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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkassoc View Post
    I followed this case in the beginning. I honestly thought it would be solved quickly. The crime took place in broad daylight! LE believed there was at least two perpetrators, as they were killed with different weapons. Samantha seemed to be the prime target. Nothing at all was missing from the home. LE in Bardstown have certainly had their share of controversy! Seems nothing gets resolved there, and such a beautiful town.

    I would love to see this horrible double murder solved, but I have my doubts with all the crime surrounding this little town from the top, down and sideways. Hopefully, someone will supply the information needed to bring these perpetrators to justice.
    -This case is being investigated by KSP, no by Bardstown or Nelson County LE.

    -At least three different types of weapons. Two killers?, three?, one? Sure they have no evidence of more than one.

    -No motive. Puzzling. Get in, kill, get out. Likely in 15 or 20 minutes.

    -KSP missed a great opportunity by hiding almost all the information about the crime. They bet everything to find the Impala, and I'm afraid they will never find it.
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    Two retired Kentucky State Police troopers are being called in to investigate multiple unsolved crimes in the Bardstown area.

    http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/2-e...421970033.html
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    I cant help but think this was an act of anger/jealousy against Kathy and a Samantha over her recent acceptance into the academy. Based on one of Kathy's Facebook posts, it sounds like it's very difficult to get into and she was not shy about boasting of samantha's accomplishments on FB. Could it have been another student/students parent who was trying to get into the same academy and acted out of jealous rage? Maybe wanting to open an extra spot into the academy? I know theories can sound wild sometimes, but at first glance and first impression, that's what I lean towards.
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    But why her among all those applicants? In fact, Samantha was initially rejected, and only invited when one of the elected rejected his seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulessa View Post
    Two retired Kentucky State Police troopers are being called in to investigate multiple unsolved crimes in the Bardstown area.

    http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/2-e...421970033.html
    While I'm glad to see (new) eyes on these cases, it seems like a mountain of work to be investigating ALL of them.

    Rumors have rumbled that there is a possible common denominator within them.

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    This case was what led me to WS a few years ago when it happened. I kept checking for news and believed LE would surely make an arrest shortly for these murders. Broad daylight and nothing stolen. Just boggles the mind. Why these two innocents? Having absolutely no motive makes it harder to solve, IMHO. If they could find a motive, they'll find the criminals, perhaps. I have wondered over the years if it was possible these murderers (more than one) could have gone to the wrong house for a drug related revenge killing? I hope LE get the clue they need to solve this case along with other cases that plague Bardstown.

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    Well, this is a common denominator:

    The murders of Jason Ellis, Kathy and Samantha Netherland and Tommy Ballard, and the disappearance (and almost certain the murder) of Crystal Rogers, all of them, happened in a full moon phase.

    It is probably a coincidence, but a pretty curious one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muy Curioso View Post
    It is probably a coincidence, but a pretty curious one.
    Local LE aren't releasing many details about these cases because they are all involved in some way. Whether victim or perpetrator, they're involved. Jason Ellis was a local cop and Crystal Rogers was in a tumultuous relationship with a local cop when she disappeared. Her father was her father, so his death is also tied in.

    For the longest time, I didn't see how the Netherlands were connected to the other murders until I heard something through local gossip. I have no way to prove or disprove it, but apparently one of the Netherland girls babysat Crystal's kids. Gossip is gossip, but I've heard it from enough different sources that there has to be at least some truth to it.

    Due to the unique circumstances of his death, Ellis likely knew about another cop doing something illegal. If the Netherland girl indeed babysat for Crystal's kids, that would tie them to Crystal's disappearance and her father's murder. Even if the Ellis/Rogers cases aren't directly related, all of these murders stemmed from someone "knowing too much."

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    I have lived in Bardstown my entire life. I have always believed that the older sister was somehow involved. I've heard from her own family that her behavior at the funeral and at town events immediately following the murders, was eerily euphoric. She seemed to be happily basking in the attention. The murderer cut off her sisters hair, the LE thoughts she was a male when she was found. Just tragic. Her own aunt told me that the older sister was involved with a shady boy at college and she had recently asked her mother for money and was told no and that she was absolutely livid. JMO, certainly pray that this case gets solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bflocket View Post
    Local LE aren't releasing many details about these cases because they are all involved in some way. Whether victim or perpetrator, they're involved. Jason Ellis was a local cop and Crystal Rogers was in a tumultuous relationship with a local cop when she disappeared. Her father was her father, so his death is also tied in.

