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    Trial Discussion Thread #39 - 14.05.14 Day 32

    Oscar Pistorius: South Africa gears up for its 'trial of the century'

    (CNN) -- He was one of South Africa's favorite sons, an amputee track star who defied all the odds and sprinted into the hearts of millions during the 2012 Summer Olympics in London. She was a staggering beauty with the brains to match, a law graduate and model whose star was on the rise.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/...trial-preview/



    Pistorius channel goes on air in South Africa

    http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_306483/con...tguid=Ip4glGHn
    Watch live: Oscar Pistorius murder trial
    Follow events from Pretoria as paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius appears in court accused of murdering his girlfriend, the model Reeva Steenkamp.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...der-trial.html


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    Full Indictment-4 Counts-107 Witnesses

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    http://www.channel24.co.za/TV/News/D...bloid-20140228


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    Trial Discussion Thread #39 - 14.05.14 Day 32



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    Morning all!

    Did anything come of the "joke" comment made to Bateman? I don't have TV so I was wondering if the TV news agencies/cable shows are running with that at all? Or showing a vid clip? Or was it just a tweet. and nothing happened from there? I've found a few articles mentioning the tweet, but wondering about what the news shows are saying.

    I've asked this before, my apologizes, just hoping someone has seen something.

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    I win I win! I posted this on the other thread and it wouldn't accept it saying closed and I came here... and I won !!!!

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    Russischer Zupfkuchen today. Just like Grandma used to make, according to Dr Oetker.
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    We 'embraced' the missing Bob Harrod case as requested but 6 years on, are still waiting for further guidance


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    Did they check to see if you could get a signal/service in the toilet room? I don't own a cell phone either, but as I understand it, there are pockets where people don't get service sometimes.
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    If Judge Masipa allows Nels application...I hope they use hypnosis therapy on him in there to find out what really happened.

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    Good morning from a very sunny South East UK!

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    Morning all, from a sunny part of England :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    Russischer Zupfkuchen today. Just like Grandma used to make, according to Dr Oetker.


    I so needed that today - I have a 14 year old daughter (need I really even say more?). Thank you. Good morning everyone!


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    Bumped useful Post by Estelle:

    Previous similar case in South Africa
    http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPPHC/2014/169.html

    After the testimony of the accused the State applied to re-open its case, which application was not opposed and was granted.

    [17] Jacobus Cornelius Coetzee (Coetzee) is a registered Clinical Psychologist who.....(snipped).

    [18] He evaluated the accused at the request of the court whilst the accused was under observation at Weskoppies Hospital in Pretoria.

    [19] In his psychological interview with the accused, the accused reported to him the voices that scream at him usually at night, and throw him with birds and chickens. The voices tell him to take a cable wire to hang himself and sometimes cut himself with a razor or to fight people.

    [20] Coetzee conducted a psychometric test on the accused.

    20.1 Under the personality assessment inventory (PAI), which test provides information relevant for clinical diagnosis, treatment planning and screening for psychypathology and covers constructs most relevant to a broad-based assessment of mental disorders, the accused answered the questions in a way to create a distorted profile. His interpretation of the marked elevation on the negative impression scale is that the accused made a deliberate attempt to create an overly negative impression of himself. Coetzee holds the view that this is indicative of an attempt to malinger psychiatric symptoms.

    20.2 Under structured inventory of malingered symptomatology (SIMS), which test is a multi-axial, self-administered screening measure for detection of malingering in clinical and forensic settings, the accused scored positive for attempted malingering for all of the scales on psychosis, neurologic impairment, amnestic disorders, low intelligence and affective disorders. Coetzee interprets this as that the accused endorsed a high frequency of symptoms that are highly atypical in patients with genuine psychiatric or cognitive disorders, this may indicate an attempt to malinger these symptoms.

    20.3 Under the inventory of legal knowledge (ILK), which is a test designed to assist the forensic examiner in assessing reponse styles of defendants undergoing evaluations of their competency to stand trial and is a measure of a defendant’s approach to inquiries about his legal knowledge, the accused obtained a score of 50, which score falls in the upper end of the normal range. Coetzee interprets this as that the test results support the fact that the accused did not attempt to feign limitations in his ability to understand or participate in the legal process.

    [21] Coetzee’s opinion is that the accused does not currently suffer from any clinical psychiatric disorders and that at the time of the incident he did not suffer from any clinical psychiatric disorder. Coetzee’s opinion is that the accused shows antisocial and narcissistic personality traits. Coetzee is also of the opinion that the accused is currently malingering some psychiatric symptoms, specifically those in the psychotic disorder spectrum.

    [22] Coetzee’s conclusion is that the accused is capable of understanding the court proceedings and can meaningfully contribute to his own defence, and that at the time of the commission of the offence, the accused was able to distinguish between right and wrong and was able to act in accordance with such understanding.

    [23] Dr K Naidu, a State Psychiatrist and Dr PH De Wet, a Psychiatrist appointed by the Court, are both duly registered psychiatrists who compiled a joint report regarding the mental condition of the accused, which was handed in by agreement between the parties.

    [24] Their examination consisted of clinical interviews with the accused and observation of his general behaviour in the ward. He was physically examined. A summary of court proceedings was made available to them, a psychosocial report was complied and he was psychologically evaluated.

    [25] The two Psychiatrists found no psychiatric diagnosis. The diagnosis they found was malingering. They both noted his previous medical and psychiatric history.

    [26] Their opinion is that the accused is capable of understanding court proceedings and is able to contribute meaningfully to his defence.

    [27] Their opinion is also that at the time of the alleged offences, the accused did not suffer from a mental disorder or mental defect that affected his ability to distinguish between the rightful or wrongful nature of his deeds. A mental disorder or mental defect did not affect his ability to act in accordance with the said appreciation of the rightful or wrongful nature of his deeds.

    [32] The court accepts the opinion of Coetzee, and finds that the accused has anti-social and narcissistic personality traits.

    [54] The court also takes into account that the accused has an antisocial personality disorder and a narcissistic personality disorder. The evidence of Coetzee is that these disorders may be genetically transferred, but can also be acquired from the systems under which one grows up or from the society from which one emerges.

    The court is inclined to find that the accused’s antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder were nurtured and developed by the family from which he emerges.


    In my view, the presence of the accused within the environment of his family constitutes a danger to society, unless and until there are programmes for interventions. As things stand, the accused is a danger to society.

    http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPPHC/2014/169.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovaNic View Post
    Did they check to see if you could get a signal/service in the toilet room? I don't own a cell phone either, but as I understand it, there are pockets where people don't get service sometimes.
    IIRC they have not really talked about a phone being in the toilet.
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    Gosh, I'm quite excited about the judge's decision today. Genuinely excited to see how things are going to proceed.

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    Oh. I thought I'd try the enca link today as it's supposed to be more reliable, but it's not available here, due to rights issues.
    We 'embraced' the missing Bob Harrod case as requested but 6 years on, are still waiting for further guidance


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    The sound on this tends to break up on my laptop but it does have a good running summary of the events in court. Usually first with the info - well 3rd actually behind zwiebel and trooper.

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Os...trial-20140514

    PS Morning all

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