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    Kurt at 20: thoughts? / Cobain 1994-2014

    "It was 20 years ago today / Sgt Pepper taught the band to play" etc. etc.

    Kurt Cobain, dead now these 20 years - thoughts, hopes, dreams desires?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fregObNcHC8

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    An opinion piece I read today mentions that he is the last "rock star." I've been thinking that may be true. I can't think of another musician who has been as iconic since he passed. The rappers are the rock stars now but who? Eminem? There may not be anyone else since Cobain who caused such a wave in musical culture as he did. JMO

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    What Kurt & the gang did -- besides of course produce some of the most amazing rock and roll in the last 50 years -- was pack in the powder, force the box "music" stores into stocking that which had influenced Nir-bleeping-vana: suddenly we in the flyover states had oodles of, yes, urgh, Melvins but, much more, good grunge, and also plenty-a divine Leadbelly & Vaselines....it set a stage for raising one's music conscientiousness not in land-miles traveled to pick up sonic nuances, a convenience of sound purchased nearby...

    It was as important, and perhaps more important, than Sgt. Pepper's....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post


    Wow, Thanks! it Rocks!

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    Here's one backatcha - Local PDX Oregon band circa 1980:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKineTjOpts

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    In fact, one of my favorite Nirvana songs is a Vaselines cover:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkkxsMwZiAc
    Last edited by amberjul; 04-05-2014 at 08:41 PM. Reason: Found a cleaner version

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    I'm feeling my age today. I was 23 and Nirvana was due to play the UK shortly after he died. It was such a shock. No internet back then, no Facebook or TMZ, no clue he was so depressed. I still wonder how someone with 3 times a lethal dose of heroin in him was able to load and shoot a shotgun into his head, but that's probably my dislike of Courtney showing.

    As for others who came after, if Eminem had died after the Marshall Mathers LP/8 Mile I think he'd be lauded in the same way as Kurt, 20 years later, as a visionary who brought a whole new music style to "the masses", i.e. those outside of urban American cities who had had no exposure to rap before.

    I'd heard of NWA, for example, but their music wasn't played on national radio. I was exposed to rap via Eminem, because he was played on Radio One and NWA, Wu-Tang Clan, etc. weren't.

    Eh, just my 2c. Just reflecting today.

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    Ah 'ere we go. This did it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg

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    au contraire

    ---A few days ago, I took the opportunity to listen to Nevermind – the era-defining 1991 Nirvana album had been reissued remastered a few years ago to tie in with its 20th anniversary – because I haven’t listened to it for several years. The opening chords of Smells Like Teen Spirit started up, the drums came crashing through and Kurt’s voice came out, plaintively singing those famous opening lines “Load up on guns/ Bring your friends” and … I didn’t recognise it.

    It wasn’t that I didn’t recognise the song. That’d have been crazy. It’s that I didn’t recognise the person singing the song. All I could hear were echoes of the bands and singers who came after Nirvana, the ones who diluted their performance and message and impact by slavishly following a formula that was never intended to be followed. All I could hear was this weird triple-tracked, brightening vocoder-type effect used on Kurt’s voice.

    I wondered how much of my inability to recognise the song was to do with the remastering – done, presumably, so the record would sound more "contemporary", with all the spatial FX and volume setting subtly adjusted to "correct" the original version. (That version, let’s not forget, managed to sell several million copies on its own merits, without any "correction" or brightening or volume "enhancement" effects, thank you.)

    So I had another listen. Unlistenable.

    All I could hear was Nickelback and Puddle of Mudd and Silverchair, and other bands too horrible to even whisper their names. I heard Phil Collins covering You Can’t Hurry Love.

    This was odd. Surely, my familiarity with the song – I had the “Hello/ Hello/ Hello/ Hello” refrain on my answerphone six months before Teen Spirit was released, as I thought it sounded funny – would override such niggling concerns? Surely, I could convince myself that the odd digital distortion here, the odd flattened dynamic there, shouldn’t affect my enjoyment of a song I felt such a strong personal connection to.---
    the rest here

    http://www.theguardian.com/music/mus...iversary-death


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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    yes.

    Thanks for that.
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    Kurt at 20: thoughts? / Cobain 1994-2014

    http://youtu.be/rjgzXEEWvF0

    Kurt (and Nirvana) has really had a big influence on my love of music. I started listening to them around '92 when I was 12 years old. I wish I could put into words the way I feel about Kurt as an artist and musician and person. But I'm horrible at that, so I'll just say the world lost a great artist 20 years ago.

    I'm also probably the only person here who has second thoughts about his 'suicide' (IMO). There really are some facts surrounding the whole case that make me question if he really might have been murdered. If you all are curious, I highly suggest checking out http://www.cobaincase.com

    This guy was a former P.I. hired by Courtney to find Kurt after he took off from rehab. He has first hand knowledge of things he personally witnessed which led him to investigate this for 20 years now. He is also part of a documentary coming out (hopefully) soon called 'Soaked In Bleach' that I really can't wait to see.

    Anyways, some might call me crazy about this, but as always, it's just my opinion so it doesn't mean I'm right!

    Rock on \m/
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    rachelle

    Tom Grant was everywhere for a few years after Kurt's death, talking about how he believed K was murdered. If you've never seen Nick Broomfield's documentary "Kurt and Courtney" you should check it out.

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    I know there may be compelling physical evidence that the forensic reports suggest something at the crime scene amiss, but why might Kurt have been murdered? Always has seemed a bit dire to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rachelle View Post
    http://youtu.be/rjgzXEEWvF0

    Kurt (and Nirvana) has really had a big influence on my love of music. I started listening to them around '92 when I was 12 years old. I wish I could put into words the way I feel about Kurt as an artist and musician and person. But I'm horrible at that, so I'll just say the world lost a great artist 20 years ago.

    I'm also probably the only person here who has second thoughts about his 'suicide' (IMO). There really are some facts surrounding the whole case that make me question if he really might have been murdered. If you all are curious, I highly suggest checking out http://www.cobaincase.com

    This guy was a former P.I. hired by Courtney to find Kurt after he took off from rehab. He has first hand knowledge of things he personally witnessed which led him to investigate this for 20 years now. He is also part of a documentary coming out (hopefully) soon called 'Soaked In Bleach' that I really can't wait to see.

    Anyways, some might call me crazy about this, but as always, it's just my opinion so it doesn't mean I'm right!

    Rock on \m/
    I have heard claims that Kurt Cobain was murdered.




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