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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeFever View Post
    I am puzzled about the hose.....and how the state tried to tie that in as a piece of a puzzle.
    It is just something else that doesn't fit.
    The hose testimony is completely bizarre! I have to wonder how investigators got it into their heads that a dripping hose after a day of working in the yard meant that someone had a shower under the hose in the back yard when the temperature was near freezing ... but investigators actually believed some version of this, and tested the soil for blood.

    In my opinion, it demonstrates how investigators approached the investigation. They looked at something like a dripping hose, and somehow tried to tie it to Jason and imply that it illustrated his guilt. It's like the rock that propped open the door. Jason had no reason to use a rock to prop open a door, yet because there was a rock propping open a door on the night of the murder, investigators did a DNA analysis of the rock in an attempt to connect it to Jason and illustrate his guilt. It clearly demonstrates that investigators had tunnel vision, and then they set about proving their theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine05 View Post
    The testimony is that she was unable to put her pants back on. That she would typically remove the diaper (not pull-ups at night) and stay that way until MY dressed her.
    I could have sworn it was a pull up she wore. That is a night diaper that most kids wear once they stay dry during the day.n I will try to find a link. Also that is the age most kids are learning to dress themselves. So it's always possible that when CY had all that time in the morning and no one there to help her get dressed she learned how to put her pj bottoms on herself. I claim this to be just as reasonable as the theory that someone removed her from the house took her somewhere and laundered her pj's and brought her back to the house. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeFever View Post
    I am puzzled about the hose.....and how the state tried to tie that in as a piece of a puzzle.
    It is just something else that doesn't fit.
    What do you mean they TRIED to tie it in as evidence? It's something that they found upon examining the scene. Are you saying that they shouldn't have mentioned ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeFever View Post
    I am puzzled about the hose.....and how the state tried to tie that in as a piece of a puzzle.
    It is just something else that doesn't fit.
    What do you mean they TRIED to tie it in as evidence? It's something that they found upon examining the scene. Are you saying that they shouldn't have mentioned it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine05 View Post
    The testimony is that she was unable to put her pants back on. That she would typically remove the diaper (not pull-ups at night) and stay that way until MY dressed her.
    Do you remember who gave that testimony? I would think it would have to be MF that testified to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grammy Jean View Post
    It certainly does look like a pull up to me. That is what my 5 grammy kids have done while wearing a night time pull up, they get up and take it off, then put pj bottoms back on. I could see CY doing this when she woke up.
    That's what I thought. I spent a month with my daughter and her family not too long ago and I had to help with bedtime for children aged 2.5 and 4. It was standard to put a pull up on the 2.5 year old. In the morning, he took it off. Children also tend to leave the pullups in the wrong place. I would interpret that (if it is a diaper) as the child taking off her own diaper in her bedroom in the morning ... before she was in her mother's bedroom. If that is a diaper, why would investigators state that someone cleaned and changed the child? If it is a diaper, how do they explain that it is on the floor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshine05 View Post
    The testimony is that she was unable to put her pants back on. That she would typically remove the diaper (not pull-ups at night) and stay that way until MY dressed her.
    Do you recall who said that? Michelle and Jason would certainly know the child's habits, but children develop so quickly and change patterns as they grow, so I would be very surprised that anyone else would actually know what the child did in the morning. The 2.5 year old that I spent time with recently had no problem with pants ... it was shirts ... pushing his head into the sleeve and other complicated, frustrating clothing acrobatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    The hose testimony is completely bizarre! I have to wonder how investigators got it into their heads that a dripping hose after a day of working in the yard meant that someone had a shower under the hose in the back yard when the temperature was near freezing ... but investigators actually believed some version of this, and tested the soil for blood.

    In my opinion, it demonstrates how investigators approached the investigation. They looked at something like a dripping hose, and somehow tried to tie it to Jason and imply that it illustrated his guilt. It's like the rock that propped open the door. Jason had no reason to use a rock to prop open a door, yet because there was a rock propping open a door on the night of the murder, investigators did a DNA analysis of the rock in an attempt to connect it to Jason and illustrate his guilt. It clearly demonstrates that investigators had tunnel vision, and then they set about proving their theory.
    They didn't know he had been working in the yard. Where did you come up with this? When did he tell them he had been working in the yard? They came in cold and found a dead body. They proceeded to examine the crime scene. Did they ever present the leaking hose in the trial, ever emphasize it's importance? I don't think so. Never once did they suggest this implicated his guilt. They had tunnel vision yet it took 3 years to arrest him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grammy Jean View Post
    I could have sworn it was a pull up she wore. That is a night diaper that most kids wear once they stay dry during the day.n I will try to find a link. Also that is the age most kids are learning to dress themselves. So it's always possible that when CY had all that time in the morning and no one there to help her get dressed she learned how to put her pj bottoms on herself. I claim this to be just as reasonable as the theory that someone removed her from the house took her somewhere and laundered her pj's and brought her back to the house. IMO
    She was 2 1/2 years old. Girl. First child. I would suspect she knew how to do pull-ups. MOO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citygirl View Post
    What do you mean they TRIED to tie it in as evidence? It's something that they found upon examining the scene. Are you saying that they shouldn't have mentioned it ?
    It was mentioned during the trial. Any thoughts on why it is relevant?

