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    Trial Discussion Thread #31

    Oscar Pistorius: South Africa gears up for its 'trial of the century'

    (CNN) -- He was one of South Africa's favorite sons, an amputee track star who defied all the odds and sprinted into the hearts of millions during the 2012 Summer Olympics in London. She was a staggering beauty with the brains to match, a law graduate and model whose star was on the rise.

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    Pistorius channel goes on air in South Africa

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    Watch live: Oscar Pistorius murder trial
    Follow events from Pretoria as paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius appears in court accused of murdering his girlfriend, the model Reeva Steenkamp.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...der-trial.html


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    Trial Discussion Thread #31

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    Glad to see many new members weighing in on the evidence of this case...



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    Thanks for the new thread

    .. here's a reminder of what might have been Roux's promised example of OP being able to scream like a woman ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr3oEOEpV-w


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    .. quote copied over from the previous thread ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Irisha View Post
    The prosecution still has defense witness's to question ( remember Dixon?). They have the right to reopen their case,under certain circumstances, and have closing arguments, it's far from over.
    I don't know why anybody would want it to be over, quite honestly. Even if they believe him to be innocent of knowing it was Reeva in the toilet, it's still a hideous thing to do to another human .. this would not just be a tragic accident, it would be a horrific one and one which deserves a lengthy prison sentence anyway.

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    I think this man could have screamed like a woman, in distress.

    ETA: Sorry about the blast from the past. Don't look if you're shocked by 70s fashion, or dancing.

    http://youtu.be/3X7PvU6qYEA
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    .. quote copied over from the previous thread ..

    Quote Originally Posted by molly333 View Post
    I know that.

    But don't you usually put the smoking gun into your case in chief?

    If you have one, that is.
    We all know there's no smoking gun.

    The smoking gun could have been on the 5th phone but that went walkies...

    It's now a case of versions, interpretations and probabilities based on the limited (and mostly circumstantial) evidence. Very difficult for both sides to 'prove'.

    However, the testimony of the DT witnesses is so damning IMO and OP under x-exam was so untrustworthy and unbelievable IMO, that it proves the state's case and the DT will struggle to create enough credible doubt to change that.
    IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    I think this man could have screamed like a woman, in distress.

    ETA: Sorry about the blast from the past. Don't look if you're shocked by 70s fashion, or dancing.

    http://youtu.be/3X7PvU6qYEA

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay-jay View Post
    I know, it's terrible! I still found my foot tapping though....
    We 'embraced' the missing Bob Harrod case as requested but 6 years on, are still waiting for further guidance


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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    I think this man could have screamed like a woman, in distress.

    ETA: Sorry about the blast from the past. Don't look if you're shocked by 70s fashion, or dancing.

    http://youtu.be/3X7PvU6qYEA
    LOL

    I have no idea how men reach those ranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    I know, it's terrible! I still found my foot tapping though....
    It was much, much worse than just "terrible."


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueDetective View Post
    .. quote copied over from the previous thread ..



    We all know there's no smoking gun.

    *snip*
    IMO
    You do? Then how come I always have everyone piling on me?

    Never mind. I don't want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueDetective View Post
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    We all know there's no smoking gun.

    The smoking gun could have been on the 5th phone but that went walkies...

    It's now a case of versions, interpretations and probabilities based on the limited (and mostly circumstantial) evidence. Very difficult for both sides to 'prove'.

    However, the testimony of the DT witnesses is so damning IMO and OP under x-exam was so untrustworthy and unbelievable IMO, that it proves the state's case and the DT will struggle to create enough credible doubt to change that.
    IMO
    With all due respect the smoking gun was literally found cocked on the bathroom floor.

    OP confessed to the killing.

    It's now up to OP to defend the taking of an innocent life. He initially claimed it was self-defense but now he's changed his defense.

    He says he didn't intend to shoot the gun at all.

    Does anybody believe him?

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    Originally Posted by molly333 View Post
    I know that.

    But don't you usually put the smoking gun into your case in chief?

    If you have one, that is.

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    The " smoking gun " took the stand and testilied, IMO

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    Carried over from the last thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by jay-jay View Post
    He might not have done, but lots of people do, and that is the whole idea of keeping them in prison before their trial comes up. It's a pre-emptive thing, it's not something which is done so that you ('one') can look back and say, "oh, well it was ok because that person didn't kill someone". That's a bit like not bothering to take out holiday/health insurance while visiting the US and then coming back after not needing to use the US health services and saying "there ya go, I didn't need my insurance anyway".

    I'm actually astonished by how so many are allowed out on bail, to be honest, but this is what happens when such people are let out on bail, in many instances ..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-on-bail.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-A-WEEK.html

    I'm guessing the reason for it is that we just don't have enough space in prison to keep them all.
    RBBM

    I think it's part of it - and so is jurisdiction and its subsequent legislation. I was floored by some defendants released on bail after just an initial court appearance once I moved here, especially coming from a standpoint of being so familiar with the American criminal justice system. In America, even if a defendant is granted bail (wholly dependent on each state's laws), they sometimes still cannot raise the necessary funds to be released pretrial, so in effect, many defendants are forced to await trial in custody. Here a surety is an exception where in America it is often the rule. (AFAIK...not precluding some obscure law I'm unfamiliar with.)

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-the-u...system-unfair/

    It's amazing, really, how many subtle and small differences there really are between the two countries - it never ceases to surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay-jay View Post
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    I don't know why anybody would want it to be over, quite honestly. Even if they believe him to be innocent of knowing it was Reeva in the toilet, it's still a hideous thing to do to another human .. this would not just be a tragic accident, it would be a horrific one and one which deserves a lengthy prison sentence anyway.
    Agree. Even if we give OP the benefit of the doubt that he did not know it was her in the toilet he still acted wrecklessly and at a minimum should be convicted of what here in the US would be something like "manslaughter" or worse.

    And someone even campared him to being brave and in the military which shocked me. If he was in the military and had done something like this he most likely would be court martialed.

    A careless wreckless act that results in someones death is usually punishible under the law. Whether it be manslaughter or culpable homicide or something like that.

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