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    Poland - Searching for long lost twin Jeno Gottesman "A7734"

    I've got to be honest and say this is a difficult one to know where to fit in the forum, so if there's somewhere better for this thread, please feel free to move it mods. I put Poland as a prefix because the twins were originally Polish but Elias now lives in Tel Aviv.

    Anyway, I thought this would be suitable for websleuths as in a way it's still an active search, and the people concerned are actively using the internet and social media in part of their search.

    The story is about twin boys, Elias and Jeno Gottesman who were in Auschwitz, under Doctor Mengele when they were four years old. They were separated around the time of the liberation of the camp and Elisa was adopted. He is now looking for his twin Jeno, or "Jolli" Gottesman with the help of an Israeli genealogist Ayana Kimron

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2870129.html

    The facebook page that has been set up is called "A7734" which is the number that Jeno was assigned in the camp and will have tattooed on him.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/A7734/499971010060858

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    They came from a small village in Ukraine. Their mother was killed searching for them in 1946, having survived the war. Perhaps she went back to the Ukraine to look for them. It was a terrible place for Jews to be, both during and after the war.

    It is a miracle one twin survived but miracles do sometimes happen in pairs. It's thought Jeno was taken east, not west, so that will make him harder to find I'm afraid, as I think his identity would probably have been completely changed.

    I believe there are other, older survivors of Mengele's experiments still living. The lady with the terrible, terrible scars on her leg springs to mind, if anyone can recall her name? I wonder if they have been asked if they remember the twins? Vital information has been received that way before.

    Link to the Ukranian info.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/re-un...733-and-a7734/
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    Duh. Eva Mozes Kor of course, the founder of Candles. She was one of the surviving twins. She is in Indiana.

    There were only 200 children in the children's camp when it was liberated. The Gottesman twins would have spoken Russian so I suppose it was a Soviet liberator nurse who took Jeno east?

    http://www.candlesholocaustmuseum.org/about/eva-kor.htm
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    Missing Jeno 'Jollie' Gottesman as a child.

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    Some surviving children, Auschwitz 1945.

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    Did anyone see the Facebook link that someone posted of a man who resembles Elias and whose name is Jeno? Any thoughts? Ages don't seem to match up judging by pictures on the man's Facebook, but anything is possible!

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    So I can't find the links from the articles and FB to the Candles Holocaust site. As this is THE resource for zwillinge (twins) victims of Mengele, it's puzzling. Can anybody find them? This is what I get:

    http://www.candlesholocaustmuseum.org/Twinlist_04.htm

    It would be odd if these survivors hadn't been approached for information, as some of them have very good memories of their time there.
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    I did find this though - could this also be our little missing Jolli on the right, as well as the left?
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    I'm a bit disappointed that the FB doesn't have anything in Russian either. Are they convinced Jolli was taken to the US, or just hoping if he went to Russia, he or his descendants will find and understand an English-language website?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    So I can't find the links from the articles and FB to the Candles Holocaust site. As this is THE resource for zwillinge (twins) victims of Mengele, it's puzzling. Can anybody find them? This is what I get:

    http://www.candlesholocaustmuseum.org/Twinlist_04.htm

    It would be odd if these survivors hadn't been approached for information, as some of them have very good memories of their time there.
    http://candlesmuseum.drupalgardens.c...bout-survivors

    Go to twins list A7733 & 7734 are listed as not being found by Candles

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    Grrr. I completely forgot about the changing borders in Europe. Mr Z has just pointed out to me that the Gottesman twins could NOT have been from Ukraine, during this period.

    They were from Munkacs, a region which was given to Czechoslavakia ( now the Czech Republic) in 1919, after WW1, and then handed to Hungary in 1938.

    So the twins would have been amongst the swathe of Hungarian Jews transported from Munkacs in 1944. They would have been recorded as Hungarian at the camp, even though that village is part of Ukraine today (which looks like it's about to become part if Russia again at the moment, but I'd better not get into that.)

    The reason I am going on about this is because it could make a big difference in the language the twins spoke - they may not have spoken Russian at all. It's important in the sense that if Jeno is deceased, there may only be family members left who knew grandpa was originally Russian/Hungarian, so it could make a big difference.

    I guess the the twins's history was actually discovered through the children's survivors' list from the Camp? Luckily, a list of all surviving children was kept, along with their KZL number tattooed on their arm. But I haven't managed to find a copy of the page with the twins' numbers on yet. They are handwritten, but the oages are easily readable, and they document the countries the children came from too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie2487 View Post
    http://candlesmuseum.drupalgardens.c...bout-survivors

    Go to twins list A7733 & 7734 are listed as not being found by Candles
    I'm still lost. Do you mean those numbers are listed as not being found, or are not listed at all? Because I can't see them. Or any trace of the name Gottesman.

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    I don't really have anything to add except that I hope the twins are ale to be reunited. How sad for them to have gone through that. How sad for their mother.
    Kind of OT but here's an interesting read- Mengele spent some time in Brazil after WWII. "The Nazi doctor Josef Mengele is responsible for the astonishing number of twins in a small Brazilian town, an Argentine historian has claimed." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...in-Brazil.html
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    I'm getting a little frustrated with that FB page - she was searching for a memoir of a soviet soldier - What was the name, for heaven's sake? I might have it on my bookshelf. And how does it pertain to the search?

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