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    Doctor sues after being arrested while saving baby in hot car

    The baby had been in the car for about 20 minutes. Firefighters were trying to use a “Slim Jim” to open the locked door, but it was unsuccessful.

    Dr. Williams told the firefighters they needed to break the vehicle’s window to free the baby.

    According to the lawsuit, the baby’s mother pleaded with the doctor to break the glass of the car window when it did not appear the firemen were going to open the door.

    Dr. Williams got a hammer from her office and returned to the car to break the front passenger window of the vehicle.

    http://www.wkrn.com/story/26015143/d...s-after-arrest

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    That is just insane. Sometimes it irks me to no end when the police don't use common sense.
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    Pyle (the officer who I refuse to address as such) should have been disciplined. I hope that IF Dr. Williams settles, she will request, as part of the settlement agreement, that Pyle has at least a disciplinary action on his file. Without that - an acknowledgement of wrong-doing on the part of Pyle - I wouldn't settle - no way!

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    (BTW, this baby-locked-in-hot-car event occurred in May 2012)

    Mom accidentally locked 8 day old baby in hot car.
    Mom phoned for help and firefighters responded to scene.
    Mom knew baby had been in car about 20 min.
    Mom watched FFs struggling w slimjim to open car door.
    Mom saw Dr fetch hammer and return w it ready to break window.
    (Is it poss LE or FFs thought unknown-to-them-at-the-time-Dr was whacked out, ready to use hammer on Mom, LE or FFs themselves?)
    Mom pleaded for doc to break the window.

    Puzzling that Mom did not try breaking a window herself. Her car, her baby.
    In any case, glad that baby is apparently okay.
    Shame that the doc was injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al66pine View Post
    (BTW, this baby-locked-in-hot-car event occurred in May 2012)

    Mom accidentally locked 8 day old baby in hot car.
    Mom phoned for help and firefighters responded to scene.
    Mom knew baby had been in car about 20 min.
    Mom watched FFs struggling w slimjim to open car door.
    Mom saw Dr fetch hammer and return w it ready to break window.
    (Is it poss LE or FFs thought unknown-to-them-at-the-time-Dr was whacked out, ready to use hammer on Mom, LE or FFs themselves?)
    Mom pleaded for doc to break the window.

    Puzzling that Mom did not try breaking a window herself. Her car, her baby.
    In any case, glad that baby is apparently okay.
    Shame that the doc was injured.
    Or why the FF's didn't take the Dr's hammer and break the window.
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    I read about this yesterday, from what I gathered from the news, this happened a couple of years ago..Thank GoodNess Tennessee just passed a law that you can break a window.

    The City Council if I remember right was to vote on a settlement for this Doctor for $99,000.

    Of course nothing has happened to the Officier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta View Post
    That is just insane. Sometimes it irks me to no end when the police don't use common sense.
    Mom locked her baby in her car (ok, by accident).

    Respectfully, could mom have used common sense to rescue her baby from her car?
    Seems possible to me.

    If ppl say - LE should have done its job, is it unreasonable to say - mom should have done hers?

    In any case, glad that baby was okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al66pine View Post
    Mom locked her baby in her car (ok, by accident).

    Respectfully, could mom have used common sense to rescue her baby from her car?
    Seems possible to me.

    If ppl say - LE should have done its job, is it unreasonable to say - mom should have done hers?

    In any case, glad that baby was okay.
    So, what "common sense" should mom have used? Accidents happen. She immediately called emergency services. I'm not sure what you expect her to have done here to facilitate a rescue.

    The article states that the doctor wasn't able to break the window - she went to the window firefighters directed her to, but was then assaulted by the officer. Firefighters ended up breaking the window, so I really don't know why the officer acted as he did. And the doctor ended up injured because of it. The officer really should have been fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnaTeresa View Post
    So, what "common sense" should mom have used? Accidents happen. She immediately called emergency services. I'm not sure what you expect her to have done here to facilitate a rescue.

    The article states that the doctor wasn't able to break the window - she went to the window firefighters directed her to, but was then assaulted by the officer. Firefighters ended up breaking the window, so I really don't know why the officer acted as he did. And the doctor ended up injured because of it. The officer really should have been fired.
    ITA. If firefighters tried to get the baby out and couldn't for a while, then mom's "common sense" wouldn't get the baby out either.
    It's not understandable to me either why the officer arrested the doctor. Obviously the baby needed to come out of the car ASAP, and the doctor was only trying to help.
    Just my opinion

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    What could mom of baby locked in hot car have done besides call 911?

    Quote Originally Posted by AnaTeresa View Post
    So, what "common sense" should mom have used? Accidents happen. She immediately called emergency services. I'm not sure what you expect her to have done here to facilitate a rescue.

