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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem Snide View Post
    As in they are aware that these women are visiting Johns and waits for them to leave the premises, then abducts them? How would they have the prior knowledge that these women would be there?
    I see a guy who has a cab, does late night runs, knows when he gets a working girl in his cab... Maybe this area has a lot of hanky panky, and it's easy pickings...remote and active, what if these girls simply went out to oak beach and were never seen again..maybe it has nothing to do with who picked up Meagan...maybe it has more to do with where she ended up that day or evening..I just never looked at it this wY before...

    But it still doesn't explain Shannon running for her life...unless it's a coincidence and she was upset and then ended up in a killers web...

    Maybe someone who seems like a taxi, or a cop....here we go again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marble View Post
    I've followed this case since the beginning because when Shannan Gilbert first disappeared my neighborhood was completely plastered with her missing posters.

    Once LE started finding bodies along the road it brought back memories of the New Bedford/Fall River serial killer and the dumping of bodies along the highway between Providence and New Bedford. I was living in that area during that time and happened to be involved in a recreational activity that a lot of Fall River/New Bedford people in recovery were involved with as well. There was a lot of tension in the air and a lot of mistrust amongst people who may have come into contact with the victims or killer at some point unbeknownst to them.

    Probably because of this I was certain for a long time that Shannan was also a victim of the LISK, but as time passes (and after reading through a bunch of the threads here) I'm not so sure. I haven't been able to read every thread so far about what happened to her that night, but I'm starting to wonder if she ended up returning to one of the houses after her frantic flight.

    If so, she probably would have been soaked and freezing cold. What is whoever took her in gave her (or helped to dress her in) a new set of warm pajamas or a robe or something to get her out of her wet clothes, or perhaps to put her in a warm bath to try and get her body temp back up?

    Maybe at some point she died in that house, either from hypothermia, shock, and overdose, etc. and whoever had taken her in panicked and dumped her body in the marsh. If she had been wearing very tight (especially stretch or pegged) jeans they probably wouldn't have been able to get those back on her lifeless body if they were still wet, and so they instead dumped the jeans and her other belongings beside her when they placed her in the marsh or at a slightly later time?
    I like this theory, Marble. Perhaps because it's left nefarious than Shannan being outright killed by someone or tearing through the brambles & swamp during a bipolar episode.

    I tend to think Shannan was not a LISK victim (but I'm not 100% sold on that). My friend's 6 year old son has rapid-cycling bipolar. I've seen him go from sweet, caring kid to the Incredible Hulk in a flash. He has super-human strength (can bring down two adults trying to restrain him) and no fear when having an episode. I've read Shannan was bipolar (although I'm not sure what "type" of bipolar). I think, especially after seeing my friend's son have an episode, it is not so unreasonable to think Shannan went full force into the brambles that LE said they couldn't/wouldn't get through and ended up in the swamp. LE saw the brambles would make or difficult and reassessed going into them. Someone having the type of episode my friend's son had would not even be phased about running into brambles that would hurt them or be difficult to maneuver through. They'd just plow right through them, even with pain. I can even see her taking off her pants if the brambles got stuck in them. It would not be rational thinking; it would be full-force, full-speed ahead without rational thoughts. Maybe even more so if she was also high.

    (I am obviously assuming a lot about the episode/breakdown Shannan was having here and may be completely wrong. It's just something I thought about when I saw my friend's son have his episode. It took three adults to restrain this average sized six year old. If he was running like Shannan, I don't think brambles or swamp would stopped him from going far if he had wanted.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyHop View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    phones, webpages, taunting phone calls......I bet is someone was stealing tax money from them randomnly they would be found.
    Actually the vast majority of tax cheats are never caught. There is an entire underground economic sector called the black economy that does just that, and it is a huge problem for government since they take a big revenue hit because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem Snide View Post
    As in they are aware that these women are visiting Johns and waits for them to leave the premises, then abducts them? How would they have the prior knowledge that these women would be there?
    Not possible. Any prostitute that visited that community would have been taken there by her own driver, so no one was going to be laying in wait for them to leave. The driver would have a few things to say about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minazoe View Post
    I see a guy who has a cab, does late night runs, knows when he gets a working girl in his cab... Maybe this area has a lot of hanky panky, and it's easy pickings...remote and active, what if these girls simply went out to oak beach and were never seen again..maybe it has nothing to do with who picked up Meagan...maybe it has more to do with where she ended up that day or evening..I just never looked at it this wY before...

    But it still doesn't explain Shannon running for her life...unless it's a coincidence and she was upset and then ended up in a killers web...

    Maybe someone who seems like a taxi, or a cop....here we go again...
    You don't know how that business works. Those girls don't just get a cab to some remote community. If they did use a cab driver, it would be someone who had a long term arrangement to drive them about on their business, and not just some random cabbie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem Snide View Post
    As in they are aware that these women are visiting Johns and waits for them to leave the premises, then abducts them? How would they have the prior knowledge that these women would be there?
    I was about that too, until I thought of how many times I used taxi's to go on calls. It was standard procedure to ask the cab driver to come back in 45 min. (rather than a "will call" return trip.) It was time saving (I didn't have to spent unpaid for time waiting for a cab at the clients house) and safer (At least I thought) because, I could tell the client that the cab driver was coming back..

