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    Quote Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes View Post
    Slender Man's Seductive Power for Kids: It's in the Brain



    By Dr. Steven C. Schlozman



    The stabbing of a 12-year-old girl in Milwaukee was horrific. But in looking for an explanation for the attempted murder by two other adolescent girls, there have been attempts to vilify Internet memes such as “Slender Man” as putative causes for this kind, or any kind, of violence.



    We have to remember that the boogeyman will always play a pivotal role in the normal development of children and adolescents — and neurobiology can help us understand why.



    He’s present in the myth of the Golem and the French folk tale “Bluebeard.” Many of the novels of Neil Gaiman ("The Graveyard Book," "Coraline") or Stephen King’s horror tales such as "It" are aimed squarely at either 11-year-olds who feel vulnerable to the dark and terrifying supernatural, or those of us who remember what it was like to be 11. Re-read Ray Bradbury’s “The Halloween Tree.” You’ll remember the fun of a good scare.



    The preadolescent’s love for the macabre is tied to a higher-order contemplation of what it means to be frightened in the first place. Those of us who enjoy scary stories and scary movies don’t just enjoy being scared. We enjoy asking ourselves why we’re scared...



    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sle...-brain-n124401

    Ohhh I adored the halloween tree!! Still do, and have given it to my older kids to read as well!


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    it brings to mind the film "heavenly creatures" and that phenomena of the "madness of two"

    as with the film was based on the parker-hulme case in NZ two young girls wrapped in their own, private fantasy world, they killed parker's mother

    juliet hulme became the crime writer ann perry




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    Quote Originally Posted by blue22 View Post
    You are sort of saying things that have been on my mind since this happened. I have never actually known a 12 year old child (or even 9-10) that could not discern reality from fiction. I don't mean believing in Santa or the Easter bunny, because you can get some cool things. I mean truly believing a character in a story is so real, and you commit crimes for them. Especially, when everyone else knows this is not real. I have worked with a lot of kids. A lot of kids from horrific homes that have suffered terrible abuse, that have no education, poor health or nutrition, that are extremely poor. I've simply never seen it. Not even in the most at risk of youth.

    Unless a forensic psychologist testifies that these girls are legally insane and could not set this apart from reality...I will never believe that TWO 12 year olds did not know this wasn't real. I will just never buy it.
    I don't know, Blue - I know a lot of adults who believe crazy stuff that can't possibly be true, but they fully believe it. Big Foot, George Norry stuff, we didn't land on the moon, the Holocaust didn't exist, etc. These are people that function well in society and can put together graphs and charts that show their point - they are just way way out in left field and don't have the ability somehow to process what the rest of us process when we look around at the world. And actually, when I was 12 there was this reclusive old man who lived in a large house down a deserted road. We only saw him occasionally and he had a long beard and looked like a hermit but he lived in this big huge unkempt house. His mailbox said "Howard Hughes" and all the kids thought - honestly we really thought it - that was the REAL Howard Hughes.

    I'm not surprised two girls can believe this. Look at the sales success of the Enquirer and the Globe and Professional Wrestling. People can be incredibly gullible and believe stuff that is baffling to the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pukasonqo2 View Post
    it brings to mind the film "heavenly creatures" and that phenomena of the "madness of two"

    as with the film was based on the parker-hulme case in NZ two young girls wrapped in their own, private fantasy world, they killed parker's mother

    juliet hulme became the crime writer ann perry




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    They both had very difficult, unhealthy, and isolated childhoods. They also had an obsessive relationship and killed, because they thought the mother was going to separate them. They did not kill in the name of anything, or because of their fantasy world. They got rid of the mom, so they would be together. The murder itself had nothing to with the stories and such they were creating.

    These girls are claiming (essentially) the boogeyman made them do it. I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think it's a well thought out guise. The relationship with the third girl, will factor in here. There wasn't room for her anymore, for whatever reason they had.

    JMO, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I don't know, Blue - I know a lot of adults who believe crazy stuff that can't possibly be true, but they fully believe it. Big Foot, George Norry stuff, we didn't land on the moon, the Holocaust didn't exist, etc. These are people that function well in society and can put together graphs and charts that show their point - they are just way way out in left field and don't have the ability somehow to process what the rest of us process when we look around at the world. And actually, when I was 12 there was this reclusive old man who lived in a large house down a deserted road. We only saw him occasionally and he had a long beard and looked like a hermit but he lived in this big huge unkempt house. His mailbox said "Howard Hughes" and all the kids thought - honestly we really thought it - that was the REAL Howard Hughes.

    I'm not surprised two girls can believe this. Look at the sales success of the Enquirer and the Globe and Professional Wrestling. People can be incredibly gullible and believe stuff that is baffling to the rest of us.
    Do you not think there is a difference between gullible, and criminal? People believe in lots of things that are nuts. But that's usually the extent. They don't usually use those things to harm others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausgirl View Post
    And this is why I have to wonder if some older, sociopathic so-and-so egged the girls' fantasy on in one of those many chatrooms out there for Slenderman fans.

    When I speak about trolls, I'm in NO doubt that some of them are very capable of a sustained, long-term bout of messing with younger kids' heads.

    Think about those sods on 4chan planning to troll the victim's family with messages from a 'Slenderman cult'. Is this something? Is there a 'troll' cult, making fun of kids who want to believe?

    Think about the mind of a person capable of the words below, tweeted to one of the attacker's accounts. And imagine them in a chatroom with 12 year olds..

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    Here's the letter as created .. Here: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/v...ttach&id=30120
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    Seriously Guys? You all know the rules. Knock it off.

    Things aren't bad enough, you have to stir up the chit in topics that have no business on this thread?

    Stop now.