    For the longest time, I didn't see how the Netherlands were connected to the other murders until I heard something through local gossip. I have no way to prove or disprove it, but apparently one of the Netherland girls babysat Crystal's kids. Gossip is gossip, but I've heard it from enough different sources that there has to be at least some truth to it.

    Due to the unique circumstances of his death, Ellis likely knew about another cop doing something illegal. If the Netherland girl indeed babysat for Crystal's kids, that would tie them to Crystal's disappearance and her father's murder. Even if the Ellis/Rogers cases aren't directly related, all of these murders stemmed from someone "knowing too much."
    Crystal's boyfriend was not a police officer. His brother was. The Netherland family has said that she did not babysit for Crystal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by karenky View Post
    Crystal's boyfriend was not a police officer. His brother was. The Netherland family has said that she did not babysit for Crystal.
    His brother (the cop) was involved. At least after the fact, and that is proof that LE was involved in some way, shape or form regarding Crystal's disappearance. Brooks' brother wouldn't have been fired if he didn't try to steer the investigation away from the truth.
    That, along with Ellis' murder, definitely verify that there are shady things going on with the government and/or law enforcement in the county. Bardstown's gotten rid of its crooked mayor, but there's still plenty of corruption to go around.

    I said that the babysitter thing was just a rumor I heard. Where did you see anything about the Netherland girl not being the babysitter? I don't doubt you. I just hadn't heard one way or the other, at least in terms of "official news" news.

    I hope that the investigation(s) are moving forward. They talk about Crystal in the local news occasionally. But not about whether they are closer/further to figuring out what happened to her. It usually just involves the reward money and "If you know anything, call..."

    I've looked over Websleuths and many other crime websites over the years and it freaks me out that there's a thread on one of those websites talking about people that I've actually met. I knew of Crystal (as a Ballard) because she was a grade or two behind me in HS, but I didn't really hang out with her. NCHS wasn't a big school at all back then and was small enough to know at least someone's name and face whether you ran around together or not. I'd met Jason Ellis a few times before his murder and I met his (now deceased) K9 dog after his murder. His wife was a cheerleader a year or two younger than me and I don't know her well but I, somehow, hung out with a bunch of cheerleaders back in the day. And she was from my end of the county. The Netherlands lived near a friend of mine (or at least his parents) so I would occasionally drive past their home.

    And it was never common (at least until the past few years, it seems) to see Nelson County discussed on the news or online regarding unsolved crimes. There's the occasional murder, but those are generally solved fairly quickly. The only unsolved murder I can think of off of the top of my head is Lucinda Strange. She was found dead alongside the road close to a friend of mine's place. Officer Ellis' unsolved murder, at first, seemed to be an anomaly. But ever since his killing, unsolved murders seem almost commonplace around here and that's scary.

    When I read about the Netherland murders, I thought that the sister seemed "iffy." But since nothing's happened with her after all this time, I figured that the detectives had ruled her out. At least any info that's been released to the public. Whether one of the girls babysat for Crystal or not, tying these murders together actually kind of makes you (if a local) feel better.
    One big conspiracy theory isn't anywhere near as scary as knowing that there are several murderers living their "ordinary" day-to-day lives among us without knowing who they are or what they are capable of. And it ain't good when the murders of a teacher and one of her daughters are murders that are overshadowed by other crimes.

    Detectives say Brooks Houck killed Rogers
    Investigators say forensic evidence ties Nick Houck to cover up
    The Kentucky Standard (Bardstown, Ky)
    Brooks Houck confronted Crystal Rogers about her having an affair the night of July 3 while the two of them were at his family’s farm, Houck overreacted and killed her, and then called his brother to help dispose of the evidence.
    “We all have times where something just happens,” Vaughn told Nick. “He probably found out that some other police officer or some other person in the town was cracking Crystal, and that very easily could happen … Your brother found out about it, confronted Crystal about it and when he did, he probably tried to maybe do something to her, as far as making her understand that wasn’t going to fly with him. And then after that point, maybe it went just a little bit too far.
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    I was so fascinated by case I'm up way past my bed time reading everything. I have a question of anyone who's researched this case. Early on in one of the articles I thought I read that they had DNA to analyze. Whatever happened with that? Was it a dead end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karmerding View Post
    I cant help but think this was an act of anger/jealousy against Kathy and a Samantha over her recent acceptance into the academy. Based on one of Kathy's Facebook posts, it sounds like it's very difficult to get into and she was not shy about boasting of samantha's accomplishments on FB. Could it have been another student/students parent who was trying to get into the same academy and acted out of jealous rage? Maybe wanting to open an extra spot into the academy? I know theories can sound wild sometimes, but at first glance and first impression, that's what I lean towards.
    I just recently was reminded of this case and came to check out any progress. Would there not have been on file at the time, or still on file now, the ability to run that car info through a state wide database to see how many, and who owned, that year range, make and model, of vehicle, within say a 150-200 mile radius? By now, though, I see that car as being destroyed, or driven into a river, or lake.

