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    Quote Originally Posted by MyBelle View Post
    What was the comment about? I'm curious.
    I'd have to go looking through blogs I haven't read in over a year, but if my memory serves me right, the juror made a comment about only JY would have cared enough to clean off the daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyBelle View Post
    I dunno. I think there is a strong possibility Young is innocent. Abaroa, uh, not so much.
    Innocent or guilty, one way to ensure that it all comes to an end is to take the Alford Plea. I think that if I were in that situation, that would be my choice, especially since the possibility of life in prison is very real. I don't think it will change anyone's opinion. Those that believe he is guilty will still believe that even if he is found not guilty.

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    Everyone's got an opinion but there was no jury malfeasance that was proved and this after the SBI independently investigated the jury after the trial.

    I go purely by evidence and I know that circumstantial evidence is oftentimes stronger than direct evidence and each piece by itself won't show the whole picture, but it has to be looked at in totality with all the other evidence.

    Here we have direct evidence (eyewitness who had a direct run in with JY at the gas station at 5:30am) and yet she is not believed. Yet people who say they could not convict on circumstantial evidence want direct evidence. They get it, but then they don't believe it. You really can't use logic when dealing with noncritical thinkers. (talk about emotion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    Innocent or guilty, one way to ensure that it all comes to an end is to take the Alford Plea. I think that if I were in that situation, that would be my choice, especially since the possibility of life in prison is very real. I don't think it will change anyone's opinion. Those that believe he is guilty will still believe that even if he is found not guilty.
    But then he'd never have a chance of seeing his daughter again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Everyone's got an opinion but there was no jury malfeasance that was proved and this after the SBI independently investigated the jury after the trial.

    I go purely by evidence and I know that circumstantial evidence is oftentimes stronger than direct evidence and each piece by itself won't show the whole picture, but it has to be looked at in totality with all the other evidence.

    Here we have direct evidence (eyewitness who had a direct run in with JY at the gas station at 5:30am) and yet she is not believed. Yet people who say they could not convict on circumstantial evidence want direct evidence. They get it, but then they don't believe it. You really can't use logic when dealing with noncritical thinkers. (talk about emotion).
    There were some serious issues with the identification of Young at the gas station. The witness described a short man, and she was shown only one photo for identification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    The daycare stuff, didn't CY have a female doll attacking the mommy doll?

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    Yes, but it was the only "human" doll (there were also play animals, etc., in the bucket) that had short hair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Everyone's got an opinion but there was no jury malfeasance that was proved and this after the SBI independently investigated the jury after the trial.

    I go purely by evidence and I know that circumstantial evidence is oftentimes stronger than direct evidence and each piece by itself won't show the whole picture, but it has to be looked at in totality with all the other evidence.

    Here we have direct evidence (eyewitness who had a direct run in with JY at the gas station at 5:30am) and yet she is not believed. Yet people who say they could not convict on circumstantial evidence want direct evidence. They get it, but then they don't believe it. You really can't use logic when dealing with noncritical thinkers. (talk about emotion).
    The gas station attendant had her brains on the pavement and suffered from memory loss. She was only shown JY's photo. They didn't show her a photo array, they didn't put JY in a lineup. They showed her one photo of Jason Young, and asked if this was the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    But then he'd never have a chance of seeing his daughter again.
    What would prevent him from spending time with his daughter? She must be around 10 years old now. In 8 years, as an adult, she will make her own choice. I would hope that she is having regular contact with her father's family, and that she has not been poisoned against him. The Alford Plea is not an admission of guilt, so I'm unclear how that would interfere with a relationship with his daughter.

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    CY is a smart girl. At 2 she was already showing her intelligence. She didn't have dolls that exactly replicated what she saw so she used what she had available to her. She selected the doll that most was like her mommy. She selected another doll that had short light hair and was (IMO) the closest match to who committed the murder. Her only other choice was a male doll with dark hair, wearing a surgical outfit. Other than that the other toys in the bucket were animals, weebles and nothing else that looked as human as those 3 dolls she selected did. And no one was prompting her to play; she did this all on her own. She was reenacting what she witnessed in the way that she could at that age and with what she had available.

