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    Canada - Jeffrey Boucher, 52, Whitby ON, 13 Jan 2014 - #7

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    Jeffrey Boucher is a 52 year old teacher at Bowmanville High School and an avid runner who has gone missing. He was last seen on Monday morning January, 13th, 2014 to go on a run. He never returned home. Normally, Boucher's daily runs go on for about 10 kilometers (6.2 miles), but he does not keep to the same route. When he failed to return home, his wife contacted authorities, and a search was then ensued. Boucher is a white male, 6', he weighs 180 lbs, he has graying brown hair with brown eyes.

    Please contact the Durham regional police at 1-888-579-1520.

    http://www.citynews.ca/2014/01/13/po...ng-whitby-man/

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    REVISED TIMELINE MARCH 17, 2014

    SUMMARY OF CHANGES/ADDITIONS:

    More details re BB looking for JB Sunday night; witness is believed to be the person walking their dog; added November and December drug busts in Whitby; shoe found Tuesday and LE told KB about shoe on Thursday; found shoe is Nike with lacelocks and laced like JB would have done; possible matching shoe box found by LE at residence; KB spoke with media at lakefront; production company approached KB; BB search for JB Monday morning and was back by 9:00 am; KB convo with neighbour Monday morning; DRPS received missing person call at 8:30 am; March 17 search at waterfront and MSM report that LE believe shoe found last week was in water and washed ashore; shoe was found about 10’ from water; added detail of BB and neighbours checking waterfront afternoon of Jan 13; add helicopter search March 14

    ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ASAP !!

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    Nov 2013 sometime this month JB had surgery for receding gums; his BHS teacher page has entry on Nov 8 “On-call dentist”; he didn’t take Motrin after the 3rd day

    Nov 14 Drug bust after sweep at Whitby high schools

    Dec 2013 Ski trip to Mount St. Louis this month

    Dec 13 another drug bust in Whitby;

    Dec-20 JB and BB left for Collingwood

    Dec-22 Pizza Hut, Collingwood, 29.81 VISA transaction

    Dec-22 Loblaws, Collingwood, 68.72 VISA transaction

    Dec-23 Esso, Collingwood 26.77 VISA transaction

    Dec-24 Walmart Supercenter, Collingwood 19.83 VISA transaction

    Dec-24 Loblaws, Collingwood 21.17 VISA transaction

    Dec-25 KB and K left for Cuba

    Dec-26 Esso, Collingwood 24.41 VISA transaction

    Dec 27 East Side Marios, Collingwood (JB and BB) 32.36 VISA transaction

    Dec-31 Esso, Collingwood 30.92 VISA transaction

    Jan-01 KB and K returned to Whitby from Cuba

    Jan-02 Walmart Supercenter, Collingwood 36.81 VISA transaction

    Jan-05 Refuel at No Frills, Angus 37.14 VISA transaction

    Jan-05 JB and BB returned to Whitby from Collingwood

    Jan-06 First day of school after Christmas break. It was a "Snow Day" but JB went to work.

    Jan-06 Petrocan, Whitby 16.97 VISA transaction

    Jan-07 regular classes resumed after Jan 6 Snow Day

    Jan-07 Ontario Hyundai, 4.50 VISA transaction (oil changes free except for environmental tax?)

    Jan-07 Real Canadian Superstore 9.46 VISA transaction

    Jan-08 Great Clips 15.56 VISA transaction

    Jan-08 JB got haircut at Great Clips, (usual place/usual frequency); also recently got new glasses due to 24 month benefit period;

    Jan-09 Petrocan-1006 Brock St S., Whitby 34.92 VISA transaction

    Jan-09 to Jan-15 No entries made in JB's course outline for his Entrepreneur course. All other dates are filled and it's unclear if JB left these blank, if he removed any actual entries, or if they were removed by someone else for some reason. KB thinks they must have been doing an end of term assignment

    Jan-10 Petrocan-3930 Brock St N., Whitby 11.04 VISA transaction

    Jan-10 Real Canadian Superstore, Whitby 8.04 VISA transaction (addy is 200 Taunton Rd, Whitby)

    Jan-10 A sum of money was found in JB's file cabinet at work on this date. KB says the money was in a malfunctioning file cabinet which was opened by the caretaker while JB was out of the classroom. JB did not tell KB about the incident.

