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    Quote Originally Posted by amandab
    http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news/15792.asp

    I'm assuming this is about the same body........

    How long has Tabitha been missing now? They think the body could have been there as long as 13 months.....
    It's seems possible he could have missed seeing the carpet last year when he went through there with a tractor - it also seems like, just looking at the shoes would be a pretty clear positive/negative for the Tuder family.

    Putting a body under carpet like that, seems like something someone would do really hurriedly, as if not to waste much time or leave much evidence on themselves. As if it would be someone suspect already in the disappearance dumping quickly and cleanly.

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    What about Heaven LaShae? how long has she been missing?

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    tabitha and heaven ross have been missing almost 3 yrs. heaven disappeared some months later than did tabitha. tabitha will be missing 3 yrs on april 29 of next yr. there are a staggering number of missing children and missing adults from tennessee. I haven't heard much more about the body, the link in a previous post didn't work for me. does anyone know if it is a adult/child female/male? I did hear that the body found hasn't been attributed to a missing person, these remains could be someone from anyplace across our state and used that remote location to dump the body. after all there isn't much there but one fuel stop on the north side of the interstate and nothing but country roads to the south side. please take a look at our website @ www.tnmissing.org and go to the forum section which will load the page of our states missing children and adults.

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    Unhappy

    There are so many missing people in Tennesee! I just don't understand how so many people can just up and dissappear. Thank goodness for sites like yours where they all have names and faces. How horribly, horribly sad. It makes me want to cry.

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    Yesterday on the radio, they told that the remains were that of a male. I hope that they identify him soon and bring closure to his family.

    You are right there are alot of missing people in TN and alot that needs to be done to change the way the state deals with the missing and the unidentified.

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    It your opinion, why are there so many unidentified and missing? What could the state of TN do differently?

    Our state has so few missing or unidentified people that it shocks me to see the numbers in other states. We know the stories of the missing by heart and we think we know what happened to them but they have never been found. One little girl dissappeared from the yard of her rural home in a wooded area that is inhabited by mountain lions, one little boy was a victim of a serial killer (although his mother doesn't think he's dead so won't accept that he's gone so the case is still open). Everyone knows about the woman who was killed by a serial killer but has never been identified, although her killer was executed for her murder she's still nameless. Etc etc. To have so many that are missing or unidentified is staggering.

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    In my opinion, our state does not handle missing persons cases with the urgency that they should. There is nothing that mandates how LE reacts when a missing person report is filed and thereafter. We do not have a missing persons clearinghouse. We do have a missing children's clearinghouse, but for reasons that are unclear, all the missing children are not listed on it. Our state, as well as others, could greatly benefit from the Presiden's DNA Initiative. There are no guidelines in place here to direct the state or the counties in how to handle missing persons or unidentifieds. This issue is very important, if more states would adopt the proposal to handle DNA more effeciently, I just know that closure could be brought to many families with missing loved ones.

    http://www.dna.gov/m_person/model.html

    In my daughter and granddaughter's case, it has taken LE 20 months to secure their DNA and only then at my very strong insistence. My granddagter cannot be listed on our state's missing childrens clearinghouse because they have to have parental consent to do so. Well, that's impossible when her parent is also missing. I don't understand after this long, why a next of kin, or the agency investigating cannot have her listed.

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    How awful. It sounds as if missing people are of minimal concern. Granted, some people disappear of their own free will because they want to, but others that are taken or murdered and dumped deserve more from those that take an oath To Serve and Protect. I think a national DNA database is a very good idea, although I can see where there may be people who would think it's just one more way for the government to keep track of us. For those that have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear. JMHO

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    in my opinion, and I hope that the dna database that is being talked about would be this; for the folks that have missing children/adults that the family provides a personal article of that person that would contain dna material, then place that information into the data base. if at any time human remains are located, that possibly dna could be obtained and then compared to the data base. expensive yes, but our country is wasting money at an alarming speed, so why not add to it for a very good reason. families of those that are missing deserve to know if there loved one has been located or not, just think of how many jane doe and john does lay in graves across this country, and to think of how many innocent lives have gone without ever being identified, it just makes me so sick to think of. this nation needs to fight the war on child/adult abductions and put a stop to it. its hard to think of but for the time it takes to make a simple post on this website many have been abducted or murdered in this nation.

