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    WITNESS THREAD: Warrant Officer Barend Van Staden, Crime Scene Photographer

    WARRANT OFFICER BAREND VAN STADEN

    Day 11, Part 1 - 50:00-end

    Day 11, Part 2 - start-to-end

    Day 11, Part 3 - start-to-end


    Day 12, Part 1 - start-to-end

    Day 12, Part 2 - 00:00-54:07


    DAY 11 VIDEO

    DAY 12 VIDEO


    DAY 11 LIVE TRANSCRIPT

    DAY 12 LIVE TRANSCRIPT


    Please note: When comparing witnesses' testimony to OP's version - no matter if it is used to support or impeach - please be prepared to note the video # and time stamp if asked to "link it up". That is common courtesy. It's always how we've rolled around here and that is expected. So take notes if you anticipate you will have a point to make regarding something specific.

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    Posted in the Timeline thread, 17 March 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by minor4th View Post
    UPDATED: Van Staden's timeline according to photo metadata and testimony.

    Entries marked with ** are times after which crime scene had been disturbed and evidence moved about.



    FEBRUARY 14

    04:50 a.m. - Straden arrived, Botha told him what happened and took him through the scene (first time)

    * Straden then asked Both to clear scene

    * Straden then went to garage

    * Straden conducts PR test on OP's arms

    5:12 a.m. Straden takes 4 photos of OP in garage (Photos #155-158)


    5:15 a.m. - Went to front and photographed entrance (photo #2)


    5:16 a.m. - 5:43 a.m. -takes photographs of scene inside, including downstairs and Reeva's injuries, (photos #3 -13; #132 - 155)


    5:45 a.m - 5:50 a.m - Staden photographs crime scene going up he stairs (photos #14 - #27)


    5:51 a.m. - 5:55 a.m. - Staden photographs upstairs hallway and area outside OP bedroom (photos #27 - #39)


    5:55 a.m.- 5:56 a.m. - pictures of the contents of display case and wide angle view of display case (photos #51m #53, #54)


    5:58 a.m. - Staden starts taking photographs in bedroom (photo #55)
    * Photo # 56 -fan, duvet, ipad, grey t shirt 5:58

    * Photo # 68 - duvet, jeans, black fan unplugged

    * Photos #72,#73 - bedroom, sandal is seen, overnight bag on couch

    * Photo #76 -spots on wall- above left headboard
    5:59 a.m. - Photo of bedroom looking toward bathroom (photo #60, #77)


    6:00 a.m - Staden photographs the overnight bag on the couch (photo #78) and the thermometer switched off (photo #79)


    6:01 a.m. - photograph of watches in case with blood smear (photo #67)


    6:01 a.m. - 6:06 a.m. - photos hallway to bathroom, cartridge case, view into bathroom from hallway, close up of cartridge case, blood drops (photos #80-87)


    6:06 a.m. - 6:10 a.m. - Bathroom pics, panels, cricket bat right side up, cartridges, towels, splinters (photos #88,89, 90, 91, 92,, 97 -103, 110-112,119-121 )


    6:10 am - 6:13 am - Photos of toilet cubicle (photos #122-128)


    6:14 a.m. - towel, gun, phone (photo #104)


    6:16 a.m. door with panels out (photo #113)


    **6:17 a.m. - close up of gun (photo #105)


    **6:18 a.m. - close up, front and back of black cell phone (photos #106, 107)


    **6:19 a.m. - white cell phone (towels have been moved at this point- VS put them in the bathtub) Botha took the cell phones (photos #108, 109)


    **6:21 a.m. - bedside table with a print magazine, possibly another phone, and holster on the table pushed against the back wall (photos #74, #75)


    ** 6:21 a.m. - cones and evidence markers in hallway where first cartridge found (photo #174)


    **6:23 a.m. - evidence markers and tape measures held next to cartridges (photos #175-178)


    **6:24 a.m. - bathroom, showing cone evidence marker and bat, towels have been moved, crime scene has been moved around (photo #179)
    *photo #180 - bathroom with cones, cricket bat changed, no cell phone (no time)

