possible matches mentioned here:

    Melissa Sue Highsmith 1969 Texas http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...h_melissa.html
    Cheryl Schille Wyant 1964 California http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1787dfwa.html
    Stacey Lee Lynch 1961 Calfornia http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lynch_stacey.html and http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1080dfca.html Comments: height fits
    Lori Lee Berens 1964 Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada http://doenetwork.org/cases/349dfmb.html and http://www.nampn.org/cases/berens_lori.html
    Susan Renee Smally 1969 Texas http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ley_susan.html
    Judy Ann Gary 1966 Louisiana http://doenetwork.org/cases/1537dfla.html and http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=170
    Julie A Guthrie 1971 New York http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rie_julie.html
    Mary L Day 1968 California http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/day_mary.html
    Debra Jean Cole 1969 Indiana http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cole_debra.html seems to be listed as deceased http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=13698527
    Suzanne M Schultz 1961 Wisconsin http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...z_suzanne.html
    Martha Leanne Green 1970 Tennessee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/green_martha.html http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US
    Robin Marlow 1954 Florida http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/marlow_robin.html and https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11352/0/
    Kelly Bergh Dove 1961 Virginia http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dove_kelly.html (reported height is way off)
    Donna Mae Jokumsen Arizona http://www.missingin.org/reg1345/donna_mae_jokumsen.htm Had shoulder tattoo that might rule her out.
    Judith Ann Ellwell 1962 Oklahoma http://charleyproject.org/cases/e/elwell_judith.html
    Leslie Anne Martin Porter 1959 California http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...er_leslie.html https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3019 (not tall enough)
    Michelle Leone Duncan 1966 California http://doenetwork.org/cases/861dfca.html https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/5440
    Melinda Karen Creech 1965 Indiana http://doenetwork.org/cases/1297dfin.html http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...h_melinda.html (hair color off)
    Christie Lynn Farni 1972 Oregon http://doenetwork.org/cases/706dfor.html Rule out on speech impediment? Though back story might fit.

    Discussed and ruled out:
    The story of the potential abduction http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/66uffl.html
    Status: Timeline is off. LEK had already established a new identity in 1988, so why would she have been in danger in 1989? LEK was establishing her life in Texas by that time. Remarkable likeness, but not her.

    Anne Fahey https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8229 last seen in 1996. Timeline does not fit with FLEK

    Gayla Barnes 1956 Colorado https://www.colorado.gov/apps/coldca...l.html?id=2201 and https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7170/4/ Status: Timeline is off, Gayla was last seen in 1990 when FLEK was already established in Texas.

    Lisa Dickinson 1967 California http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/802dfca.html (Foul play is suspected) Wrong eye color, hair color (blue/blonde) listed as blonde hair, but she was 9 years old when she went missing, often hair darkens as people age. The bridge of the nose is wider (however, her age and also the possible nose job would fix that), the distance between her eyes is wider. She also has the nasolabial folds that Lori Ruff does NOT have. Lori Ruff was pretty wide in the mouth/nose area, leading to nothing in the way of nasolabial folds that some people have. She actually has a unique shape to her face and mouth in some ways. http://www.walnut-creek.org/citygov/...kidnapping.asp

    Sherry Lynn Marler 1971 Alabama http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...er_sherry.html http://doenetwork.org/cases/215dfal.html
    Timing is off, she was 12when she dissappeared from south AL in 1984. The age is off, unlikely that a 16 yr old from AL would have the smarts to make it to the Pacific NW and change her identity.

    Alice Pereira 1967 New York http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/134dfny.html Unlikely, since she was last seen with a known child murderer, Andre Rand, who is currently serving time.

    Shelly Anne Bacsu 1967 Alberta, Canada http://doenetwork.org/cases/28dfab.html Had hearing impairment and rheumatoid arthritis.

    Nancy Debra Willis, 1961, Tennessee http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/willis_nancy.html https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12567/0/ Looks considerably different than LEK, has much fuller lips. It seems unlikely that's her. Also had leg fractured in about 8 places, so would have scars/a limp that LEK did not have. Husband was charged in other murders, and he is considered a suspect in this case.

    Cindy Irene King, 1961, Oregon, http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/king_cindy.html http://doenetwork.org/cases/1640dfor.html Reported height is off, teeth, tattoo.
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    Please be aware that what I type is my opinion.