    Just at first glance, one thing that stands out to me on this FB post is, obviously, Mom was boasting, but,it also says; "no matter what's going on in her life". I know her father was sick, and passed, in July, 2013 and I'm sure that was just awful, (for the entire family) but I feel like she might have meant, in addition to that, since this is eight months later. Also, I can't help but feel that some of these SN posts had a purpose beyond just proud mom's bragging rights. She went into pretty big detail on the youngest's, SN's, achievements. It seems SN was a very bright young lady, (as was her older sister). Maybe mom just lived vicariously through her youngest's achievements, or maybe she felt SN needed extra encouragement because of things "going on in her life". I wonder what those "things" were?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bflocket View Post
    His brother (the cop) was involved. At least after the fact, and that is proof that LE was involved in some way, shape or form regarding Crystal's disappearance. Brooks' brother wouldn't have been fired if he didn't try to steer the investigation away from the truth.
    That, along with Ellis' murder, definitely verify that there are shady things going on with the government and/or law enforcement in the county. Bardstown's gotten rid of its crooked mayor, but there's still plenty of corruption to go around.

    I said that the babysitter thing was just a rumor I heard. Where did you see anything about the Netherland girl not being the babysitter? I don't doubt you. I just hadn't heard one way or the other, at least in terms of "official news" news.

    I hope that the investigation(s) are moving forward. They talk about Crystal in the local news occasionally. But not about whether they are closer/further to figuring out what happened to her. It usually just involves the reward money and "If you know anything, call..."

    I've looked over Websleuths and many other crime websites over the years and it freaks me out that there's a thread on one of those websites talking about people that I've actually met. I knew of Crystal (as a Ballard) because she was a grade or two behind me in HS, but I didn't really hang out with her. NCHS wasn't a big school at all back then and was small enough to know at least someone's name and face whether you ran around together or not. I'd met Jason Ellis a few times before his murder and I met his (now deceased) K9 dog after his murder. His wife was a cheerleader a year or two younger than me and I don't know her well but I, somehow, hung out with a bunch of cheerleaders back in the day. And she was from my end of the county. The Netherlands lived near a friend of mine (or at least his parents) so I would occasionally drive past their home.

    And it was never common (at least until the past few years, it seems) to see Nelson County discussed on the news or online regarding unsolved crimes. There's the occasional murder, but those are generally solved fairly quickly. The only unsolved murder I can think of off of the top of my head is Lucinda Strange. She was found dead alongside the road close to a friend of mine's place. Officer Ellis' unsolved murder, at first, seemed to be an anomaly. But ever since his killing, unsolved murders seem almost commonplace around here and that's scary.

    When I read about the Netherland murders, I thought that the sister seemed "iffy." But since nothing's happened with her after all this time, I figured that the detectives had ruled her out. At least any info that's been released to the public. Whether one of the girls babysat for Crystal or not, tying these murders together actually kind of makes you (if a local) feel better.
    One big conspiracy theory isn't anywhere near as scary as knowing that there are several murderers living their "ordinary" day-to-day lives among us without knowing who they are or what they are capable of. And it ain't good when the murders of a teacher and one of her daughters are murders that are overshadowed by other crimes.

    Detectives say Brooks Houck killed Rogers
    Investigators say forensic evidence ties Nick Houck to cover up
    The Kentucky Standard (Bardstown, Ky)
    The family has stated on the official Facebook page that to their knowledge no one in the family babysat the Ellis kids or Crystal's kids, so that's probably where the OP saw that information.

    I just read up on this thread because Crystal's thread made me curious. I have been following Crystal's disappearance from the beginning, as well as the Ellis murder.

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    I have a couple of questions. Someone mentioned that Samantha's hair had been cut. Is this a rumor or something LE said? Also, do we know the total amount of life insurance on Kathy and Samantha?

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