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    CA - Orange Co., Fem Skel UP12250, 30-60, 'Coach Williams' on jacket, Jan'14

    Just released today. Body found in January, OCSD asking for help identifying her.

    http://ocsd.org/civicax/inc/blobfetch.aspx?BlobID=34017
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 04-17-2014 at 01:52 PM.

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    Could she be Michelle Russ?



    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/ca...ort_html/20902
    https://www.facebook.com/HelpBringMichelleRussHome

    Russ is described as 5'2" blonde hair (per NAMUS, her hair may be dyed), age 26, last seen wearing a dark top and black pants. Russ was last seen on 05/09/2013 which fits within the 6 month window of the unidentified being exposed for at least six months.

    The t-shirt on Russ in the picture is a close match to the one on the unidentified woman, in my opinion. The black shirt she was seen wearing could be the jacket found on the unidentified woman.

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    This may not be quite the same jacket, but for this brand a women's small appears to be consistent with a size 6-8 for regular clothing: http://www.ppsapparel.com/4product_details130.htm

    What I found interesting is that most team jackets I know of have a team/school logo or name and this one appears to just have the generic volleyball/water polo logo and personalization. I tried checking for women with the last name Williams but didn't turn up any likely candidates.

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    I agree, it's odd that there's not a team or league name or logo associated with the jacket. I'm not sure what if anything it might mean, though. Maybe she got it secondhand?
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Maybe the jacket was a sample?

    Maybe the jacket was a sample. In the course of my job I've received samples of embroidered items with a generic name and logos to see the workmanship and quality of the item before I ordered. I was usually free to keep the items if I wanted them.

    Or on the other hand, it could be from a small team that didn't want to pay the extra charge to put a custom logo on the jacket and just used the generic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MizKim View Post
    Maybe the jacket was a sample. In the course of my job I've received samples of embroidered items with a generic name and logos to see the workmanship and quality of the item before I ordered. I was usually free to keep the items if I wanted them.

    Or on the other hand, it could be from a small team that didn't want to pay the extra charge to put a custom logo on the jacket and just used the generic.
    That's a good thought about it being a sample. It might also be embroidered with a generic coach's name as well. I've never been part of a league so small that it didn't have at least something to indicate the team, even on cheap t-shirts.

    Ms. Russo is a bit younger than the estimate, but otherwise she looks like a very good possible.
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    Hopefully her dental work will tell them who she is.
    When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.

    Mark Twain

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    I'm puzzled by the dental work tbh. It would seem like a really obvious identifier but she was found 2 months ago and no leads.

    I know they are being careful and not saying she is a homicide victim, but I've camped in Caspers, They are staffed, you have to go through a Ranger-manned gate to get in and pay for day use and overnight use. There are Ranger-guided walks as well as night events, Scout camps, etc. It's not a quiet backwater, at least in the most accessible areas.

    Which makes me wonder where, exactly, she was found.

    If she was a local rider, surely her horse would have turned up?

    So IMO she is a local and stumbled upon a marijuana/other illegal operation up in the hills. Or someone non local who arrived to camp and never left (they don't check cars/RVs for passengers). Or was carried there and dumped, in some kind of vehicle, coming over the mountain from Elsinore on the fire roads (when they are open you can off road all over Saddleback).

    IDK! Has a Pendleton Marine reported his wife up and left him? A tragic accident with an undocumented family not wanting to get in trouble?

    I know we have other locals here - what do you guys think?





    I havent heard of anyone local missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhgal View Post
    Could she be Michelle Russ?



    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/ca...ort_html/20902
    https://www.facebook.com/HelpBringMichelleRussHome

    Russ is described as 5'2" blonde hair (per NAMUS, her hair may be dyed), age 26, last seen wearing a dark top and black pants. Russ was last seen on 05/09/2013 which fits within the 6 month window of the unidentified being exposed for at least six months.

    The t-shirt on Russ in the picture is a close match to the one on the unidentified woman, in my opinion. The black shirt she was seen wearing could be the jacket found on the unidentified woman.
    Michelle Russ was missing her front top teeth...

    missing her front top 6 teeth, if she smiles you can see her molars.
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/ca...ort_html/20902

    The decedent had a very distinct gold colored dental bridge on her left lower jaw
    http://ocsd.org/civicax/inc/blobfetch.aspx?BlobID=34017


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    If the jacket was a gift from the team as a thank you, I could see it not having the team name on it because it would be cost prohibitive. I could also see it for a recreation league that might not be well funded. The fact that the design is only on the front and is rather generic would have cut down on the cost of the gift.
    Unless I've provided a link, most of what I say is my own opinion. Sometimes, I'm thinking out loud and may explore avenues I don't necessarily think are true, but I'm always aware I could be wrong, so I check other stuff out.

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    I think the jacket could be from a school, it would explain the lack of unique logo, or sponsor.

    Judging from the style of the jackets I've seen on ebay it looks like they mainly manufactured jackets in the 90s, so if she had any connection to the team I doubt it's current.

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    Does anyone else see an animal who slightly resembles Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh up high on the shirt, just below the neck and just to the right of the highest large hole in the fabric? I see blue eyes, a muzzle (with nostrils that are turned the opposite way of Eeyore's and that's why I doubt this is actually Eeyore, as Disney art portrays him consistently) and possibly big floppy ears.

    Not that identifying the shirt design would help ID this woman when that dental bridge is no doubt more memorable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatertot View Post
    Does anyone else see an animal who slightly resembles Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh up high on the shirt, just below the neck and just to the right of the highest large hole in the fabric? I see blue eyes, a muzzle (with nostrils that are turned the opposite way of Eeyore's and that's why I doubt this is actually Eeyore, as Disney art portrays him consistently) and possibly big floppy ears.

    Not that identifying the shirt design would help ID this woman when that dental bridge is no doubt more memorable...
    Yep. I see it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAD90 View Post
    I think the jacket could be from a school, it would explain the lack of unique logo, or sponsor.

    Judging from the style of the jackets I've seen on ebay it looks like they mainly manufactured jackets in the 90s, so if she had any connection to the team I doubt it's current.
    I dunno. In my experience with schools and teams, they're among the most likely to have a strong shared identity and want the team logo or name or something on their jacket.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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