    Testifying Monday in the retrial of Jason Young, a crime scene investigator described for jurors the grisly scene ... Michael Galloway ... an investigations supervisor for the City-County Bureau of Investigation, the organization that collects evidence for law enforcement agencies at crime scenes in Wake County ...

    "Galloway noted blood on the knob on a door to the garage from the kitchen.

    Outside the house, he saw a tire track in the mud next to the driveway next to a lamp post by the street. He also noticed a water hose in the backyard running with water leaking from both the spigot and handle."


    http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...B6Ja68ZDtLV.99


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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    The hose testimony is completely bizarre! I have to wonder how investigators got it into their heads that a dripping hose after a day of working in the yard meant that someone had a shower under the hose in the back yard when the temperature was near freezing ... but investigators actually believed some version of this, and tested the soil for blood.

    In my opinion, it demonstrates how investigators approached the investigation. They looked at something like a dripping hose, and somehow tried to tie it to Jason and imply that it illustrated his guilt. It's like the rock that propped open the door. Jason had no reason to use a rock to prop open a door, yet because there was a rock propping open a door on the night of the murder, investigators did a DNA analysis of the rock in an attempt to connect it to Jason and illustrate his guilt. It clearly demonstrates that investigators had tunnel vision, and then they set about proving their theory.
    Not only did they try and imply that Jason cleaned himself off with the hose out in the yard in freezing cold weather, but that CY could have been taken outside and cleaned the same way.....just boggles.
    And, the DNA on the rock, I am not positive of the results, do you remember specifically?
    I need to look that one up..okay, it was inconclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    That's what I thought. I spent a month with my daughter and her family not too long ago and I had to help with bedtime for children aged 2.5 and 4. It was standard to put a pull up on the 2.5 year old. In the morning, he took it off. Children also tend to leave the pullups in the wrong place. I would interpret that (if it is a diaper) as the child taking off her own diaper in her bedroom in the morning ... before she was in her mother's bedroom. If that is a diaper, why would investigators state that someone cleaned and changed the child? If it is a diaper, how do they explain that it is on the floor?
    Correct me if I am wrong but you said your daughter had 4 children under the age of 4? One can hardly use that as a measure for CY. She was an only child. Your daughter is swamped. Comparing apples to oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citygirl View Post
    They didn't know he had been working in the yard. Where did you come up with this? When did he tell them he had been working in the yard? They came in cold and found a dead body. They proceeded to examine the crime scene. Did they ever present the leaking hose in the trial, ever emphasize it's importance? I don't think so. Never once did they suggest this implicated his guilt. They had tunnel vision yet it took 3 years to arrest him?
    The leaking hose was mentioned during trial. It does take a long time to arrest someone when the investigation is governed by fitting evidence to a suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    It was mentioned during the trial. Any thoughts on why it is relevant?

    Testifying Monday in the retrial of Jason Young, a crime scene investigator described for jurors the grisly scene ... Michael Galloway ... an investigations supervisor for the City-County Bureau of Investigation, the organization that collects evidence for law enforcement agencies at crime scenes in Wake County ...

    "Galloway noted blood on the knob on a door to the garage from the kitchen.

    Outside the house, he saw a tire track in the mud next to the driveway next to a lamp post by the street. He also noticed a water hose in the backyard running with water leaking from both the spigot and handle."


    http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...B6Ja68ZDtLV.99
    He's stating what he found at the crime scene. It's as simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeFever View Post
    Not only did they try and imply that Jason cleaned himself off with the hose out in the yard in freezing cold weather, but that CY could have been taken outside and cleaned the same way.....just boggles.
    And, the DNA on the rock, I am not positive of the results, do you remember specifically?
    I need to look that one up..okay, it was inconclusive.
    The fingerprints and DNA on the rock did not match Jason.

    page 57: http://www.wral.com/asset/specialrep.../show-file.pdf

    (page 57 in the pdf, page 49 in the document)

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