    The article states that the doctor wasn't able to break the window - she went to the window firefighters directed her to, but was then assaulted by the officer. Firefighters ended up breaking the window, so I really don't know why the officer acted as he did. And the doctor ended up injured because of it. The officer really should have been fired.
    BBM 1:
    Could Mom have -
    - asked the doc (who returned to lot, from office) for the hammer so she could have broken the window herself?
    - picked up loose block from retaining wall (see pix) and used that to break car window?
    - located another item (a rock from parking lot or a tire iron from bystander's car) to break window?
    Seems straightforward, but maybe not.


    BBM 2:
    Link does not say doc was unable to break window.
    I wonder if FF told her to break window on other side for baby's safety.

    "Firefighters were trying to use a “Slim Jim” to open the locked door, but it was unsuccessful.
    Dr. Williams told the firefighters they needed to break the vehicle’s window to free the baby.
    According to the lawsuit, the baby’s mother pleaded with the doctor to break the glass of the car window when it did not appear the firemen were going to open the door.

    Dr. Williams got a hammer from her office and returned to the car to break the front passenger window of the vehicle.
    The lawsuit states a fireman told her to break the window on the driver side of the vehicle.
    She went to the other side of the vehicle to do that, but before she could break the window Dr. Williams stated Officer Michael Pyle grabbed her from behind."
    http://www.wkrn.com/story/26015143/d...s-after-arrest

    JM2cts.


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    How to break window for baby locked in hot car

    It's puzzling (imo) that LE, FF, or EMT folks at scene did not have a resQme or lifehammer tool like this, in their gearbags.


    or this



    From amazon's product description re resQme:
    "...Tool is ideal for car entrapment scenarios (including water submersion, rollovers, fire, and more) with two main features that can potentially save your life. The resqme can 1) cut jammed seat belts, and 2) break side windows that won’t open in the case of power failure or locked doors. Assist passengers and other motorists in danger....". BBM

    Some depts issue these or similar tools to first responders.
    Different brands, different sizes (keychain and larger), etc. range from $8 to 20, USD.

    On another board I visit, non-first responders report keychain-carrying one of these tools
    and keeping one inside each car/vehicle.

    Also moms or drivers can carry a spare car door key (maybe without remote or chip) in their billfolds/purse.
    Doesn't always help, as -
    - some ppl leave billfold/purse in car and manage to lock it in,
    - some new-ish cars open only w remote or chip, not w key.

    Could help some folks save innocent lives. JM2cts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al66pine View Post
    BBM 2:
    Link does not say doc was unable to break window.
    I wonder if FF told her to break window on other side for baby's safety.

    "Firefighters were trying to use a “Slim Jim” to open the locked door, but it was unsuccessful.
    Dr. Williams told the firefighters they needed to break the vehicle’s window to free the baby.
    According to the lawsuit, the baby’s mother pleaded with the doctor to break the glass of the car window when it did not appear the firemen were going to open the door.

    Dr. Williams got a hammer from her office and returned to the car to break the front passenger window of the vehicle.
    The lawsuit states a fireman told her to break the window on the driver side of the vehicle.
    She went to the other side of the vehicle to do that, but before she could break the window Dr. Williams stated Officer Michael Pyle grabbed her from behind."
    http://www.wkrn.com/story/26015143/d...s-after-arrest

    JM2cts.
    Doc "wasn't able" to break the window because the cop interfered. That's exactly what the article said and what I said. Doc attempted to break window but was not able to because of interference by the cop.

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    My solution to locking keys in the car is using a coiled key ring. As I turn the ignition off, I slip my wrist thru the key ring, so the keys are now on my wrist and I cannot lay them down! Has worked perfectly for years!

    Don't have any ideas about the newer cars with a start button. I bought my car one year before they came out.

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    Coomon Sense or Ludicrous or ?

    Quote Originally Posted by AnaTeresa View Post
    .... And I find your "common sense" suggestions ludicrous.
    My first post acknowledged locking baby in car was accidental and asked if mom could have used common sense to rescue baby.
    A post responded, "I'm not sure what you expect her to have done here to facilitate a rescue."

    My later post listed specific actions mom herself could have taken -
    using on-the-scene items (doc's hammer, block from retaining wall, or other object) -
    to break window to rescue her 8 d/o baby locked in hot car.

    "Ludicrous" I was told. People are welcome to brand ideas using readily-available items
    for saving a baby's life as ludicrous, if they like.

    Linked article states, "The firefighters eventually broke out the window of the mother’s vehicle to free her infant daughter."
    Is the item FFs used one that mom herself could have used? That day, in that specific scene, to save her baby?

    Looking forward to reading alternative easy and effective suggestions mom could have used there or in the future.

    Wishing nobody would be faced w crisis of having baby locked in hot (or cold) car. Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1&2&3 View Post
    My solution to locking keys in the car is using a coiled key ring. As I turn the ignition off, I slip my wrist thru the key ring, so the keys are now on my wrist and I cannot lay them down! Has worked perfectly for years!

    Don't have any ideas about the newer cars with a start button. I bought my car one year before they came out.
    1&2&3,
    A coiled key ring. Like an old fashioned telephone cord fashioned into a bracelet, like this?

    Hey, that's a terrific idea. Good for you.
    TYVM for this safety measure.

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