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    Danny

    You would probably find the president's DNA initiative very interesting. Click on the link in my last post and check it out. This is what I have been talking to the TN lawmakers about. There is a program that will take DNA from a family member of a missing person to go into the CODIS database. Where there is a family member, the DNA is there. Also, the initiative above, provides the federal funds for the states to take care of this, if they just would. It's just a shame that this is not taken more seriously by LE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kholloway
    Danny

    You would probably find the president's DNA initiative very interesting. Click on the link in my last post and check it out. This is what I have been talking to the TN lawmakers about. There is a program that will take DNA from a family member of a missing person to go into the CODIS database. Where there is a family member, the DNA is there. Also, the initiative above, provides the federal funds for the states to take care of this, if they just would. It's just a shame that this is not taken more seriously by LE.

    Hi Kathy,
    What is the excuse given for not wanting to get this DNA program going? If the funding is there then there shouldn't be any excuses. I gather that the people making the decisions haven't had a family member missing. I imagine by now you would like to take LE and shake each one until they "get it."

    I'm wondering, in your case, why the FBI has never gotten involved as there is a baby involved? So many missing persons of all ages and it just seems to be so frustrating to me. I can't imagine being in your shoes + all of the other families who are trying to find answers and seem to keep hitting brick walls.
    I honestly don't know how all of you keep going trying to live your lives when
    there is a piece of your hearts missing and you can't get anywhere with LE or anyone else who could help you find answers. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone who has a loved one/loved ones missing.

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    kathy, I tried the link to the dna data base, it doesn't work for me, could you please look at the format of it and see if all the characters are properly placed?

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    dna.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by dannyodie
    kathy, I tried the link to the dna data base, it doesn't work for me, could you please look at the format of it and see if all the characters are properly placed?
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    If you go to the main http://dna.gov web site you can read all about the DNA initiative and Identifying the Missing. Several families of the missing have helped with this program including myself. Molly Bish's father John has been heavily involved in it.

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    I can't understand why they won't get this DNA program going here either. I bet if it was bredesen or some other higher up's family, the DNA program would have been up and going long ago. I think of Tabitha and Heaven often and pray that they will be found. I still wonder about Tabitha's sister's boyfriend and why her sister didn't pass the lie detector test. Would she protect her boyfriend over her sister? I just can't understand doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranaice
    I can't understand why they won't get this DNA program going here either. I bet if it was bredesen or some other higher up's family, the DNA program would have been up and going long ago. I think of Tabitha and Heaven often and pray that they will be found. I still wonder about Tabitha's sister's boyfriend and why her sister didn't pass the lie detector test. Would she protect her boyfriend over her sister? I just can't understand doing that.
    federal money is already there for states to grab it up to get this started, we tennesseans need to work our senate people over and push for it before the money is all gone, we need this here as well as any other states need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindys
    Tabitha is still a child. She could NOT have known the full implication of "sexy girl" or what it would mean to older men to have a title like that associated with her. Let us also remember she is growing up in a world of Britney Spears, etc. The "ghetto girl" title could also have something to do with this hip-hop music scene a lot of the young teenagers are into.

    She should not be held responsible in any way for what has happened to her.
    Very good post! I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read that other post about Tabitha calling herself "ghetto girl" That is a 12-13-14year old thing to do, and say, it says nothing about "her" She probably listened to "rap" music, no biggy, most kids do at that age. But "thank you" for saying she had nothing to do with her disappearance, because she didn't!

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    If parents took more time out of their busy life and spent a little quality time with their kids -maybe there would not be so many unsolved mysteries.

    After all, if the parents commuicated with their kids more and knew what they were doing ,IMO, there would be less disappearances.

    I am not putting blame on the parents, but it's kind of hard for kids to disappear if you know where there are. Telling your kids to keep in touch with you and having phone numbers where they can be reached and even cell phones makes it easier as a parent to make sure your kids are safe.[/QUOTE]


    I understand what your saying, but you are in a way putting blame on the parents. My kids are grown now, but I was the same as you as far as knowing where my kids were...my house was the house all the kids came to, and thats the way I wanted it...however, when my kids stepped out the front door to go to the bus stop, especially at 12, I'm sure I didn't wait at the door until the bus picked them up...I mean, come on, how many parents think their child is safe at the bus stop? that is where Tabitha disappeared from...the bus stop...

