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    Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #11

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    Malaysia Airlines says it has lost contact with a plane travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, with 239 people on board.

    The airline said in a statement that flight MH370 disappeared at 02:40 local time on Saturday (18:40 GMT on Friday).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26492748

    I'm praying the plane is found and people on the plane survive.

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    Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #11

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    So far it appears that the pilot and the co-pilot have taken a secret to their graves. jmo
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    Since we now know that the Indian Ocean is rough, and debris could be scattered thousands of miles, I have a question for the airplane knowledgeable and sea knowledgeable.

    Could any part that radar could pick up have simply been being tossed in the sea? On one of the videos I've been watching on large plane crashes, one of the videos was thinking a plane crash was because of a missile. (30 years ago, still question as to bomb in toilet or missile.) However, when going through the radar the people looking at it realized that one thing they thought was a fighter plane, I can't remember if they originally thought 3 or 4, was actually a piece of the exploded airplane, not another aircraft.

    Could that be what has happened here? Object on radar may be pieces? Possibly in the ocean or still disbursing and headed toward the ocean?

    It would make sense out of the upward then downward and outward turn patterns. So would simply losing control and the plane just flying until it could not anymore though.

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    Jemaah Islamiyah
    The al Qaeda-affiliated group, Jemaah Islamiyah, has a presence in Malaysia as well as in the Philippines and Indonesia. But the group has been under sustained law enforcement pressure for more than a decade after it bombed nightclubs on the Indonesian island of Bali in 2002, killing more than 200 people, mostly Western tourists. The group has also carried out bombings at the Australian Embassy in Indonesia and the JW Marriott and Ritz-Carlton Hotels in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta. However, the capabilities of the once-potent Jemaah Islamiyah have eroded over time. And would Jemaah Islamiyah, an Islamist militant group, target for attack the air carrier of a majority Muslim country on which quite a number of Muslims were likely traveling? It is more plausible that the group would select a Western airline because Western embassies and Western brand-name hotels have been the focus of their previous attacks and plots.

    East Turkestan Islamic Movement
    A terrorist group that might have a motive is the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a separatist group in China founded by Uyghurs that has had some historical ties to al Qaeda and the Taliban. The Uyghurs are an ethnic group in western China who are Muslim. The group has conducted a number of terrorist attacks in China.

    Uyghur
    Uyghur terrorists might have a motive to hijack the Malaysia Airlines flight as it was bound for Beijing and most of the passengers were Chinese. But Uyghur militants have operated almost exclusively inside China. And when they have tried to mount hijackings in the past they have been complete flops. On March 9, 2008, a 19-year old Uyghur woman attempted to set off some kind of explosive device on a flight from the Xinjiang Uyghur region en route to Beijing. The flight crew detained the woman before she could detonate the device. Four year later, on June 29, 2012, half a dozen Uyghur men attempted to take control of an aircraft flying in the Xinjiang Uyghur region using pieces of a metal crutch that had been sharpened to make crude weapons. This plot was also foiled. Bolstering the view that Uyghur terrorists did not hijack the Malaysia Airlines flight, on Tuesday a Chinese official said that background checks on the passengers on the plane produced no evidence that any of the Chinese citizens on board were involved in terrorism.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/17/opinio...errorism-role/

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    SO if someone is going to reuse the plane for some bad thing, wonder if they would try to repaint it first so it's not so noticeable that its the same plane. ?

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    "The working assumption is that it went south, and furthermore that it went to the southern end of that corridor," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The view is based on the lack of any evidence from countries along the northern corridor that the plane entered their airspace, and the failure to find any trace of wreckage in searches in the upper part of the southern corridor.

    Some sources involved in the investigation have voiced fears it could be drifting towards deadlock due to the reluctance of countries in the region to share militarily sensitive radar data or allow full access to their territory.

    "These are basically spy planes, that's what they were designed for," said one source close to the investigation, explaining the hesitance of some nations to allow maritime surveillance aircraft into their waters.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2701720140319
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    If this were a hijacking for political purposes, the hijacking would have been followed by an act designed to send a political message, such as the planes hijacked on 9/11 that were then flown into the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

    Or there would be set of demands, as was the case with the Indian Airlines flight that was hijacked to Kandahar, Afghanistan, by militant Kashmiri separatists in December 1999. They demanded the release of leading militants in Indian jails, a demand to which the Indian government acceded.

    Or there would be a credible claim of responsibility. The one claim of responsibility so far is from an outfit calling itself the Chinese Martyrs' Brigade. This claim is not deemed to be credible. Malaysian Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein told reporters last week: "There is no sound or credible grounds to justify their claims.'"

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/17/opinio...errorism-role/

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    "If" somebody has that plane whatever the intent may not be seen for a very long time. Element of surprise. It's a terrifying thought.
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    Hi all,
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...f19_story.html

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    More on the deleted files from the captain's flight simulator (bbm):

    The deletions are not necessarily evidence of ill intent: Removing files from a computer is usually an innocent act repeated millions of times a day around the world.

    But experts consulted by CNN said it's relatively unusual to delete such data from a simulator: The files are extremely small and are often kept by desktop pilots to gauge their progress, said Jay Leboff, owner of HotSeat, a simulator manufacturer.

    "It would be suspicious to me, because there's no need to do it," he said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/19/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26644085

    "A local councillor on the island of Kudahuvadhoo has told the BBC that about 10 people described seeing a large aeroplane some hours after it disappeared."




    " There were two Ukrainians and one Russian on the plane.
    Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu also said some data had been deleted from the flight simulator found at captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's home on 3 February, and that investigators were trying to recover the deleted files.

    Mr Hussein stressed the captain should be considered innocent until proven guilty and that members of his family were co-operating with the investigation. Deleting files would not necessarily be suspicious, particularly if it were to free up memory space."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl View Post
    If this were a hijacking for political purposes, the hijacking would have been followed by an act designed to send a political message, such as the planes hijacked on 9/11 that were then flown into the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

    Or there would be set of demands, as was the case with the Indian Airlines flight that was hijacked to Kandahar, Afghanistan, by militant Kashmiri separatists in December 1999. They demanded the release of leading militants in Indian jails, a demand to which the Indian government acceded.

    Or there would be a credible claim of responsibility. The one claim of responsibility so far is from an outfit calling itself the Chinese Martyrs' Brigade. This claim is not deemed to be credible. Malaysian Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein told reporters last week: "There is no sound or credible grounds to justify their claims.'"

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/17/opinio...errorism-role/
    bbm

    Or the flight did not make its intended destination.

    I do believe it is political in nature but internal to Malaysia. If demands have already been made to Malaysia, it could be the reason for their silence and flipflopping earlier.

    However.... at this stage of the game, almost 2 weeks later, it does seem like a message would've been made public. I'm beginning to think that:

    (1) the plan was not successful, and the plane has crashed (unintentionally)

    or

    (2) it is hidden with the intent to use it for a 9/11 type of attack in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by dotr View Post
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26644085

    "A local councillor on the island of Kudahuvadhoo has told the BBC that about 10 people described seeing a large aeroplane some hours after it disappeared."




    " There were two Ukrainians and one Russian on the plane.
    Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu also said some data had been deleted from the flight simulator found at captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's home on 3 February, and that investigators were trying to recover the deleted files.

    Mr Hussein stressed the captain should be considered innocent until proven guilty and that members of his family were co-operating with the investigation. Deleting files would not necessarily be suspicious, particularly if it were to free up memory space."
    And then this (bbm):

    They've received background checks on all nations with passengers on board with the exception of Russia and Ukraine, Hussein said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/19/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1
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