    CY would not understand a beating, she would not understand someone being bludgeoned to death. A 'spanking' was what she knew. The killer probably told her why he was "spanking" mommy. A 2 yr old might bite or may have friends who bite and be taught "no biting!". So that's something a 2 yr old would be corrected for doing and something they could and would understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borndem View Post
    Yes, but it was the only "human" doll (there were also play animals, etc., in the bucket) that had short hair.
    I'm skeptical of the daycare employee's interpretation of child play. As far as I understand, she had no formal training in early childhood behavior. Trained professionals rely on knowledge, experience, training, hours of observation, and a couple of university degrees to develop insight into what a child is thinking during play, yet we are asked to accept the interpretation of a young, untrained daycare employee that the child's play was related to a murder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    What would prevent him from spending time with his daughter? She must be around 10 years old now. In 8 years, as an adult, she will make her own choice. I would hope that she is having regular contact with her father's family, and that she has not been poisoned against him. The Alford Plea is not an admission of guilt, so I'm unclear how that would interfere with a relationship with his daughter.
    Well it'd probably prevent him from getting visitation or custody. The Alford plea counts as a guilty plea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    Well it'd probably prevent him from getting visitation or custody. The Alford plea counts as a guilty plea.

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    I doubt that it would be in the child's best interest to be subjected to a custody dispute at this time. In many places, a child's voice/preference is respected by the courts when the child is 14 years of age. At that time, the child might want a relationship with her father. I suppose that denying visitation could be a consequence of the Alford Plea, but, in my opinion, it's never benefits a child to interfere with a relationship with either parent.

    Either way, if the choice is life in prison, or release in a couple of years; possibly with disrupted relationships with friends and family, I think the Alford Plea is still the best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    I'd have to go looking through blogs I haven't read in over a year, but if my memory serves me right, the juror made a comment about only JY would have cared enough to clean off the daughter.

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    That doesn't even make sense. The want to believe the guy slaughtered his wife, then "cared" to clean off his daughter but then left her alone with the corpse for hours and hours? How could he predict she would remain clean? Is that even logical for a plot in a bad movie?

    From my own experience, females are more likely to care about cleanliness than males. I would think that would hold true with male killers. Young certainly had no shortage of women who wanted him as their own. Michelle was a beauty who would draw envy and jealousy. Beautiful home, successful career, great social life. It doesn't seem like cops every really looked anywhere but Jason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    I doubt that it would be in the child's best interest to be subjected to a custody dispute at this time. In many places, a child's voice/preference is respected by the courts when the child is 14 years of age. At that time, the child might want a relationship with her father. I suppose that denying visitation could be a consequence of the Alford Plea, but, in my opinion, it's never benefits a child to interfere with a relationship with either parent.

    Either way, if the choice is life in prison, or release in a couple of years; possibly with disrupted relationships with friends and family, I think the Alford Plea is still the best option.
    I think because he filed an immediate appeal, his parental rights are still intact and the court would award him visitation if he's out on bail. I don't know what kind of visitation he has now or what his parents may have. They may be bringing her to visit him in prison. He's the only parent she has and she has rights, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Everyone's got an opinion but there was no jury malfeasance that was proved and this after the SBI independently investigated the jury after the trial.

    I go purely by evidence and I know that circumstantial evidence is oftentimes stronger than direct evidence and each piece by itself won't show the whole picture, but it has to be looked at in totality with all the other evidence.

    Here we have direct evidence (eyewitness who had a direct run in with JY at the gas station at 5:30am) and yet she is not believed. Yet people who say they could not convict on circumstantial evidence want direct evidence. They get it, but then they don't believe it. You really can't use logic when dealing with noncritical thinkers. (talk about emotion).
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