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    I have a 16 year old boy, a 15 year old boy and an 11 year old boy.

    I can guess by the handles of girls they IM with which girls are which. Some girls have cute names that are nice, like littldrummrgrl, and some girls have sexualized vulgar names like candypanties. I could write a list of possible girls for each handle, and I'd get them all right. Mothers know. Their mothers must also know, if they even took a moment to look, what their daugher is doing and how she is presenting herself. It seems to me they are presenting themselves in real life similarly to how they present themselves online with the names and personas they choose.

    I'm not saying girls who present themselves vulgarly are asking to be kidnapped. Anymore than women who leave purses in their cars are asking to be robbed. It's all a matter of judicious behavior, and being careful, and having someone tell you how to be watchful to reduce your odds of being victimized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkdianne
    Very good post! I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read that other post about Tabitha calling herself "ghetto girl" That is a 12-13-14year old thing to do, and say, it says nothing about "her" She probably listened to "rap" music, no biggy, most kids do at that age. But "thank you" for saying she had nothing to do with her disappearance, because she didn't!
    thank you for supporting the fact that tabitha had nothing to do with her disappearence. due to someone elses circumstances is the reason she is gone. tabitha from what I have learned from her parents was a wonderful child, never was a problem maker, loved to watch scarey movies, but she certainly didn't care much for the rapper music much. the tuders didn't have a computer until sometime early last year. the ghetto girl thing was something someone just got started about her, tabitha wasn't a street smart child by any means and stayed close to her home, she feared the neighborhood she lived in. if any one person in my opinion had something to do with her disappearence I would have to say that the boyfriend of her older sister certainly should be looked into very closely. the tudors just want some closure to this heartache not critisizim. last year someone wrote an email to one of the news station and went through the whole skit about where her body was and the location it was placed and all that, I don't think much ever became of it, but the police did do a small search of the area described and came up empty handed, either this person knew something or was pulling a prank.

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    i have been lurking around this thread a bit but never posted, is there a website for tabitha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle
    i have been lurking around this thread a bit but never posted, is there a website for tabitha?
    there use to be one. www.tabithatuders.com but I think it is down now, its a lot to look thru, but in the first few months of her missing the website was up and it was posted on this forum, at one time there was so much insult and other nasty messages that people left that the tuders took it off, but it may just be temporary.

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    My husband and I used to live in KY and I remember the day it came on the news about Tabitha coming up missing. So heartbreaking. I believe the new website for Tabitha is www.tabithatuders.net . I believe this is posted a few pages back. As I sat here tonight and read through the 14 pages of this thread I just cried. I cannot imagine walking in Tabitha's parents shoes. I had not seen a picture of Tabitha since the news when she first disappeared. I then clicked on the escort link to check out the Victoria everyone was talking about. My jaw hit the floor. Of course then I went to Tabithas website and re-looked at her pictures and wasn't convinced that was her. A very striking resemblance though. I don't remember exactly which post I read it in but there was a link to the TBI, so I am assuming that they are involved with this case. It was mentioned that local law enforcement could not legally go and search the sister's boyfriends grandfathers place as it was in another county. Couldn't or shouldn't the TBI have done this? I am still confused as to the post I read about where the sister and her boyfriend stayed in Tabitha's room. Is this after she went missing? If it is after the fact, why would the mother even allow that? That seems very strange to me. Reading through all these posts and past news articles has left me with the feeling that Jamie, the sister, knows more than she is letting on. I don't think she knows any specific facts, however I believe she knows something that for whatever reason she cannot or will not share. Also with the boyfriend. After reading that Tabitha got into a red car with a man that fits the description of the boyfriend and then another poster saying that they have been by the K-Mart where the boyfriend works and there is a red car there, mind you this is the early morning hours before the store is open for business. He has an array of different vehicles he can borrow. Does the person who seen the car at the K-Mart know if it is in fact the boyfriends car? Is there a way to sit and watch to find out? Even though this case has been turned over to the cold cases, are there still active volunteers on this case? All I know is that I never forgot this little girls name in almost three years. So I find it odd that there aren't or isn't more around that area who don't think of her now and then also, mainly the media. Are there still search teams? At all? If someone with the address of the Tuders Family would get ahold of me with an address I would like to send a card. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingersnap
    My husband and I used to live in KY and I remember the day it came on the news about Tabitha coming up missing. So heartbreaking. I believe the new website for Tabitha is www.tabithatuders.net . I believe this is posted a few pages back. As I sat here tonight and read through the 14 pages of this thread I just cried. I cannot imagine walking in Tabitha's parents shoes. I had not seen a picture of Tabitha since the news when she first disappeared. I then clicked on the escort link to check out the Victoria everyone was talking about. My jaw hit the floor. Of course then I went to Tabithas website and re-looked at her pictures and wasn't convinced that was her. A very striking resemblance though. I don't remember exactly which post I read it in but there was a link to the TBI, so I am assuming that they are involved with this case. It was mentioned that local law enforcement could not legally go and search the sister's boyfriends grandfathers place as it was in another county. Couldn't or shouldn't the TBI have done this? I am still confused as to the post I read about where the sister and her boyfriend stayed in Tabitha's room. Is this after she went missing? If it is after the fact, why would the mother even allow that? That seems very strange to me. Reading through all these posts and past news articles has left me with the feeling that Jamie, the sister, knows more than she is letting on. I don't think she knows any specific facts, however I believe she knows something that for whatever reason she cannot or will not share. Also with the boyfriend. After reading that Tabitha got into a red car with a man that fits the description of the boyfriend and then another poster saying that they have been by the K-Mart where the boyfriend works and there is a red car there, mind you this is the early morning hours before the store is open for business. He has an array of different vehicles he can borrow. Does the person who seen the car at the K-Mart know if it is in fact the boyfriends car? Is there a way to sit and watch to find out? Even though this case has been turned over to the cold cases, are there still active volunteers on this case? All I know is that I never forgot this little girls name in almost three years. So I find it odd that there aren't or isn't more around that area who don't think of her now and then also, mainly the media. Are there still search teams? At all? If someone with the address of the Tuders Family would get ahold of me with an address I would like to send a card. Thank you.