    So, they would have prior knowledge, if any of the girls caught a cab out there and told the driver to come back to get her.

    I think most cab drivers are smart enough to figure out the nature of the trip.

    There wouldn't be a record of the return cab ride because, it would be up to the driver to report it to the cab company.

    I think that a cab driver would make a good occupation for the killer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tugela View Post
    You don't know how that business works. Those girls don't just get a cab to some remote community. If they did use a cab driver, it would be someone who had a long term arrangement to drive them about on their business, and not just some random cabbie.
    I'm not sure I understand why you think that they wouldn't "...just get a cab to some remote community." Why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiceforever View Post
    I'm not sure I understand why you think that they wouldn't "...just get a cab to some remote community." Why not?
    I'm not answering for Tugela. But if I was a working gal, I wouldn't want to risk paying cab fare to some remote place in bumble. What if the John has passed out/left/decided he doesn't want you there? Then you're out a nice amount of cash, I would think.

    Plus, hasn't it been established that in at least a few instances the LISK picked up his victims?

    Dunno. Just my thoughts. Could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem Snide View Post
    I'm not answering for Tugela. But if I was a working gal, I wouldn't want to risk paying cab fare to some remote place in bumble. What if the John has passed out/left/decided he doesn't want you there? Then you're out a nice amount of cash, I would think.

    Plus, hasn't it been established that in at least a few instances the LISK picked up his victims?

    Dunno. Just my thoughts. Could be wrong.
    That happens occasionally, sometimes you come out on the ass end. However, usually a cancellation fee is paid, which goes to the driver. A "regular" driver is going to expect gas money (even with a call that doesn't pay) so either way, you take that chance.

    I don't think that it's been established that LISK was the one who picked up any of the victims. It's been speculated about, but established? I could be wrong. (It happens.)
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    I think that Dave Schaller, who was Amber Lynn Costello's roommate, believes he saw the car that Amber was picked up in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clem Snide View Post
    I think that Dave Schaller, who was Amber Lynn Costello's roommate, believes he saw the car that Amber was picked up in.
    I remember reading something like that somewhere. (No idea where so I can't confirm or deny)

    I would think if that were true, he should be able to give a description of it to police and I haven't seen a description of the last known vehicle she got in anywhere. Have you?

    Whoever picked her up doesn't necessarily have to be the killer though. YKWIM?
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    Well I for one have gone round and round on LISK ..but for some reason in my head it always felt like the connection with oak beach...was just that it was a dump site...and these girls could have been anywhere and yet they all ended up together, the prostitutes of oak beach..right? Shannan really brought us there... But because of the way she died we started to look at a local suspect, someone in the cul de sac. ...

    Not all of these girls had drivers...is it easy to get a cab during the summer season? Is there a vibrant business for call girls out there ? Vaccation homes etc? Could you take a cab to New Jersey and get a train where ever? ... I know Amber was seen getting into a car, but what if it took her to Oak Beach?

    I guess I'm thinking that maybe it's not that they all went to the same John and were murdered, but what if they all got in the same cab? Wasn't that Days Innn that was it meaghan was in, wasn't it nearby ?

    What if Shannan could have made it to the road? What if she was picked up by someone very familiar with the area?

    How did Shannan manage to die in an upright position? Was she leaning on something?

    Do working girls know this stretch of homes? This area and the neighboring one? Is this a money pot at the right time of year? How can we know they never went there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiceforever View Post
    I remember reading something like that somewhere. (No idea where so I can't confirm or deny)

    I would think if that were true, he should be able to give a description of it to police and I haven't seen a description of the last known vehicle she got in anywhere. Have you?

    Whoever picked her up doesn't necessarily have to be the killer though. YKWIM?
    He talked about it in the 48 Hours special about the case. If memory serves, he believes he saw the vehicle, but was intoxicated and can't recall any specifics about the make, model or license plate. He seemed pretty broken up about it. Given his insobriety, I guess it has to be taken with a grain of salt, but my gut told me he was telling the truth. Then again, my gut tells me many things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI1987 View Post
    Newsday ran an article today on the fourth anniversary (already? 5/1/2010 seems just like yesterday ...) of Gilbert's disappearance. Not much new except an interview with former SCPD 3 star Chief of Detectives Dominick Varrone. Varrone seems convinced that Shannan's death is unrelated and that she was NOT murdered.

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/s...ater-1.7879850

    Ill post some snippets, I will go ahead and post the whole article if the admins give the ok as Newsday hides their articles behind a paywall and only subscribed Cablevision users can access.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Tugela View Post
    You don't know how that business works. Those girls don't just get a cab to some remote community. If they did use a cab driver, it would be someone who had a long term arrangement to drive them about on their business, and not just some random cabbie.

    So, these girls are willing to put their lives on the line on a daily, sometimes hourly basis by meeting strangers for sex but they draw the line at random cabbies? Alrighty then..

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