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    TX - "Lori Ruff", Longview, WhtFem (UP 9863), *General Discussion and Theories* #2

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    carry-over from last convo

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Owutatangledweb View Post
    I'm aware of who you are referring to, but I've never noticed that part of the story. Do you have a reference for this?

    http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/index.html?id=1212890

    direct quote from above reference:
    "Shortly after he became a fugitive, Floyd developed a relationship with Linda Williams. When they met, Linda Williams had a daughter named Sharon. In 1974, Floyd took Sharon with him after Linda Williams refused to marry him. During Sharon's childhood, Floyd and Sharon lived together as father and daughter in several states. "

    I found the "Linda" reference I had found in an appeal document. I read it on the boards under the Sharon Marshall thread also but don't remember who said it or their source, but its 5 whole threads long and really...well, someone who was involved with the threads could find it faster.
    Floyd had tight ties to Chicago, his mother lived and died there and is buried there.
    Of course, he is a pathological liar, who knows how he really got her, however it is very interesting and maybe worth looking into.
    I know there was a theory of a baby snatching ring in the Midwest floating around...but I have not seen any evidence to support or debunk it.

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    Curious, in this article it notes she liked to dress up and go out for tea…That is rather unique in the USA, IMOO. Unless she picked that up from traveling overseas…But, that could also be a suggestion she came from another country.


    http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...anedoexml.html


    Something that intrigues me, is perhaps the complete and total timeline of her disappearance/transition to BST is off. We are saying she was established with her new identity in 1988, but I wonder if there is a chance she was going back-and-forth between "lives" for a little while. Even having a PO BOX in NV or getting the Idaho ID, could have been things she was doing on the side in her "regular life". There was a very rapid getting the BST ID, then name change to LEK that happened. She had to have funds and a means to pull it off so quickly (unless she was in witness protection). I noted several woman missing in the early 1990's that could be her. She also took quiet a bit of time obtaining her degree, IMOO. Was she leading two lives for awhile?

    Cathy Ford case is interesting…

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20460/116

    http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Cathy_Ford

    Sabrina Long

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/530/143

    Paula Godfrey

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13084/86

    I do wonder if she came from another country? It would be interesting to locate people who new her when she was newly LEK. I notice her writing style, signature, etc evolved over time.

    She sure does look like to Tara Calico. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    Miscellaneous facts about FLEK/Jane Doe and general information on the case:
    • She claimed she was 18 in 1988. She probably was older than that — in her mid-twenties, perhaps (Seattle Times)
    • Told doctors in 2005 that she was 35 – investigators this she was “much older than that … born sometime between 1960 and 1968.” (Fox News)
    • She was tall, about 5'10"
    • She did not speak with any discernible accent.
    • She was in Boise at some point in 1988
    • She had a PO box in Boulder City, Nevada in the late 1980s
    • She had very long hands, and said she had been a hand model
    • She may have had a nose job at some point
    • She had breast implants
    • She was very religious
    • She was a vegetarian
    • She may have had ADHD, OCD, or Tourette's Syndrome
    • She said she loved Cuban food
    • Claimed to have suffered from bulimia
    • Was a dancer at a Dallas-area nightclub when she was attending college (Fox News)
    • Had a miscarriage when trying to conceive a baby with husband
    • Had student loans, filed for bankruptcy (1990’s)
    • Investigators believe she came from the Pacific Northwest or West Coast.
    • Had one of the genes associated with coronary artery disease, per DNA tests
    • Was an unusually private person
    • Was aggressive about telling people it was “none of your business” when asked about her past.
    • Claimed she was the only child of a failed stockbroker and his wife, who both died.
    • Boyfriend from 1990’s said she had “more problems than he could deal with.”
    • Was extremely protective of her baby
    • Widely speculated in the WS community that she might have Marfan syndrome. Correlates with genetic marker for heart disease, height, large hand size and mental health issues.
    • They did check her computer (it was asked during the live chat). Velling, the SSA investigator said: "We were given the computers by the family and we did an extensive search of the hard drives with no evidence found to her previous life." http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/...-in-live-chat/
    • “There was no autopsy done at the time of death because the cause of death was a gun shot to the head. We were able to get DNA because the mortuary provided some hair and skin samples. No dental records were run.” http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/...-in-live-chat/

    Locations and Addresses:
    (Becky Sue was born in Bakersfield, California in 1969, Died in house fire in Fife, Washington in 1971, was living in Tacoma, Washington at time of death, buried in Puyallup, Washington.)

