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    CA - Carl Salayer, 67, Ramona, 16 June 2014

    Carl Salayer


    Search continues for missing Ramona man

    RAMONA (CBS 8) -
    Renewed commitment Friday morning in the search for a Ramona man -- missing now for more than three days. Carl Salayer suffers from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, and there's concern he may be hurt, or hiding. The 67-year-old was last seen Monday night at his home in the 17000 block of Handlebar Road near Highland Valley Road.
    http://www.cbs8.com/story/25828619/s...ing-ramona-man
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    San Bernardino and Riverside search teams are helping out.

    Carl may be dressed in just his undergarments.

    Police are asking all Ramona residents to check their yards and outbuildings for any sign of Carl.

    http://www.ramonasentinel.com/2014/0...ng-ramona-man/
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    It's also important to note Carl has a feeding tube.

    Also, I saw somewhere he may no longer be able to move without his meds, but I can't find that story right now.

    http://eastcountymagazine.org/carl-salayer
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    Can a person remove a feeding tube by themselves? I've never even seen one I don't think, so have no idea.
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    Tips keep coming in, but 'mode has changed from rescue to recovery'.

    So sorry about this.

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    Hardly any interest in this very, very, very vulnerable senior.

    So sad.

    He needs some strong, supportive friends at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    Hardly any interest in this very, very, very vulnerable senior.

    So sad.

    He needs some strong, supportive friends at this time.
    Totally agreed Zwiebel. It's very sad. Our seniors need as much attention as our children.
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    I'm hoping that this will get enough discussion to warrant this being moved over to the discussion forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    Can a person remove a feeding tube by themselves? I've never even seen one I don't think, so have no idea.
    New to this case - thank you Zwiebel for bringing it to my attention. Boy do I hope he's found soon.

    About the feeding tube, I think it depends on what kind he's got. I've spent more than my fair share of time in hospitals, including having a couple of types of feeding tubes. These were all when I was about 10-13 years old. Please keep in mind I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV, so this is laymen's terms. I'm sure there are more technical terms, but the ones I've seen (in two of three cases had myself) commonly referred to as feeding tubes were:

    - NG (Nasal-Gastric) tube. Sorry to be gross but it is basically a flexible tube that goes up your nose, down your throat, and into your stomach. They can pump things like formula or medication (crushed or liquid) into it.

    - TPN (Total something-or-other that I can't remember Nutrition). This is put in surgically and sewn into a large vein around your neck, with the external part coming out somewhere near your heart. A very specific solution is pumped in through this - no 'food' so to speak.

    - Stomach tube - this one I've seen but don't have experience with. It's sewn directly into the stomach as far as I know.

    Hopefully someone with more medical experience from the medical side instead of the patient side will weigh in, but those are the 3 I know of.

    Out of the 3 - I know the NG tube can be pulled out very easily. Damn thing made me gag sometimes, and as a kid I pulled mine out more than once until I realized how much I hated them putting it back in. They usually tape it down pretty well, but tape can be pulled off.

    TPN line (wish I could remember the official name) would be very hard to pull out. It was a surgical procedure for me and even when the incision was numb it hurt when they 'tugged' it out of the vein. I can't imagine intentionally pulling one of these out.

    Stomach tube I don't have personal experience with, but seeing other kids in the hospital I know they were very careful to keep the kids' hands away from it. The tube/site was bandaged and taped down really well and sometimes they limited the kids' hand movements so they couldn't reach it. I don't know if it was because it was easy to pull out or if it's because it's dangerous if they do.

    Has there been any more news about this man?

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    I found another story and picture of him:

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loca...263642791.html

    Ooh sorry had to delete the picture for blown margins - but it's at the story above if you scroll down.


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    While looking for new stories I found this one which is just about heart-breaking:
    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...t-feared-dead/

    But.. I'm trying to keep up hope.

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    My 18 year old cousin has a rare muscle disease and has a stomach feeding tube. He has to have his surgically inserted and it's very painful if it starts to come loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by los2188 View Post
    I'm hoping that this will get enough discussion to warrant this being moved over to the discussion forum.
    How do we help make that happen? Other than discussing him, of course. Is there anything more we can do? I agree he deserves attention. I know they've kind of given up on him but I feel like he might have a little more time - probably very little, but a little.

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    'Caldwell said the effort has been reclassified from rescue to recovery and that cadaver dogs are now being utilized. The search is being concentrated in a large field not from Salayer’s home where neighbors reported seeing birds swooping to the ground.'

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...t-feared-dead/

    The outlook is very, very bleak. But even death doesn't affect the need for Carl to come home. He has a wife and family and they need to have him back. It's heartening that total strangers have been turning up to help with the search.

    Important to keep Carl's name out there too, so that walkers and hikers in the area know that if they see anything like medical equipment or, as above, unusual wildlife activity, they should let LE know.
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    Thank you so much for the information about the feeding tube. I'll see if I can find any pictures of them.
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