    Jan-11 Jeff did not run Saturday morning

    Jan-11 5:00 AM JB and BB left in the car (Hyundai) to drive to Blue Mountain where they are both ski instructors; at times they taught near each other; they probably saw each other about 3 times a day. They spent the evening and night at JB's parents' chalet which is about 35km from Collingwood

    Jan-12 Jeff did not run Sunday morning

    Jan-12 AM KB went to church;

    Jan-12 PM KB says she went shopping Sunday afternoon and arranged the new food in the fridge that afternoon, and does not recall moving a lunch bag

    Jan-12 3:30 PM KB says that BB called approx 3:30 to 4:00 PM to say she and JB were leaving Blue Mountain to return home to Whitby

    Jan-12 4:00 PM Approx time that JB and BB would have left Blue Mountain to arrive home in Whitby at 6:30 PM

    Jan-12 Petrocan-1755 Dundas St. Whitby, 34.44 VISA transaction. KB says BB called from this location to say they were 5 min from home.

    Jan-12 6:30 PM JB and BB arrived home in Whitby from Blue Mountain; approx 2.5 hour drive (this would put them having left Blue Mountain approx 4:00 pm)

    Jan-12 6:45 to 7:15PM KB says she believes JB was on his computer for a short time between about 6:45 and 7:15

    Jan-12 7:00 PM Approx time, KB was watching TV and JB was in dining room on his laptop. They sat together for a bit on the couch discussing the houses for sale that KB had researched in Collingwood, and then they went on the computer together to look at the potential houses, to get an idea of what their 'dream house' might look like when they did move up to Collingwood. JB asked KB to email him the links to the place they currently liked best. KB says she emailed JB the Collingwood cottage listings to JB at 8:21 pm.

    Jan-12 7:20 PM This is the time KB believes the email from the Principal was sent; she thinks JB was just getting off his laptop around this time; the email was asking JB to stop by the Principal’s office before lunch on Monday, again saying not to worry. The Principal says this email was never read by Jeff.

    Jan-12 8:00 PM to 9:00 PM BB was tutoring a student at the dining room table; KB says the students BB tutors are mostly referrals from her guidance department at school, 1 student KB suggested, and 1 neighbour. KB still does not know which student BB was tutoring but it was not the one KB suggested or the neighbour. All KB knows is that student lives by Sinclair Secondary School; KB says LE has never answered the questions she has asked them wrt this student and KB is not comfortable asking BB questions regarding JB’s disappearance; KB says student was definitely gone by the time BB went to look for JB

    Jan-12 8:21 PM KB advises she sent JB the emails re houses at 8:21 pm as he walked out of the office upstairs

    Jan-12 8:30 PM MB called the house to speak with BB. KB was upstairs on the computer and picked up the phone and called to JB downstairs that his mom was on the phone; JB told MB that BB couldn't come to phone as she was tutoring; he also said he was preparing for upcoming student exams. MB says JB normally went to bed at 10:00 pm; KB advises they normally went to bed between 10:30 and 11:00 pm and that JB would not wake up until 5:00 am

    Jan-12 8:50 PM JB gives KB kiss on cheek and says he's going for a run because it's such a nice night. KB warns him about icy sidewalks and advises other runners are running on the roads. JB normally changes in the laundry room which is attached to the garage, then goes out through the garage. There is a side door to the garage which JB would sometimes leave unlocked and he would re-enter through that door. KB says that the morning of JB’s disappearance, that side garage door was locked. Had JB returned, he would have had to enter through the front door to the house. The front door of the house has keyless entry (number keypad). When leaving the house, you just press the lock button on the pad.