    Late 1980’s, Had a PO Box in Boulder City, Nevada

    June 1988, Idaho ID card, address listed as 7101 El Caballa, Boise, Idaho 83704, the correct spelling for the address is El Caballo Dr.

    July 1988, Application for Lori Kennedy Social Security number. 6102 Mockingbird #191, Dallas, Texas 75214

    March 1990, Passport application - 6266 Melody Lane Apt 3079, Dallas, Texas 75231 (Same address used on GED test)

    1996/1997 Application for Federal Student Aid: PO Box 810, Euless, TX 76039 817-355-0747

    Before 2003, Texas Driver’s License expiration date 7/18/07, 2436 Harwood Rd, 387, Bedford, TX 76021

    2003? Resume - 1978 Oak Creek Lane #16, Bedford, Texas 76022, Home: 817-685-8401, Cell: 817-715-8578, email csengineer2002@yahoo.com

    According to her resume she worked in Arlington (2002/2003), Irving (2000-2002), Dallas (1999-2000), Colleyville (1998), Grand Prairie (1998), and Fort Worth (1992-1998), Texas

    Claimed she was from Scottsdale, AZ per obituary http://www.tributes.com/show/Lori-Erica-Ruff-90422740 and http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/new...43#fbLoggedOut


    Found on Ancestry.com the following addresses for Lori E. Kennedy with DOB 7/18/69:

    3146 Hudnall St., Dallas, Texas 75235
    14400 Statler Blvd, Fort Worth, Tx 76155
    2436 Harwood Rd. Apt. 387, Bedford, Texas 76021

    This one comes back as a business when googled:
    Lori E. Kennedy (DOB July 1969) 1111 W. Airport #147, Irving, Texas 75062 (phone number 355-0747)

    then it lists:
    200 Bear Creek Dr. Apt. 219, Euless, TX 76039 (1995)
    P.O. Box 543344 #219, Dallas, TX 75354
    3901 Oakridge Ct. Apt. 3815, Fort Worth, TX 76155 (1993)
    P.O. Box 810, Euless, Texas 76039 (1995)


    Main sources: Seattle Times http://seattletimes.com/html/localpa...nejanedoe.html and http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...anedoexml.html, Fox News article http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/26...#ixzz2XO3tUz2T

    Claire, where did" Dancer in Dallas area nightclub" come from????

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    On the first link LucyOso posted it says that FLEK left a letter for her daughter, to be opened on her 18th birthday. Does anyone know if they have already opened it or if they are waiting for her daughter to do it?

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    No, the family apparently opened the letter and the believe it has no clues to her identity. Pretty much a plea for her daughter to think of tea times, etc....if I recall correctly.
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    Okay...I find this line of thought intriguing (FLEK trying to figure out who SHE is), but I have an alternate thought.

    What if there wasn't just her who changed her ID. For example, maybe she has a brother or sister who did the same thing as her at the same time? Nothing in particular makes me think this....just a gut instinct while I ponder this theory. And personally, gut instinct steers 80% of my successful searches. My money would be on her having a brother who helped her financially in the beginning and then disappeared on her, due to discovery, death or incarceration, maybe.
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    Just went back and re-read one of the news articles and noticed something I hadn't seen before. Article says "Pages from an Arizona phone book" were found. I don't remember this, do we have those pages?

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    I don't think we do!! That would help!!! gAH

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    HerStory,

    I think you are correct. May 17, 1988 last day Hoban trial in North Hollywood. May 20, 1988 LEK starts her new life. In the end I think we will find out Richard Stalder was the cash support and when he died on Dec.15 1995 that LEK was broke. He was in the Military and in Lakewood WA. I bet his name is in the BST obit paper. When they needed it BST was the best age for a fresh start for his daughter. I think stepmother was the Las Vegas and Henderson connection. Stepfather had PO Box in Bakersfield in 1988. Brother was the Texas connection 1988 and 1989. He as married in Tom Green Texas April 7, 1989. Brother spent time in Florida 1990. I think stepmother as " Jennifer Perkins ". I think we will find the real Lori Kennedy also has a Van Nuys and Vegas connection. Check Jennifer Chong Stalder Trust Las Vegas. I would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks

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    BTW

    "402 months"

    LA Times June 25, 1988 says Hoban gets 27 and 6 for good behavior and time served. 27 + 6 = 33. 396 months.

    Hoban had served Jan 1984 to June 1988. 54 months. 324 + 24 + 54 = " 402 "

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