    *photo #181 - toilet cubicle - moved items to access evidence, magazine rack (no time)

    *photo #186 - toilet, no magazine rack (no time), 3 fragments (b4)
    6:27 a.m. - 6:32 a.m. - photographs of the outside of OP house (photos #164-171)


    **6:45 am - 6:50 am - photos of panels, door and damage in bathroom (photos # 94-96, 118)


    **7:01 a.m - 7:02 a.m. - photos of door panels, door, broken tiles in bathroom and toilet cubicle (photos #93, 114-117)


    **7:04 am - 7:05 am - other side of cricket bat with signatures and close up (photos #198, 199)


    **7:19 a.m. - close up of gun, slide pulled back (by fingerprints expert) and bullet from chamber of gun (photos #193, 195)


    **7:34 a.m. - 7:36 a.m. -duvet spread out by VS (photos #69 -71)


    7:39 - 7:40 a.m. - Staden takes 5 photos OP's prostheses (photos #159 - 163)


    **7:43 a.m. - another view of sunglasses display case (photo #52)


    **7:50 a.m. - 2 photos of "fragments" in the bathroom (after evidence has been moved about) (photos #129, 130)


    **7:59 a.m. - stereo in OP bedroom (photo #62)


    **7:59 a.m. -8:00 a.m. - various photos of OP's effects (medicine maybe?) (photos #63 -66)


    **8:02 a.m. - photo magazine and ammo pouch, found by Van Staden in the drawer on the right hand bedside table (photos #57 -#59)


    **12:06 pm -12:07 pm – Photos of damage to OP’s bedroom door (photos #41, #49, #50)



    FEBRUARY 15

    **15:31 – 15:32 (3:31 pm – 3:32 pm) – photos of bedroom door with holes and damage (photos #40, #42 - #48)



    MARCH 08

    ** blood spatter and measurements (marked as taken on 2/15) (photos #364, 366, 371, 373, 379, 391)
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    I'm still working on this and will add to it this evening, but I'm taking a dinner break. This timeline will be in at least two posts due to the number of pictures.

    UPDATED: Van Staden's visual timeline according to photo metadata and testimony.

    Entries marked with ** are times after which crime scene had been disturbed and evidence moved about.



    FEBRUARY 14

    04:50 a.m. - Straden arrived, Botha told him what happened and took him through the scene (first time)

    * Straden then asked Both to clear scene

    * Straden then went to garage

    * Straden conducts PR test on OP's arms

    5:12 a.m. Straden takes 4 photos of OP in garage (Photos #155-158)


    5:15 a.m. - Went to front and photographed entrance (photo #2)


    5:16 a.m. - 5:43 a.m. -takes photographs of scene inside, including downstairs and Reeva's injuries, (photos #3 -13; #132 - 155)


    5:45 a.m - 5:50 a.m - Staden photographs crime scene going up he stairs (photos #14 - #27)


    5:51 a.m. - 5:55 a.m. - Staden photographs upstairs hallway and area outside OP bedroom (photos #27 - #39)



    5:55 a.m.- 5:56 a.m. - pictures of the contents of display case and wide angle view of display case (photos #51m #53, #54)


    5:58 a.m. - Staden starts taking photographs in bedroom (photo #55)

    (Van Staden says this is the SECOND time he viewed this area of the crime scene)

    * Photo # 56 -fan, duvet, ipad, grey t shirt 5:58 - Van Staden says fan was off when he arrived

    * Photo # 68 - duvet, jeans, black fan unplugged


    * Photos #72,#73 - bedroom, sandal is seen, overnight bag on couch



    * Photo #76 -spots on wall- above left headboard


    5:59 a.m. - Photo of bedroom looking toward bathroom (photo #60, #77)




    6:00 a.m - Staden photographs the overnight bag on the couch (photo #78) and the thermometer switched off (photo #79)