    Jan-12 9:05 PM MB states she called BB (this would be in addition to her call at 8:30 when she spoke with JB). KB doesn’t recall MB calling back and thinks BB was supposed to call MB back re MB having found USB charger under the bed.

    Jan-12 9:00 PM KB says that BB is sure JB left through the garage door before 9:00 pm

    Jan-12 9:05 PM Student left and, according to KB, was picked up by a parent (KB has been unable to verify whether "parent" or otherwise has been verified by LE).

    Jan-12 9:05 PM After student left, KB doesn’t know what BB was doing but KB stayed on the computer for a bit, watched TV, and wondered where JB was by 10:15.

    Jan-12 10:30 PM KB says she and JB always go into the hot tub at 10:15 prior to bedtime between 10:30 and 11:00 PM. KB went to lie down and BB says she will take the van and go look for JB. KB says she was not outside at all on Sunday night.

    Jan-12 10:34 PM BB tweets her dad "went running 3 hours ago and he isn't home yet. Anyone seen a 50 year old man lying on a sidewalk?" (Tweet was deleted, possibly Monday, because BB said "it was irrelevant" and "people were asking a lot of questions); temp about 2C, clear, and light rain was forecast for the following day.

    Jan-12 10:38 PM BB left in the van to look for her Dad. KB says she knows this because she had looked at the alarm by the bed. BB drove around some streets looking, then on her way home as she was driving north on Whitburn, she decided to go see a friend on Woodhaven. This is when she saw JB running. BB never visited the friend.

    Jan-12 10:50 PM BB returned home and said JB was located running about 200m from home (later changed to 900m); KB says JB was just crossing over from Cochrane Street to Briargreen Court as BB was driving along Woodhaven Cres. BB had a chat with JB through the van window; KB says there was a witness who was walking a dog and heard convo between JB/BB; KB says that witness has been interviewed by LE; BB said JB "was completely normal” when he got home that night. She says he didn’t go back out again and she was up late and would have noticed. There was almost a full moon; Environment Canada historical weather data for Oshawa Jan 12 shows 2.3C to 3.0C, precip. 0, snow accumulation 3cm.

    Jan-12 10:55 PM Approx time JB arrived home, apparently having run up to Heber Down and back. His favorite places are Heber Down and Cullen Park

    Jan-12 10:55 to 11:10 PM KB says JB would have gone in hot tub (no swimsuit); she says JB knows she wouldn’t like him to come to bed sweaty

    Jan-12 11:10 PM JB came to bed. KB was in bed almost asleep. He woke her to tell her about the nice weather; he was asleep in a few minutes but KB couldn't get back to sleep. KB says when she got up to take 1/2 Sleepeze at 1:00 am, Jeff was definitely in bed, sleeping. KB says she only had 1 or 2 Sleepeze left and that, other than advil and the motrin for his gums, there were no other meds in the house. JB was against taking pills, even refusing vitamins

    Jan-13 1:00 AM KB took a Sleepeze or 1/2 a Sleepeze. She heard BB downstairs and said BB was up until about 1:00 am or 1:30 am

    Jan-13 3:30 AM KB says that LE advised her the plows were out at this hour

    Jan-13 5:00 AM or 5:30 to 6:00 JB normally wakes up automatically at this time without an alarm clock

    Note: KB advises JB’s morning routine as:

    Go down to his bathroom, and take out his mouth guard (which is there), eat a banana, get ready for run, run, come home about 6:50 am, drink water, have shower, go to kitchen in underwear, eat toast with a ton of peanut butter, warm up his spoon-sized shredded wheat with hot water, add milk, eat. Come upstairs to get his ironed shirt from the closet, kiss me goodbye in bed (this happens at 7:10-7:20), goes back downstairs, puts his long pants and shoes on and leaves.