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    I have to wonder if we just haven't seen the full effect of social media on our youngest generation. There has to be something to it that we don't fully understand. Maybe they are becoming desensitized to the humanness of things and human interaction because they are more often than not interacting and "playing" with a freakin' profile picture, twitter account, avatar, or internet meme. There is a certain amount of reliance on it as well.

    I'm not blaming the internet, I'm just really wondering what effect all of this may have on developing minds and social skills. Their generation will be the first to TRULY grow up weened on social media and the internet the way we know it today. We have gone so beyond chat rooms and the internet being a source of information.

    For the generations before them, it is more than ever, the way we socialize and we weren't weened on it, we watched it evolve.

    We went from chat rooms, to Myspace, to Facebook, to Twitter, now Instagram, Tumblr, even the creepiest dating app EVER, Tinder that reduces people to a profile picture that you swipe through like a deck of cards. No info about them, just the image. I mean, what is less personal and kind of debasing than that?

    What is real? Who is real? What is fantasy? Are we just getting too far away from real human interaction and therefore empathy? I'm not saying I know, I'm just pondering.

    I mean, Slenderman has a "twitter account".

    Our childhood bogeymen lived in our imaginations, we couldn't interact with them or read their thoughts in real time on the internet. In fact, all of our interactions with others, positive or negative, were face to face. There is something to be said for that.

    Just some thoughts.
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    you raise some good points spice, we really don't know the effects of all this exposure to social media and instant communication are on our kids.

    When we were kids and you wanted to talk to someone you called a friend on the house phone, you knew them, you had their number, your mom knew who they were, etc.

    with cell phones, games systems, tablets, pc's, laptops all offering immediate connection to the world at large it is a whole new ballgame today for our own kids.

    Scarier to me is that even if, as a parent, you are really on top of what your kids are accessing through the devices at home and with reasonable confidence that school devices are properly limited and filtered, you still never know what your child's friends are able to access on THEIR devices or in THEIR homes.

    Now more than ever I feel it is much harder to track your kids exposures to things you would prefer to be there to discuss with them as they occur.

    I am still convinced these girl knew in their logical minds that slenderman was not real. I think for these two, it was simply preferable to pretend he was and this became like an escapist addiction for them, and both of them fed that addiction til it needed more and more "proof" to ensure their devotion to the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    Here's the letter as created .. Here: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/v...ttach&id=30120
    In this letter Slenderman is referred to as "Our Savior" "The Great One"and simply "He".

    Certainly words one would use in reference to a deity or "Godlike" figure. He is all knowing and "walls of steel and rock" cannot stop him. And the whole tone of it, regarding her "efforts" being "rewarded" is a nod to sacrifice.

    Interesting and of course ridiculous.

    Where did this appear? Whoever wrote this is highly irresponsible. (Obviously). And so is the twitter account and whoever is manning that ship. In one tweet he takes responsibility and says that he was in involved in the Boston Marathon because a fan posted photos asking if "it was him" on top of a roof that day. I mean, seriously???
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    It came from 4 Chan where members were posting about sending it to the family of the attackers. See half way down this thread: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/v...48d5781999748e
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    Slender Man Now Linked to 3 Violent Acts

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/slender-man...ry?id=24058562
    I find it strange that all three incidents involved at least one female perp. Females commit a very small percentage of homicides, and in those rare cases the victims are usually intimate partners. In the cases of these three Slender Man related attacks, the victims were a girl, two police officers, and the perp's mother. Highly unusual. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    It came from 4 Chan where members were posting about sending it to the family of the attackers. See half way down this thread: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/v...48d5781999748e
    If that's what they're sending to one of the attackers, imagine what they planned on sending the family of the victim.

    That would unnerve the crap outta me if it came in the mail. And I'm an adult.

    As for 12 year olds believing this and that or not, I certainly believe the vast majority of kids know fact from fiction, and that they do so by about age 8 these days. By 12, I'd be asking what sort of cognitive issues they had, if they truly didn't understand.

    But again, I raise the issue of how, then, otherwise sensible adult can believe in Xemu, or that if they kill themselves at the right moment wearing Nike tennis shoes, their souls will ascend into a comet which is taking them all to heaven. How do cognitively healthy adults come to *believe* the cray-cray stuff these cults have handed out, and hundreds of cults with stories just as crazy and obviously fictional?

    They usually have help, is how. Cults are something I've studied for a long time, how they work. It doesn't take a sophisticated one, nor sophisticated tactics, to convince people to do some very strange and sometimes dangerous or harmful things.

    Looking at the depths to which the crowd who penned that letter linked above will sink for kicks, I honestly believe there's a good chance someone or a group of someones was messing with their head over time, so perhaps the girls -did- believe that crapola they were spouting.

    Of course it's just as likely the whole story is a bald-faced lie designed to deflect from a perfectly rational, selfish motive (ie, jealousy) but there is, to me, just TOO many factors in place that could allow for them to be influenced by scum like those letter-writers to simply write it off as a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausgirl View Post

    As for 12 year olds believing this and that or not, I certainly believe the vast majority of kids know fact from fiction, and that they do so by about age 8 these days. By 12, I'd be asking what sort of cognitive issues they had, if they truly didn't understand.

    But again, I raise the issue of how, then, otherwise sensible adult can believe in Xemu, or that if they kill themselves at the right moment wearing Nike tennis shoes, their souls will ascend into a comet which is taking them all to heaven. How do cognitively healthy adults come to *believe* the cray-cray stuff these cults have handed out, and hundreds of cults with stories just as crazy and obviously fictional?
    This is such an awesome point.

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    ^ I'm not saying there's an *actual* cult, btw, in case I'm misunderstood.

    Just that a group of heinous bullies on the net might have pretended to be one. Like they're doing in these sicko letters.
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