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    Quote Originally Posted by tarheellvr View Post
    Of course there were no fibers or blood at the Hampton Inn.....the clothes, shoes, gloves obviously had blood on them after he viciously murdered Michelle. When JY hosed off in the back yard (where the hose was left running so all blood evidence would be diluted and washed away in the ensuing next 8 hours), he put all his clothes, shoes, gloves in trash bags(which he forgot to put away in his hurry to leave and left on kitchen counter) and somewhere between here and there, he disposed of him. This explains the lack of blood in his vehicle.......he was clean, dressed in clean pants, shirt, shoes, socks.

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    So, how did he dry off after taking a backyard shower in the cold twilight of November? Have you ever washed blood off your skin? When using just water, you have to really scrub. Heck, even after taking a real shower, you'll still see guys with blood on them. There's no way on earth someone is going to get completely clean using a hose in the backyard.

    Was this theory ever presented at trial or just a WS theory?

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    Let's just say for the sake of argument, we agree with two aspects of the state's case.

    1) Jason was in King NC that am, ok, he purchased $15.00 of gas, so where does that get him?
    He still has to drive back to the hotel and then continue on his way to Clintwood..He has to , has to, has to get gas somewhere soon after he leaves Hillsville. So, where? Of course he would not use his credit card, so he paid cash, but this time no one sees him , and once again the cameras either are not working again or no one remembers him.

    2)When Jason gets back to the hotel, he has to , has to , has to be freaking out. Nothing went right. There was a struggle with Michelle, he had to leave Cassidy behind, he has a run in with Gracie at the gas station, that may be on video, and the cameras at the hotel are back in their right position, what the heck is he going to do?

    And, as he arrives back at the hotel, people are starting to wake up, some are getting ready to possibly get on the road for business or vacation. No one sees Jason Young pulling back into the hotel parking lot. No one sees Jason Young enter the hotel. Now, he has to, has to, has to continue to Clintwood, no matter what..or everything is blown sky high. So, somehow he gathers his luggage and tries to keep his cool , Should he just leave, or should he go into the lobby and make himself seen by someone, anyone But, there is no video of him anywhere in the hotel that am. Not leaving by any exit, not in the lobby, not having coffee, not seen by anyone who stayed there or worked there. So, except for the cameras that captured him at midnight, and his run in with Gracie, Jason Young somehow became invisible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    So, how did he dry off after taking a backyard shower in the cold twilight of November? Have you ever washed blood off your skin? When using just water, you have to really scrub. Heck, even after taking a real shower, you'll still see guys with blood on them. There's no way on earth someone is going to get completely clean using a hose in the backyard.

    Was this theory ever presented at trial or just a WS theory?

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    I think it is an Internet theory. It isn't remotely believable so I can understand why the prosecution wouldn't use it. The witness who had her brains on a sidewalk is as far as they were willing to go.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeFever View Post
    Let's just say for the sake of argument, we agree with two aspects of the state's case.

    1) Jason was in King NC that am, ok, he purchased $15.00 of gas, so where does that get him?
    He still has to drive back to the hotel and then continue on his way to Clintwood..He has to , has to, has to get gas somewhere soon after he leaves Hillsville. So, where? Of course he would not use his credit card, so he paid cash, but this time no one sees him , and once again the cameras either are not working again or no one remembers him.

    2)When Jason gets back to the hotel, he has to , has to , has to be freaking out. Nothing went right. There was a struggle with Michelle, he had to leave Cassidy behind, he has a run in with Gracie at the gas station, that may be on video, and the cameras at the hotel are back in their right position, what the heck is he going to do?

    And, as he arrives back at the hotel, people are starting to wake up, some are getting ready to possibly get on the road for business or vacation. No one sees Jason Young pulling back into the hotel parking lot. No one sees Jason Young enter the hotel. Now, he has to, has to, has to continue to Clintwood, no matter what..or everything is blown sky high. So, somehow he gathers his luggage and tries to keep his cool , Should he just leave, or should he go into the lobby and make himself seen by someone, anyone But, there is no video of him anywhere in the hotel that am. Not leaving by any exit, not in the lobby, not having coffee, not seen by anyone who stayed there or worked there. So, except for the cameras that captured him at midnight, and his run in with Gracie, Jason Young somehow became invisible.
    Your last point is what I kept waiting for at both trials...video of Jason leaving the hotel. The fact that it doesn't exist would point to one of two reasons and both were out of Jason's control: 1) investigators found the video and the times did not mesh with their "Daddy did it" scenario so they failed to collect it or 2) not all the cameras were working and the hotel knew it and withheld that information at trial.

    JMO

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    The one thing Jason Young could not do was draw attention to himself anywhere that morning, especially in the wrong direction of his hotel and especially with cameras or witnesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyBelle View Post
    Your last point is what I kept waiting for at both trials...video of Jason leaving the hotel. The fact that it doesn't exist would point to one of two reasons and both were out of Jason's control: 1) investigators found the video and the times did not mesh with their "Daddy did it" scenario so they failed to collect it or 2) not all the cameras were working and the hotel knew it and withheld that information at trial.

    JMO
    They cycled every 14 seconds so it would be easy to be completely missed that morning. We know he was there because he had his receipt and newspaper though. Surely if he's conscious of the cameras, he would have gone out of his way to be see on one of them but he wasn't thinking at all about cameras because he is innocent and had no reason to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine05 View Post
    They cycled every 14 seconds so it would be easy to be completely missed that morning. We know he was there because he had his receipt and newspaper though. Surely if he's conscious of the cameras, he would have gone out of his way to be see on one of them but he wasn't thinking at all about cameras because he is innocent and had no reason to.
    Agree, and I think if he really wanted to pad his alibi, he would have made sure someone
    noticed him. He definitely came back and he definitely left and with his luggage too.
    Where is that tape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyBelle View Post
    I think it is an Internet theory. It isn't remotely believable so I can understand why the prosecution wouldn't use it. The witness who had her brains on a sidewalk is as far as they were willing to go.

