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    What personality factors might have contributed to this senseless crime?

    Janet Abaroa's life was tragically ended by a murderer. This thread will discuss some of the personality disorders often associated with murderers, and the role that those disorders may or may not have played in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misterallgood
    The following quotes can all be found here -- THE PSYCHOPATH - The Mask of Sanity -- Special Research Project of the Quantum Future Group:
    SECONDARY PSYCHOPATHS are risk-takers, but are also more likely to be stress-reactive, worriers, and guilt-prone. They expose themselves to more stress than the average person, but they are as vulnerable to stress as the average person. They are daring, adventurous, unconventional people who began playing by their own rules early in life. They are strongly driven by a desire to escape or avoid pain, but are unable to resist temptation. As their anxiety increases toward some forbidden object, so does their attraction to it. They live their lives by the lure of temptation.

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    CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATHS are charming, attractive liars. They are usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything they own, even their lives.

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    How Psychopaths View The World

    Not only do they covet possessions and power, but they gain special pleasure in usurping and taking from others (a symbolic sibling, for example); what they can plagiarize, swindle, and extort are fruits far sweeter than those they can earn through honest labor. And once having drained what they can from one source, they turn to another to exploit, bleed, and then cast aside; their pleasure in the misfortune of others is unquenchable.

    People are used as a means to an end; they are to be subordinated and demeaned so that the antisocial can vindicate themselves...
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    This is an excellent site someone gave me on this board describing all kinds of killers. http://www.faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect10.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterallgood
    More from The Mask of Sanity...



    The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually a racist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a revolutionary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misterallgood
    The following can all be read in full context at this site; THE PSYCHOPATH - The Mask of Sanity Special Research Project of the Quantum Future Group:
    (W)hen needing to manipulate a female, the psychopath often targets women who are what is often called the "dumb blonde" type, the kind of woman who exudes naivete, often unconscious of her own sexuality, vapid innocence(...)their personalities usually border on the Pollyanish, and they always see a silver lining in every cloud. Not that there is anything essentially wrong with innocence or optimism, but when dealing with a psychopath, that can prove a bad combination. Psychopaths seem to be attracted to this type of woman in particular. She is nurturing and all-giving, while he is closed-off and retentive.
    (after reading the following, it might be instructive to review the longer Abaroa Xmas 2003 video)

    Psychopaths have a grandiose self-structure which demands "a scornful and detached devaluation of others" [Gacon et al 1992], in order to ward off envy toward the good perceived in people. They react towards perceived or existing attachment capacities with ambivelence and often aggression. According to Meloy, most of them transfer the attachment to "hard objects" such as weapons, knives, [magical practices] etc. The grandiose self is represented onto the weapon or object and is a projection of themselves. This of course is more in depth study of the psychopath. Not all psychopaths have a gun collection or a favourite knife or sword, but a great deal of them do tend to be fond of weapons and such symbols of aggression and dominance. I'm not sure if this is true in all cases, but one psychopath I knew loved swords. He was obsessed with them and loved weapons of all kinds.

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    MURDER IN THE UK - CRIME & PERSONALITY

    Interesting writing & tables. I will later try to research some of the studies mentioned in his dissertation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalypso
    This is an excellent site someone gave me on this board describing all kinds of killers. http://www.faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect10.htm
    Wow! Very interesting reading! Many of these I had never heard of!
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    The Narcissistic N Type

    Also known as: Narcissist. Sanguine personality. Charismatic personality, demagogue. The non-aggressive non-perfectionist. The self-anointed glory seeker...

    Smile: Instinctual. Often radiant "gingival" smile, broadly exposing gums and teeth.

    Photograph: Looks at camera. Broad charismatic gingival smile. Starry-eyed smile...

    Sexuality: Tendency to promiscuity: high. Tendency to ambivalence in sexual orientation: high.

    Susceptibilities: Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), megalomania, messianism. Unfocused, undisciplined, disorganized personality. Pathological liar. Confidence man/woman. Vagabond criminal. Uncontrollable florid rages...

    He would convey the impression that "I will be the greatest, the most glorious and the most beautiful, and in fact I think that I already am!" He is self-admiring. He has great ambitions with regard to future accomplishments, but does not recognize his limitations. His eyes are set more toward himself and toward the limelight of recognition to be attained in the future than toward the actual tasks with which he must deal. His voice is soothing and clear, and may be directed toward the horizon where all can hear it. His pride is also invested in the beauty of his physical body when in the presence of others. With his not so subtle body postures, mannerisms, and self-congratulatory laughter, he flaunts himself.

