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    GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #5

    Georgia toddler's death -- first blamed on heat -- is ongoing probe, police say

    (CNN)
    -- It was a tragedy from the outset: a toddler found dead apparently after being left alone for hours in a hot car, a distraught father blaming himself and facing serious criminal charges.

    Now, Cobb County, Georgia, police imply there is more -- much more -- to the story.

    "Much has changed about the circumstances leading up to the death of this 22-month-old since it was first reported," Cobb County Police Sgt. Dana Pierce told CNN. He would not elaborate, citing an ongoing investigation, but his words made it clear this was not just another case of a young life left and lost to heat exposure in a hot car.

    "I've been in law enforcement for 34 years. What I know about this case shocks my conscience as a police officer, a father and a grandfather," said Pierce.





    More at http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/21/us/tod...sr=google_news
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    Good Morning Everyone. Seems you all had a busy night, early morning.

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    Mom is considered a victim here unless you have a link from LE/MSM saying otherwise. She can be discussed in the context of what she has said in the media and in the warrants.

    Please post accordingly.

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    For me it is about intention. That has to be proven to me before I am convicting him of anything.
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    De ja vu?

    May 28, 2014 mother in Tuscaloosa Alabama, cleared in the death of her daughter who was left in a hot SUV in July 2013...

    "Investigators have said Luong and her husband had been trying to have a baby for years and were very distraught when they were brought in for questioning by police."

    http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/articl...NEWS/140529724


    “I had an uneasy feeling,” she said. “I told my mom I felt like something was going to happen.”*
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ling-vehicles/
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    I understand your point scarlett, but that is not the way the law is written in GA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta View Post
    For me it is about intention. That has to be proven to me before I am convicting him of anything.
    You don't have to prove intention for the charges against him. It's not legally about intention right now.

    If you were on that jury, you would not be considering intention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    So when he pulls into the space, his 2 yr old is SILENT? Not a peep out of him that whole time?
    This is one of the things that leads me to believe that he didn't "forget" Cooper was in the car.

    It's been reported how Cooper would call out "Bye red car - bye red truck" during trips in the car. I find it hard to believe that he was completely silent during the ride from the restaurant to RH's work. I also find it difficult to believe that RH "forgot" to drop Cooper off at daycare during that very brief span of time.

    I really want to give RH the benefit of the doubt, but these are some of the reasons why I can't at this point.

    If information comes out that outweighs the current information, I'll have no problem backtracking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta View Post
    For me it is about intention. That has to be proven to me before I am convicting him of anything.

    let's say a child tragically "accidentally" died after drowning or ingesting poison.

    If that child's parents told police

    "well golly gee, we were JUST researching 'how long does a child have to stay under water before they drown?"

    or

    "well golly gee, we were JUST researching 'how much poison does it take to kill a child?"

    We would all be screaming for their heads.

    Cooper died in a hot car and his parents allegedly told police:

    well golly gee, we were JUST researching what temperatures and amount of time in a hot car can lead to a child's death.


    IMO, this is very damning evidence and given any other scenario, nobody would question it shows intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue22 View Post
    You don't have to prove intention for the charges against him. It's not legally about intention right now.

    If you were on that jury, you would not be considering intention.
    You may not, But for me, In the case if I was on the jury, It would matter to me a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue22 View Post
    You don't have to prove intention for the charges against him. It's not legally about intention right now.

    If you were on that jury, you would not be considering intention.
    Blue, then why go to trial? Sincerely, I really mean that. Why bother with a trial if everything needed to send him for life in prison/death penalty is already fully known and agreed to by all parties?

    He's already admitted he left his baby in the car all day in the heat, and now the baby has died.

    Those facts are not in question, at all, and if all you need are those facts everyone would agree he's guilty as charged.

    But that's why we have juries. So they can look at it and see mitigating factors. He has not pled guilty to the crime - but has in fact, agreed that he's guilty of the very minimal tenets of the crime he's being charged with.

    This is where juries come in. And sometimes, they go all the way to a "jury pardon" - meaning yes he's guilty as charged but due to the circumstances shouldn't be punished to that degree.

    Whether they admit it or not, jurors if this comes to trial will be considering intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gngr~snap View Post
    De ja vu?

    May 28, 2014 mother in Tuscaloosa Alabama, cleared in the death of her daughter who was left in a hot SUV in July 2013...

    "Investigators have said Luong and her husband had been trying to have a baby for years and were very distraught when they were brought in for questioning by police."

    http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/articl...NEWS/140529724


    “I had an uneasy feeling,” she said. “I told my mom I felt like something was going to happen.”*
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ling-vehicles/
    “I want to tell everybody that I wish I was in that car seat, not her,” the weeping 31-year-old mother tells AL.com/The Birmingham News. “If I had to die for her to live, I would have done that.”

    This is a very different response we got from Cooper's ...family. (I want to attribute, but am following tos)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gngr~snap View Post
    De ja vu?

    May 28, 2014 mother in Tuscaloosa Alabama, cleared in the death of her daughter who was left in a hot SUV in July 2013...

    "Investigators have said Luong and her husband had been trying to have a baby for years and were very distraught when they were brought in for questioning by police."

    http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/articl...NEWS/140529724


    “I had an uneasy feeling,” she said. “I told my mom I felt like something was going to happen.”*
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ling-vehicles/

    This case was in Birmingham, AL, and this mother was not charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    Blue, then why go to trial? Sincerely, I really mean that. Why bother with a trial if everything needed to send him for life in prison/death penalty is already fully known and agreed to by all parties?

    He's already admitted he left his baby in the car all day in the heat, and now the baby has died.

    Those facts are not in question, at all, and if all you need are those facts everyone would agree he's guilty as charged.

    But that's why we have juries. So they can look at it and see mitigating factors. He has not pled guilty to the crime - but has in fact, agreed that he's guilty of the very minimal tenets of the crime he's being charged with.

    This is where juries come in. And sometimes, they go all the way to a "jury pardon" - meaning yes he's guilty as charged but due to the circumstances shouldn't be punished to that degree.

    Whether they admit it or not, jurors if this comes to trial will be considering intent.

    IMO the charges are brilliant.

    No motive or premeditation is required for conviction.


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