    6:01 a.m. - photograph of watches in case with blood smear (photo #67)


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    6:01 a.m. - 6:06 a.m. - photos hallway to bathroom, cartridge case, view into bathroom from hallway, close up of cartridge case, blood drops (photos #80-87)

    **6:04 a.m. - Van Staden was in the passageway to the bathroom (photo # 81)
    **6:04 a.m. - COLONEL MOTHA PHOTO from balcony of main bedroom (photo #5368)
    **6:05 a.m. Van Staden is in the bathroom (photos #82 -87)
    **6:05:33 a.m. - Col Motha takes photo of the passageway between the bedroom and bathroom (photo #5378)
    **6:06 a.m. - 6:10 a.m. - Bathroom pics, panels, cricket bat right side up, cartridges, towels, splinters (photos #88,89, 90, 91, 92,, 97 -103, 110-112,119-121 )

    **6:06 a.m.
    **6:07 a.m. - Col Motha in the bathroom taking photographs (photo #5373)
    **6:07 a.m.
    **6:08 a.m. - Col Motha pictures inside the bathroom (photos #5374-5376)


    **6:09 a.m.
    **6:09 a.m. Col Motha photo in bathroom (photo #5369, 5377)
    6:10 am - 6:13 am - Photos of toilet cubicle (photos #122-128)
    **6:14 a.m. BOTHA ENTERS THE BATHROOM WHILE VS IS TAKING CRIME SCENE PHOTOS

    **6:14 a.m. - towel, gun, phone (photo #104)
    **6:16 a.m. door with panels out (photo #113)

    **6:17 a.m. - close up of gun (photo #105)
    **6:18 a.m. - close up, front and back of black cell phone, held by Botha (photos #106, 107)


    **6:19 a.m. - white cell phone (towels have been moved at this point- VS put them in the bathtub) Botha took the cell phones (photos #108, 109)


    Last edited by bessie; 05-03-2014 at 01:03 AM. Reason: added revisions per poster's request

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    **6:21 a.m. - bedside table with a print magazine, possibly another phone, and holster on the table pushed against the back wall (photos #74, #75)
    ** 6:21 a.m. - cones and evidence markers in hallway where first cartridge found (photo #173,174)
    **6:23 a.m. - Back in bathroom - evidence markers and tape measures held next to cartridges (photos #175-178)

    **6:24 a.m. - bathroom, showing cone evidence marker and bat, towels have been moved, crime scene has been moved around (photo #179)

    **6:25 a.m. - Photo taken byColonel Motha, gun/mat in different position than VS's photos (photo #5379)
    *photo #180 - bathroom with cones, cricket bat changed, no cell phone (no time)

    *photo #181 - toilet cubicle - moved items to access evidence, magazine rack (no time)

    *photo #186 - toilet, no magazine rack (no time), 3 fragments (b4)
    6:27 a.m. - 6:32 a.m. - photographs of the outside of OP house (2 people can be seen through the bathroom window in photo taken at 6:31 a.m. (Col Van Rensburg and unidentified policeman)(photos #164-171)
    **6:45 am - 6:50 am - photos of panels, door and damage in bathroom (photos # 94-96, 118)

    **6:57 a.m. - Van Staden photo #182 in the bathroom
    .**6:57:55 a.m Col Motha photo in bathroom of gun with slide and hammer in different position. Van Staden says he reprimanded Col Motha and asked him to vacate the scene when he learned Motha had handled the firearm (photo #5406)

    **6:58 a.m. - Van Staden photo in bathroom (photo #185)
    **7:00 a.m - 7:02 a.m. - photos of door panels, door, broken tiles in bathroom and toilet cubicle (photos #93, 114-117)
    **7:04 am - 7:05 am - other side of cricket bat with signatures and close up (photos #198, 199)
    **7:19 a.m. - close up of gun, slide pulled back (by fingerprints expert) and bullet from chamber of gun (photos #193, 195)
    **7:34 a.m. - 7:36 a.m. -duvet spread out by VS (photos #69 -71)
    7:39 - 7:40 a.m. - Staden takes 5 photos OP's prostheses (photos #159 - 163)