    Jan-13 5:15 to 5:20 AM Approx time JS said he almost backed into a jogger as he was backing out on his street. JS saw the back of the jogger who was wearing all black and fit JB’s height and build. He said he had reported this info to LE (unknown when). JS posted this info to KB on the Missing JB page Feb 14. KB says JS goes to their church, and that JS said the jogger was running east on Bourbon Place.

    Jan-13 5:30 AM KB says that LE advised her plows were also out at this hour and that the drivers were interviewed by LE. Today is also recycling pickup north of Taunton.

    Jan-13 Time unknown, Esther thinks she saw JB running northbound on the road early Monday morning when she was driving south on Brock St., south of Taunton Rd. It was still dark and Esther was startled when the man in dark clothing suddenly appeared on the road. She said she could only see his white face.

    Jan-13 5:32 AM cctv video shows jogger who appears to be running in the direction of Gilchrist Court. KB and BB viewed video and say it is not JB.

    Jan-13 6:00 AM The time JB would normally go for his morning run, but nobody saw him leave. No cereal bowl or indication he ate breakfast, and compost was not checked for banana peel. KB says he didn't kiss her goodbye. It is believed he was wearing his wedding band, wire silver framed glasses (wire on top, no wire on bottom), a navy blue or black Mountain Equipment Co-op running suit; small MP3 pinned to his shirt/jacket; no Nike chip in shoes, no hat, no gloves, no water bottle or sweat band; KB initially advised that both vehicles were in the driveway, but later said JB’s car was in the garage overnite (the van in the driveway); his keys and wallet found at home (KB advises she and JB have never owned cell phones); his passport is at home. It is unknown for sure which shoes he was wearing but KB advises shoe size is mens 11 and she guesses they may be an older, slightly roughed up pair of Asics, dark colour uppers maybe with orange on the sides. The regular Timex watch he normally wore while running watch was found at home in his work shoe; KB says his mouthguard was in its case in his downstairs bathroom and was dry by Monday nite when she checked; JB is said to run 10-15 km (2005 record shows 10km in 43 mins); historical weather data shows Jan 13 as 2.3C to 6.0C, precip .6 cm, snow accumulation 2cm. Locals say weather was clear, no fog.

    Jan-13 7:15 AM KB woke up. KB says BB was still in her room but got up a few minutes later

    Jan-13 7:15 AM BB got up around this time

    Jan-13 7:30 AM BB said she was eating breakfast when KB came in and asked if she’d seen JB

    Jan-13 7:30 AM KB and BB notice JB is not home yet.

    Jan-13 7:48 AM Sunrise in Whitby, ON

    Jan-13 8:00 AM Approx time KB saw the car in the garage when she checked to see if JB’s bikes were there.

    Jan-13 8:00 AM KB says she called JB’s school

    Jan-13 8:00 AM Prior to KB calling her own school, BB had left in car (later clarified to be the van) to search around block/neighbourhood

    Jan-13 8:00 AM Approx time KB says she called her own school

    Jan-13 8:20 AM Approx 8:20 to 8:30 KB advises she was outside at this time talking to their neighbour (a paramedic) who was at his car. KB asked him what she should do first – phone hospitals, police/911. The neighbour then phoned a couple of paramedic stations to see if there were reports of a hurt runner. He then told KB to call police and then check out hospitals. KB recalls that as she was speaking with the neighbour, BB was still out and came back before 9:00 am after which it was decided she and BB would check Cullen Park and Heber Down.

    Jan-13 8:30 AM KB advised and early MSM reports are that DRPS received a call to report JB missing at 8:30. KB said an officer arrived right away; LE took JB's laptop and had a look at KB's computer which JB sometimes used. They were able to access JB's Hotmail account because the family knew the password. KB says her email to JB regarding the Collingwood houses was unread. KB advises both vehicles were searched but no forensics done because not criminal investigation; K9s brought to the residence today but unable to get a good track.

