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    FL - Orange Co., BlkFem 727UFFL, 17-20, w/ remains of Nancy Daniel, Jan'77

    "ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Detectives now believe two killings in Orange County nearly 40 years ago could be related.

    The new details come nearly a month after investigators were able to use DNA to identify the body of Nancy Grace Daniel, who went missing in 1976 after getting into a car in Parramore."

    The second girl has not been identified.

    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/...y-woman/ngS5J/
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    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/25...more-cold-case

    Detectives with the Orange County Sheriff's Office are asking the public, especially those who lived in the Parramore area in the 1970s, to jog their memory and help them bring closure to the families.

    Nancy Grace Daniel disappeared when she was 14 years old. "Nancy didn't have any enemies," said the victim's brother, Willie Daniel...

    Now, the Orange County Sheriff's Office, Orlando Police Department and Crimeline are teaming up to go back in time and figure out what happened to these two girls. "We're hoping to reach the long time or should I say older members of our community," said Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings.

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    http://www.mynews13.com/content/news...old_cases.html



    Orange County detectives need your help in the case of two African-American girls whose remains were found near Lake Mann in 1977. Left: Nancy Grace Daniel, 14, last seen Sept. 6, 1976, was identified in May 2014. Right: A composite sketch of the second victim, who remains unidentified.

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    The still unidentified female corresponds to DoeNet 727UFFL and NamUs UP 1328
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/727uffl.html
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1328

    Nancy Grace Daniel corresponds to DoeNet 728UFFL and NamUs UP1327 (which is now closed)
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/728uffl.html
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/1327

    When Nancy G Daniel's MP case appeared recently in NamUs, I immediately saw that she was a pretty good possible for 728UFFL. But I saw that the corresponding NamUs UP case 1327 had already been restricted from public view. So I concluded that they had already matched her to this case, even though the MP casefile was still open.

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    I don't get it. How does a 14-year-old girl disappear, then human remains fitting her description/timeline are found in the same city literally just 2.2 miles (walking distance!) away from where she disappeared ... and LE doesn't make the connection for 37 YEARS??

    I'm sorry, I'm usually pretty sympathetic towards LE and I understand things fall through the cracks, but there's no explanation for this one besides sheer laziness and incompetence. This should have been solved 37 years ago. I feel so bad for Nancy's family.

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    I see the one who is still UID is listed on Doe as being 11-20 years old. That's quite a big difference. She's tall and had Misses size clothing. Either this was a girl who went thru puberty quite young or the low age estimate is way off. I would think 15-20 would be more likely based on her size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogperson View Post
    I see the one who is still UID is listed on Doe as being 11-20 years old. That's quite a big difference. She's tall and had Misses size clothing. Either this was a girl who went thru puberty quite young or the low age estimate is way off. I would think 15-20 would be more likely based on her size.
    NamUs lists her as being 17 - 20 years old.

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    There aren't a lot of black women listed as missing in that time frame. One of them is Debra Stewart:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2159dftx.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...art_debra.html
    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mp...061:51:41PM%27

    Stewart disappeared in Texas about 9 months before the UID was found. She was 19, and her nose in the picture appears lopsided, though in the opposite direction. (Picture flipped?) No mention of the UID's ankle scar though, and Stewart has a scar on her breast that isn't mentioned for the UID. She's also listed as 5'1" versus the UID's 5'6".

    Googlemaps says around 17 hours from Austin to Orlando: https://goo.gl/maps/QqLz6 That would mean about 34 hours round trip. Stewart's car was found two days later, so there would have been just time to get there and back -- though I don't know why somebody would drive 17 hours just to dump her in a lake. There are plenty of places to dump somebody in Texas.

    So...I dunno. What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    There aren't a lot of black women listed as missing in that time frame. One of them is Debra Stewart:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2159dftx.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...art_debra.html
    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mp...061:51:41PM%27

    Stewart disappeared in Texas about 9 months before the UID was found. She was 19, and her nose in the picture appears lopsided, though in the opposite direction. (Picture flipped?) No mention of the UID's ankle scar though, and Stewart has a scar on her breast that isn't mentioned for the UID. She's also listed as 5'1" versus the UID's 5'6".

    Googlemaps says around 17 hours from Austin to Orlando: https://goo.gl/maps/QqLz6 That would mean about 34 hours round trip. Stewart's car was found two days later, so there would have been just time to get there and back -- though I don't know why somebody would drive 17 hours just to dump her in a lake. There are plenty of places to dump somebody in Texas.

    So...I dunno. What do you think?
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._jennifer.html
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/535dftx.html

    Jennifer Barton disappeared from Austin 5 days before Debra did. Each time I see either one of these women, I think of the other. There is no known evidence that they are related, but look at both when considering the timeline & location. Both have threads here tagged Travis County (Austin.)

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/tag...=travis+county

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    Collage of the uid with Stewart and Barton, with Barton on the left and Stewart on the right. Click to enlarge.

    She looks more like Stewart, but Barton's stats are a closer match.
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    The reconstruction's face/head is shaped more like Barton's. But both of those girls are missing from Texas. Ms Daniel was for the most part a local girl who wasn't really on the margins like a runaway or the like. I think JD would've been local like Daniel since they may have killed her too. They weren't trolling bus stations or places where people from out of town would congregate. He was somewhere where he could grab local girls, not people passing through town.

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    Uhh I think I might have found her.

    This girl was just added to Charley today

    Mabel Andrews

    Age (17) is within the NamUs estimate of 17 - 20.
    Race (African-American) matches.
    Height (5'5) is within 1 inch.
    Weight (115 lbs) is within 5 pounds.
    Disappeared only 7 months from when the UP is estimated to have died.
    Disappeared only 3.3 miles away from Lake Mann.
    She looks similar to the reconstruction.
    One side of her nose looks higher than the other, which corresponds with the UP.
    UP had a defect in her left ankle. Mabel's pinky toe on one foot overlaps the toe right next to it, which could have been caused by said defect.

    Mabel does not have DNA or dentals in NamUs so no automatic comparison could be made.
    Last edited by Migmuu; 06-29-2014 at 08:42 PM.

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    Yes, I think you might have found her. Wow.
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    A flyer with an actual photo of Mabel (the image on Charley Project is a sketch):

    http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/mcicsear...c.asp?ID=46936

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    I just got off the phone with Ashley Shaughnessy (the contact listed on NamUs for the unidentified girl)

    I didn't get the impression that Mabel was ever compared to the UP. Shaughnessy said that she'll ''definitely pursue this further'' and that she's going to get Mabel's DNA sample to compare against this girl.

    Fingers crossed. I hope this pans out.

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