    **7:43 a.m. - another view of sunglasses display case (photo #52)

    **7:50 a.m. - 2 photos of "fragments" in the bathroom (after evidence has been moved about) (photos #129, 130)


    **7:59 a.m. - stereo in OP bedroom (photo #62)

    **7:59 a.m. -8:00 a.m. - various photos of OP's effects (medicine maybe?) (photos #63 -66)

    **8:02 a.m. - photo magazine and ammo pouch, found by Van Staden in the drawer on the right hand bedside table (photos #57 -#59)
    **12:06 pm -12:07 pm – Photos of damage to OP’s bedroom door (photos #41, #49, #50)
    FEBRUARY 15

    **15:31 – 15:32 (3:31 pm – 3:32 pm) – photos of bedroom door with holes and damage (photos #40, #42 - #48)
    FEBRUARY 16

    Photo #310
    MARCH 08

    ** blood spatter and measurements (marked as taken on 2/15) (photos #364, 366, 371, 373, 379, 391)
    Last edited by bessie; 05-03-2014 at 01:06 AM. Reason: added revisions per poster's request

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    http://harfordmedlegal.typepad.com/f...scene_pro.html

    Here's an interesting article about Crime Scene Procedures.

    This is the normal crime scene procedure:

    A. First responder: (Van Rensburg)
    "Physical evidence can be rendered useless by people wandering through the area. Every single person has the potential to destroy valuable evidence. It's the responsibility of the officer to prohibit access to anyone not directly involved with processing the site (including fellow officers)."

    So the first responder must:
    Find out if there is a need for medical assistance (Check) Confirm death. (Paramedic. Check.) Conduct scene walkthrough (Van Rensburg and Botha did this.) Take steps to preserve and protect area. (Check) Secure and isolate the crime scene using ropes or barricades. (Check) Exclude all unauthorized personnel from scene. (Check) Determine the lead investigator. (Check. Van Rensburg appointed Botha. Later it is Van Aardt.)
    B. Evaluation of the Area:
    During this phase the following must happen:
    Find the boundaries of the scene. (Check) Find the perpetrator’s entrance and exit. (Check.) Initial walk though of the scene to determine the strategy for documentation of the entire crime scene. (Botha. Van Rensburg. Van Staden. Check.)

    C. Documenting the Scene:
    Photography/Video, Sketching, Notes.
    There are three groups of photographs taken at various stages of the investigation. Each group of photographs is taken for specific reasons.
    Overall photographs: Before the scene is disturbed
    Mid-range photographs: Ongoing, during the investigation
    Close-up photographs: Ongoing, during the investigation
    Overall photos: Album 1 by Van Staden. Crime scene: Undisturbed.
    Photographs must be unaltered. (Check. Verified by admin clerk.)
    Overview photographs are taken of the entire scene. (Check.)
    The purpose is to include as much as possible in one photograph. (Check)
    And to ensure that each important item is in at least one photo. (Check)
    Should be taken before anything is disturbed. (Check)(Roux says not.)
    Photographs of physical evidence: must show the position and location relevant to the scene. (Check)
    Photographs of the body: should show the body's position relative to the scene. (Check)

    Mid Range Photographs: Van Staden. Various albums. (Check) Taken during the search/investigation.
    The purpose is to focus attention on a specific object.
    Scales should be used when indicated. Photos of wounds and bruises should be with and without scales.

    Close up Photographs: (Check) Van Staden. Various albums. Taken during the search/investigation.
    The purpose is show a specific aspect of an object up close.
    Photos showing injuries or weapons lying near the body are necessary. Patterns of injuries. And again after the body is removed, close up photos should be taken of the area underneath.