    Jan-13 9:00 AM KB says BB was back home by this time after having searched for JB around the neighbourhood

    Jan-13 9:00 to 11:30 AM KB and BB searched trails through Heber Down (later changed to include Cullen Park, but said not neighbourhood). Says she and BB came home and crashed after searching.

    Jan-13 10:30 am Around this time, Alvin Crocker noticed a man who appeared to be in his 50s running southbound along McQuay Blvd. “He was going very slow for a jog”, and he assumed the man was coming to the end of his run. Mr. Crocker reported this information to LE (unknown when).

    Jan-13 12:00 Around noon LE informed KB about the Friday incident re the money in JB’s file cabinet

    Jan-13 12:00 KB says that after lunch she moved JB’s car from the garage to the driveway; KB said they emptied JB’s lunchbox this afternoon (changed to Weds, Jan 15)

    Jan-13 PM March 17 KB advises that she now believes BB went with neighbours to the waterfront the afternoon of Jan 13 but doesn’t know how many of the family went, thinks there at least 3

    Jan-13 PM KB contacted Principal who advised that on Friday Jeff was told they would have to discuss protocol re money, 'it is no big deal', 'not to worry about it', she would talk to him Monday.

    Jan-13 KB says it late Monday when she found the mouthguard was dry

    Jan-14 Esther reports her Monday morning sighting to LE's command post

    Jan-14 Recycling day for Gilchrist Court neighbourhood

    Jan-14 BB tweets to her Dad that she misses him

    Jan-14 Air, ground, canine searches commenced of trails and wooded areas near his home and within a 25 mile radius

    Jan-15 In a media interview on this date, BB said when JB came home from his run Sunday night “he got ready for school the next day”; KB says JB’s sister visited today and saw JB's lunch in the fridge; KB emptied lunchbox

    Jan-19 BB tweets to her Dad "I love you dad, always living your life to the fullest. Nobody else enjoys nature as much as you, I hope you're safe."

    Jan-20 LE says they have not ruled out any possibilities, including foul play

    Feb-03 LE say the possibility that JB fell and injured himself is becoming "less realistic" because he would have been found by now. Bank accounts and internet profiles have yielded no clues.

    Feb-03 Underwater search off Whitby Harbor pier of Lake Ontario started/concluded today without results

    Feb-03 Approx date LE state they are not ruling out a number of possibilities, including suicide or that JB may have run away.

    Feb-04 was scheduled date for follow-up appt with dentist

    Feb-12 Last time LE spoke with KB, no response to her subsequent emails or phone calls

    Feb-26 KB says she spoke with LE on this date but did not receive answers to some of the latest questions she had emailed them with. KB says she will now be keeping a list.

    Mar-6 Production company approached KB; they had hired a PI to study the case and were wanting to do a documentary wrt missing persons

    Mar-10 March break starts for schools. KB told production company she thinks she is interested

    Mar-10 KB advises she spent 1 hour with LE on phone discussing various things; LE advised they will put investigative effort into all ideas that they find of investigative value but some theories at WS are not being pursued; KB says this means we will not get answers/details to certain aspects (this includes the student on Sunday night and JBs filing cabinet money). KB says she will have more information on search locations/maps by the end of this week

    Mar-11 KB gave go-ahead to production company

    Mar-11 shoe found on Lake Ontario shoreline by person walking near Heydenshore Pavilion;

    Mar-13 KB is told by LE about the shoe, shown a picture, and she is sure it is JB’s. KB says it is a Nike shoe (model not revealed) with lacelocks and provided WS a sample photo of black, rounded lacelocks. KB advises that LE found what is believed to be a matching shoebox at the residence.

    Mar-14 KB met with LE and spoke with media at lakefront.

    Mar-14 6:00 PM Helicopter search over Whitby lakefront

    Mar-17 LE search at Whitby waterfront; MSM reports that LE says the shoe found last week appears to have come from water and washed ashore and that it was found about 10’ feet from the water. LE says the plan to bring in a Toronto Police Marine Unit boat to search but ice is a problem right now.