    (If he is) lacking perfectionist qualities, he may have difficulties in organizing himself. He lacks persistence or staying power. Perfectionism by careful repetitive action is alien to him. He has no aggressive-vindictive qualities, does not "play the game" of dominance and submission and does not become involved in the dependency of subjugation. He does not split his personality to a subdued state. He cannot be incited into an aggressive-vindictive rage...

    In placid circumstances this individual is a friendly, unaggressive, perennially optimistic, often charming individual who becomes radiant like a sunflower when flattered. Rather than be embarrassed by adulation, he will revel in it. Whatever his station in life, he will not be able to resist the temptation to mount the podium if the opportunity presents itself. If he has even mediocre talent, he will be a compulsive jokester, mimic, an amateur singer, or will play some kind of musical instrument... As an engineer, a businessman or a physician his genuinely friendly manner may mystify those with whom he comes in contact. They may think his extroverted affectations to be somewhat strange, and may consider him to be either incredibly naive, incredibly conceited or simply groutheaded.

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    I have a question. Why do we not hear more about the serial killers while they are actively operating? It seems that LE is reluctant to admit and even sometimes deny that some murders are/maybe related to other murders. The general attitude is that they do not want to panic the area where the serial murders are being committed. But instead they leave the inhabitants vulnerable, because they don't know that there is a continuing danger out there. I have seen this over and over, in many areas.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    Why do we not hear more about the serial killers while they are actively operating? It seems that LE is reluctant to admit and even sometimes deny that some murders are/maybe related to other murders.
    I agree with your point - the primary focus should be keeping the community safe in the event that a serial killer is on the loose. Do you think that this particular crime might be related to others in the area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    I have a question. Why do we not hear more about the serial killers while they are actively operating? It seems that LE is reluctant to admit and even sometimes deny that some murders are/maybe related to other murders. The general attitude is that they do not want to panic the area where the serial murders are being committed. But instead they leave the inhabitants vulnerable, because they don't know that there is a continuing danger out there. I have seen this over and over, in many areas.
    I wonder if part of the reason could be to cut down on the notoriety of the killer. If I understand correctly, many times serial killers are out for as much publicity and notoriety and they can get. I would think that in cases where this is a motive for the killer, any publicity would serve to feed the killers needs, encouraging him/her to kill more.

    Just a thought . . . I doubt it fits all situations, but could be a factor.

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    The elephant in the room

    Scott Peterson vs. Raven Abaroa

    1. Both were in sales. The sociopath personality is a natural in sales.

    Sociopath, anti-social personality, psychopath. Everyone should be wary of an individual who has glib charm, a soothing voice, a penetrating gaze, dramatic gestures, and engages in meaningless flattery and vague/inconsistent responses to personal questions. http://psychological.com/april_01_newsletter.htm

    2. Where Scott hung fake diplomas, Raven actually had a stuffed Raven sitting on his file cabinet in his office.

    3. Both are compulsive liars.

    4. Both cheated on their spouse.

    5. Both tried to allued that the baby might not be theirs.

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    Golfmom, I missed the stuffed Raven and the idea that Raven alluded to the notion that Kaiden might not be his. Am I just forgetting information at this point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl
    Golfmom, I missed the stuffed Raven and the idea that Raven alluded to the notion that Kaiden might not be his. Am I just forgetting information at this point?
    No, I'm just passing along info . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfmom
    Scott Peterson vs. Raven Abaroa

    1. Both were in sales. The sociopath personality is a natural in sales.

    Sociopath, anti-social personality, psychopath. Everyone should be wary of an individual who has glib charm, a soothing voice, a penetrating gaze, dramatic gestures, and engages in meaningless flattery and vague/inconsistent responses to personal questions. http://psychological.com/april_01_newsletter.htm

    2. Where Scott hung fake diplomas, Raven actually had a stuffed Raven sitting on his file cabinet in his office.

    3. Both are compulsive liars.

    4. Both cheated on their spouse.

    5. Both tried to allued that the baby might not be theirs.
    6. Scott claimed to be out posting "Help Find Laci" flyers while he sat in his parked truck; Raven claims to be going back to Durham to talk to/help the Police.

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