    Note the following:

    Only album A, the overall photographs, should be taken before anything is disturbed.

    As soon as Van Staden was done with the first set of photographs (Album 1 or overall photographs described below) other officers moved in to do the "thorough search" and maybe take their own photographs. To search means stuff must be moved.

    Other officers can take pictures too. There is no rule against it.

    The police photographer does not have to be alone while taking the photographs. Van Staden stated various times that, as the official photographer, it was his decision to do things a certain way. This is why I do not understand the whole Col. Motha thing. It was Van Staden's decision to be alone, but nothing stopped him if he wanted other people there. So he had absolutely no reason to lie about this. It was his prerogative to make these decisions because he was the official photographer.

    If new evidence is discovered during the search (the pistol's magazine, the phone under the mat, etc) this must also be photographed.

    D. Searching the Scene:
    "A thorough search is imperative and no important evidence should be overlooked. Failure to collect all pertinent evidence may lead to charges of negligence or tampering."

    E. Collection of Evidence:
    "The collection of physical evidence is vital to any crime scene search. The goal of collection is to maintain the integrity of the evidence."

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    Nice post... Did anybody explain the damage to op prospetic legs??

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    Minor4th, Thank you for putting photos to Bessie's great timeline. Both are so helpful.

    The photo you posted at 6:09 am shows that there is a tile from beside the WC door laying near the tub, towels and the larger plank from the door. It seems to have gone quite a distance. It is probably not important. It is just another piece of the puzzle.

    Tile and RS cell.jpg

    Here is a photo closer up. This probably fits into the time line at 6:06 am - 6:10 am.

    tile by lg plank.png

    I still have lots of questions arising from the crime scene photos.

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    homegirl - that timeline was one that I did a while back and posted in the timeline thread. Now that there is a separate thread re: van staden, bessie was kind enough to bring my post over here - and I'm trying to update it with additional info and pics.

    I've still got some major revisions to add re: Motha's pictures and their timestamps, so stay tuned.

    The large looking plank is kind of a visual distortion in that pic form the camera angle or lens. It is not as wide as it looks in that pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minor4th View Post
    homegirl - that timeline was one that I did a while back and posted in the timeline thread. Now that there is a separate thread re: van staden, bessie was kind enough to bring my post over here - and I'm trying to update it with additional info and pics.

    I've still got some major revisions to add re: Motha's pictures and their timestamps, so stay tuned.

    The large looking plank is kind of a visual distortion in that pic form the camera angle or lens. It is not as wide as it looks in that pic.
    It must have been quite a lot of work. I really appreciate it. That plank does look distorted there. I was curious about the tile lying near it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by homegirl View Post
    It must have been quite a lot of work. I really appreciate it. That plank does look distorted there. I was curious about the tile lying near it.
    Some of the tiles near the toilet door were broken during the incident. I assume they are from those broken tiles

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    Thanks, minor4th. I wish someone with better eyes than mine would look at pic #56 at 5:58 showing the balcony side of OP's bed and compare it to OP's story of walking along there on his stumps and feeling the curtains in search of Reeva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minor4th View Post
    Some of the tiles near the toilet door were broken during the incident. I assume they are from those broken tiles
    No doubt they were "broken during the incident". But precisely how? OP has not told us, not has he mentioned any aspect of "the incident" which usually breaks wall tiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nausicaa View Post
    No doubt they were "broken during the incident". But precisely how? OP has not told us, not has he mentioned any aspect of "the incident" which usually breaks wall tiles.

    Dixon said the reverberation of the bat and door broke those tiles adjacent to the door

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebinGA View Post
    Thanks, minor4th. I wish someone with better eyes than mine would look at pic #56 at 5:58 showing the balcony side of OP's bed and compare it to OP's story of walking along there on his stumps and feeling the curtains in search of Reeva.

    There are quite a few objects and cords in that area. If that is truly an untouched crime scene, it seems improbable that Oscar's description of walking there, feeling along curtains, etc is true.

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