    Mar-17 KB advised that BB and other went to waterfront afternoon of Jan 13. Noted in above under date of Jan 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLSChook View Post
    I've been following this case (like most of you) since the beginning and I have to say that the past few days have just left me baffled and confused about the few facts in this case that we do have.
    Actually, I'm not even sure about those anymore.

    North or South?
    Did Esther see JB or not?
    Did BB call KaB or not?
    Did MB see the school email or not?

    My head is spinning.
    No worries JLS ... we'll have you unspun in no time

    PS: And that usually involves just spinning the spinnee in the other direction a whole bunch

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    Okay, I don't know how to quote it, but this is from MB's very first post on the forum:

    ... So Jeff had some money in his filing cabinet in the classroom (I do not know the amount), and the filing cabinet was stuck, his key would not open it, so he contacted the caretaker, and asked him to come 'anytime' to break open the cabinet. The caretaker came during period 2, broke the top drawer, and Jeff was not in that classroom at that time. So, the caretaker, realizing that the money should not be left in an open cabinet in a classroom, took the money to the office for safekeeping. Unfortunately, I don't know more. I know there were 2 ski trips that were coming up, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juli99 View Post
    Okay, I don't know how to quote it, but this is from MB's very first post on the forum:

    ... So Jeff had some money in his filing cabinet in the classroom (I do not know the amount), and the filing cabinet was stuck, his key would not open it, so he contacted the caretaker, and asked him to come 'anytime' to break open the cabinet. The caretaker came during period 2, broke the top drawer, and Jeff was not in that classroom at that time. So, the caretaker, realizing that the money should not be left in an open cabinet in a classroom, took the money to the office for safekeeping. Unfortunately, I don't know more. I know there were 2 ski trips that were coming up, that's all.
    Thanks, that's a lot of detail when I thought JB didn't tell mommybear about the money situation at all. JMO

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    I recall an earlier poster, who is also a teacher, saying (iirc) that they had at one time $10,000 in cash in their desk/cabinet. What IF there was a much larger amount in JB's cabinet, the cabinet had been jimmied, the money stolen, JB had the cabinet opened, only $3500 was left, and he knew a lot had been stolen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Thanks, that's a lot of detail when I thought JB didn't tell mommybear about the money situation at all. JMO
    My understanding is that mommybear was told all that info by LE on Monday. She knew nothing about it until then, and has not been given any additional details from the school district HR department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillybilly View Post
    My understanding is that mommybear was told all that info by LE on Monday. She knew nothing about it until then, and has not been given any additional details from the school district HR department.
    But if LE provided that level of detail to her about the money at the school, why not tell her about a neighbour's sighting of JB on that morning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillybilly View Post
    My understanding is that mommybear was told all that info by LE on Monday. She knew nothing about it until then, and has not been given any additional details from the school district HR department.
    JB is still likely employed by his school board and is still a member of his local union. Mommybear should, IMO, request the assistance of the union branch lawyer to assist her with finding out more about this issue. ASAP. JMO

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    quoted respectfully

    "It is very possible that the School Board may be concerned that the contents of this email may have led to JB's disappearance, or worse. They are most likely in full CYA mode here."

    THANK YOU. Just hitting the thanks didn't do it for me

    Also note the school board's dragging out a response to KB started well before the sad death of fellow teacher Mr. Queen.

    It's not all about any allegation that JB misused the money collected for the school trips.We are told by a school board member that no funds were misused.

    It's not all about if he didn't follow a rule about where to keep the money.
    He didn't follow a rule. But we are told there were no funds missing, nor any misused, in a statement by Mr. Hicks. So there were no monetary repercussion for not following the rule.
    But yes a procedure was not followed regarding the collection and storage of the money.

    It is the context.

    It's how the principal handled the issue and what effect it may have had on Mr. Boucher. It is my position that KB, as his wife, seeking to know all she can relative to the days before his disappearance, and her husband's state of mind, needs to know the contents of this email.