    JMO
    Thats another thing, if we go into Round 3. I want to hear more from the store manager at 4 Brothers., Tiki Ingram. I want them to ask her what the policy is if a cashier is overpaid, because it is not a tip, in any way shape or form. All money must be turned in, and then it will be decided if the shift's receipts balance. If there is an overage/underage, it usually stays on the books for a week or so. How long did Gracie work there again? Didn't she leave and then come back at a later date? Why weren't the cameras working that day, what was the glitch? Was Gracie $5.00 over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarheellvr View Post
    Of course there were no fibers or blood at the Hampton Inn.....the clothes, shoes, gloves obviously had blood on them after he viciously murdered Michelle. When JY hosed off in the back yard (where the hose was left running so all blood evidence would be diluted and washed away in the ensuing next 8 hours), he put all his clothes, shoes, gloves in trash bags(which he forgot to put away in his hurry to leave and left on kitchen counter) and somewhere between here and there, he disposed of him. This explains the lack of blood in his vehicle.......he was clean, dressed in clean pants, shirt, shoes, socks.

    JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE & RYLAN
    The temp. on the night of the murder was just below freezing. The hose could be another one of those "tunnel vision" details that is wrapped around Jason to build a story. Why would a murderer wash away blood in the backyard when it is so much easier, and more comfortable, to clean up in the house? Michelle's blood in the shower mixed with Jason's DNA would not be evidence of anything.

    Didn't police test the soil in the area of the hose in the hopes of finding evidence that Jason showered in the backyard in the middle of the night in freezing temperatures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine05 View Post
    They cycled every 14 seconds so it would be easy to be completely missed that morning. We know he was there because he had his receipt and newspaper though. Surely if he's conscious of the cameras, he would have gone out of his way to be see on one of them but he wasn't thinking at all about cameras because he is innocent and had no reason to.
    ITA. All the cameras didn't cycle in the same 14 seconds and they captured the length of a corridor. It would be impossible for him to manage not to be seen in any of them.

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    I see the *trial Becky Holt is involved in, is in closing arguments today. after 11 weeks. DP case, should be a slam dunk.
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    http://insidedateline.nbcnews.com/_n...silent-witness

    The Dateline on ID episode. Someone asked me what episode it was in the other thread and I couldn't find the answer.

    Edit: http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/46912041 you can watch the episode here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    http://insidedateline.nbcnews.com/_n...silent-witness

    The Dateline on ID episode. Someone asked me what episode it was in the other thread and I couldn't find the answer.

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    Is CY supposed to be the silent witness, I never watched this. I always wondered why Jason wouldn't just grab another clean pair of pj's for CY? He lived there, and knew where all her clothes were,

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeFever View Post
    Is CY supposed to be the silent witness, I never watched this.
    Yes, CY is the silent witness. The episode doesn't revolve around her, but the episode clearly takes the JY is guilty stance. This is what initially got my attention towards the case. Even when portrayed as if he is guilty, it really doesn't make any sense. The jury forewoman even says something along the lines that only JY would've cared enough to take the time to clean off CY. That doesn't make much sense to me because he wouldn't really have that much time at all. The first responder, a sheriff's deputy, talks about how clean CY was and didn't have a drop of blood on her.

    Edit: one other detail the show brought up that I did not know about was JY had receipts for cigars that the defense presented. So, he occasionally purchased cigars, but didn't occasionally smoke cigars?
    And the inconsistencies with JY's testimony that I can find were, he said he brought his laptop in to do work, when he was actually looking at sports sites, and the detective thinks it was too cold and windy out for JY to smoke a cigar.... I had a buddy drag me outside in the freezing cold snow to share a cigar with him, so I'm just saying, it's never too cold or windy when your mind is made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    The temp. on the night of the murder was just below freezing. The hose could be another one of those "tunnel vision" details that is wrapped around Jason to build a story. Why would a murderer wash away blood in the backyard when it is so much easier, and more comfortable, to clean up in the house? Michelle's blood in the shower mixed with Jason's DNA would not be evidence of anything.

    Didn't police test the soil in the area of the hose in the hopes of finding evidence that Jason showered in the backyard in the middle of the night in freezing temperatures?
    Speaking of building stories.....the pot calling the kettle black comes to mind as I read many of these posts.......

    If JY used the house, blood evidence is going to be in the drain and how could he risk microscopic blood evidence in the shower? he couldn't. Yes, it was chilly, but if you're pumped up and your adrenalin is flowing as I'm sure his was after viciously slaughtering his wife, cold water is not that big of an issue. JY knew if he left the water running all blood evidence would be washed away.

    Drying off? I'm sure they had towels in the house and such towel(s) was in the bag along with the shirt, pants, gloves, shoes, and socks discarded somewhere on the way back to the Hampton Inn.

    As for dried blood on his skin.....I went to the hospital with a relative who was bleeding large amounts of blood from an outdoor accident. I had blood all over my hands, arms, and even legs as it was susmmer. HOURS later I simply rinsed off very quickly in a hospital sink with COLD water and in seconds the dried blood just washed away and ran down the drain..........I didn't scrub at all.

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