    Roxy
    first of all, the red car that was seen at the kmart store is a very similar match as to the one the witness saw that morning, the kmart store is closed that early in the morning, but the workers that have the job of restocking shelves are there all night, the boyfriend worked there. the day she went missing the boyfriend had called her house at 630am and talked to jamie, that call was to jamies cell phone. he never supported that family in her disappearence, and he wasn't no where around for at least 24 to 30 hrs after the fact. he used cars from a couple of sources but didn't have alot of folks loaning him a car. he would use his sisters car, which we haven't been able to determine the make and type, his friends car which is not the one, and maybe his aunts car, it would be easy for him to get access to a car at the store he worked at, he could have told a co worker he needed it for what ever reason. he lived with the tuders for a period of six months, and lots of those times he and jamie slept in tabithas bed, and then a day and a half after she went missing he and jamie were sleeping in her bed, I just think that is very odd, because at the time she went missing he had not been living there for at least two or three months since he had moved out in and about dec of 2002. as far as I know there is very little volunteer efforts being made to locate this child or her remains. myself and a few others are always looking and listening as to what is being said and who is saying it. the boyfriend has no car of his own, and the car which I have observed at the store has been seen many times in the same vacinity as she disappeared from, I have recorded the tag numbers of that car and the tag numbers of several other cars that match that vehicle, a relative of a police detective that is handeling the case was given one of those numbers, but what ever became of it is a mystery, I have other numbers but until the police show a interest in looking into them I probably won't provide them, after all that is what they should be doing if they want to crack this case. myself and a few volunteers have looked around the property just outside the county line and haven't found anything. but the adjoining property is heavly wooded and is just a few steps out the back door of the house that use to be his grand dads house. his grand dad went missing some years back, he had dementia and the boyfriend was solely responsible for his care, apparently he walked off one day and was gone for days before being located within a few miles of his home frozen to death, the boyfriend was intially considered a suspect in his death. but later was considered that he had no involvement, I could go on for a very long time of the things I have learned of this case, but instead will leave it to the many post I have made as well as those that others have made.

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    Yesterday was Tabitha's 16th birthday

    and after almost 3 years, we still don't know what happened to her.
    Local TV station WKRN ran a story last night, but I can't get the video of it to play.

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    Just a correction to the post above:

    Today Feb. 15, is Tabitha's B-Day!
    And, I also couldn't get the video to load.

    Happy Birthday Tabitha

    My prayers are with this family!!

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