    If we never see it, fine, although naturally yes I would like to see it.
    I am standing up for her right to see it.

    No matter whose 'A' needs covering. Justice is not done by always acquiescing to what is comfortable, or needs covering.


    nb: I guess I am a prototypical pushy American. If this was my school board stonewalling this, I would organize protesters on the very edge of school property (so they could not throw us out and/or arrest us) and call every news media outlet I know.

    This is a man's life, this is his wife, (sadly, possibly, his widow) asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLilly View Post
    Huggs Neesaki...Im leaning that way too. Im beginning to believe he would have been found by now but didnt want ti be found
    Yes, I didn't and still don't want to believe this. And I still think there's some chance that he may have just left.

    However, the accident theory seems less likely, imo. He knew the area and what to do / not do, where to go / not go in those conditions. And then the Sunday night long period of time he was missing is key, and a strong indicator of something else, imo.

    As far as the foul play scenario, I just don't know. If that is the case, I would think it would be if he somehow got himself involved with someone who ended up being mentally unstable and dangerous.

    Idk, I had leaned away from the suicide angle, because I believed that MB knew her husband well enough to know. But some people, though not usually the case, go through life behind a facade and never let anyone fully see their real self, even those closest to them. I don't know if this was the case with JB, but maybe it's possible.

    Of course, as sure as I say this, the furthest thing from my mind may end up being the truth. That's ok though, I just hope and pray that he is found and this doesn't end up growing completely cold. How horrible that would be for MB and the girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jantour View Post
    I know many school admins get caught up in the rules and regs, but I am surprised/bothered/confused why on earth the principal can't show some heart and just call Mommybear for an "off the record" conversation to clear up what happened on Friday and what was going to happen Monday. Given what just happened with DQ, the admin should know that this would spark "what if" thoughts about JB.
    Or even if the principal calls her and says: here are the legal/bureaucratic/ethical reasons I can't discuss the matter with you. Some sort of response so that mommybear will then know the avenue she will have to take in order to find out the answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I absolutely agree. I've had a colleague's life ruined because of how admin. dealt with allegations and now this recent case of the teacher who killed himself before he was told he was cleared of any wrongdoing.
    I'm as lost as many others with so many posts to read and ponder, but I must say that I do wonder why the family of the late DQ was permitted to know details about allegations involving him? To my knowledge they were even updated rather quickly to let them know the issue had all been resolved?

    Sadly in DQ's case the information did not arrive soon enough for him or his heartbroken family who went to great lengths together to search for him.

    Why if such sensitive or private info could be divulged to DQ's family in a crisis situation, would information about JB including the Sunday email from the principal not be divulged to JB's family?

    I think and rethink everything about JB's situation, and it would be nice to know all the missing facts, although I do trust somehow LE can justify the lack of disclosure in JB's case. I sure hope so.

    BlessU

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    Quote Originally Posted by periwinkle blue View Post
    But if LE provided that level of detail to her about the money at the school, why not tell her about a neighbour's sighting of JB on that morning?
    I question this too. You would think confirming that JB wore shorts while running in the winter would be an important thing for them to check out to make sure this sighting was legit. I would never wear shorts on a winter run and people who know me could confirm in a heartbeat that it wasn't me. Or me behaving normally I should add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leverhume View Post
    ... perhaps LE doesn't want KB speaking to some of its witnesses i.e. the principal is accomodating the requests of LE

    If that is the case the school board can have their legal department draw up at letter explaining whatever they need to explain. Or even explaining that LE told the board not to explain. No names need be given, therefore no potential witnesses.

    as long as we are exploring 'perhaps' scenarios,

    - perhaps the school board is unhappy that the principal promised KB a call, and the school board is trying to find a way to walk back from that.

    - perhaps they (the School Board) are overall unhappy with the way the principal has handled the entire situation.
    Last edited by LittlePieces; 03-21-2014 at 06:42 PM. Reason: grammar,clarification

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