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    OK - Muskogee Co., Fem Skeletal UP11509, 25-40,denim skirt, Jan'83 *Francine Frost*

    NamUs UP 11509 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11509

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    Unidentified Female (Race not Indicated)

    The victim was discovered on January 05, 1983, 5 miles east and 1 mile south of the town of Martin, Muskogee County, Oklahoma

    Body Condition
    Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
    Probable Year of Death: 1970-1982

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 25-40 Years
    Approximate Height: 54 inches (4 feet 6 inches) - This is probably a data entry error - 5 feet 4 inches erroneously entered as "54 inches", when it should have been entered as 64 inches.
    Approximate Weight: Unknown.

    Clothing & Accessories

    Clothing: White girdle; Blue jean prairie skirt (waist size 20"); Plaid blouse

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Not Available
    Dentals: Available and Entered
    DNA: Not Available

    Case History
    Located by Law Enforcement
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 06-07-2017 at 08:14 PM.

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    Just based on the location and clothing - this looks like a match to me.

    Francine Frost

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._francine.html

    UP11509 - Clothing Description:
    White girdle
    Blue jean prairie skirt (waist size 20")
    Plaid blouse
    Francine Frost - Clothing Description:
    Possibly a denim skirt
    Long-sleeved plaid shirt with a Polo emblem
    Brown Shoes
    In addition:
    * Her age (43) is slightly over the upper age limit (25-40)
    * Her height (5'3") is within an inch of what I presume her "54 inches" height was intended to be (i.e., 5'4")
    * Her location LKA (Tulsa OK) is about 60 miles from where the remains were found (Martin OK).
    * The timeframe from Feb'81 to Jan'83 is almost two years. - Consistent with the 1970-82 estimated year of death.

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    20" waist? Like, circumference? That's extremely small.

    But I agree, Francine sounds like a match. Poor lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Just based on the location and clothing - this looks like a match to me.

    Francine Frost

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._francine.html

    UP11509 - Clothing Description:
    White girdle
    Blue jean prairie skirt (waist size 20")
    Plaid blouse
    Francine Frost - Clothing Description:
    Possibly a denim skirt
    Long-sleeved plaid shirt with a Polo emblem
    Brown Shoes

    In addition:
    * Her age (43) is slightly over the upper age limit (25-40)
    * Her height (5'3") is within an inch of what I presume her "54 inches" height was intended to be (i.e., 5'4")
    * Her location LKA (Tulsa OK) is about 60 miles from where the remains were found (Martin OK).
    * The timeframe from Feb'81 to Jan'83 is almost two years. - Consistent with the 1970-82 estimated year of death.
    I submitted this last night to Michael Nance by e-mail, and I got this reply:

    Looks good. I have contacted the PD and OCME. Apparently the body is lost but there may be dentals on both sides. Let’s cross out fingers that this works. If it is an ID looks like the Tulsa PD Cold Case Unit has a homicide to work.

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    Nice work! Hopefully this is a match.
    All I can do is try.

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    A 20" waist is small but looks like Francine only weighed about 115 pounds, so she had a slender build. This looks like a great match.

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    They may have mis-entered 20" for perhaps 28" or 29", which would be more reasonable. Much like they did with the height.

    Either way, looks like a match. The discovery site is rather odd, though. I wonder if this was off the Musckogee Turnpike which is within a 1/2 mile of the description of where the UID was located.

    http://goo.gl/maps/CdL2D

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    I suspect that the Muskogee turnpike was probably either not there in 1983, or was just a road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I submitted this last night to Michael Nance by e-mail, and I got this reply:
    Looks good. I have contacted the PD and OCME. Apparently the body is lost but there may be dentals on both sides. Let’s cross out fingers that this works. If it is an ID looks like the Tulsa PD Cold Case Unit has a homicide to work.
    Keep us posted
    Can't believe they lost her!
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 07-21-2014 at 11:31 PM. Reason: Fixed quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roselvr View Post
    Keep us posted
    Can't believe they lost her!
    If I recall correctly, I read a few years ago that Oklahoma had a huge mess a few years ago with the record keeping and storage of UID skeletal remains.

    It was a big scandal at the time, and the OCME has done quite a bit of work to straighten it all up now, but this case is probably one of those that didn't get resolved.


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    I could easily imagine Francine having a 20" waist according to her stats for my late mom was about the same size. She had a teeny tiny waist which unfortunately I did not inherit. Definitely though whoever wore a skirt that small, if the measurement is correct, had a very petite build.

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    I knew Francine's sister. She is a tiny woman in terms of waist size. If Francine were built like her sister, she could very easily have had a 20 inch waist. I have wondered about this ever since it happened. Sadly, this does sound like a good match.

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    They found where the remains were buried:

    http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/...7498a4ef6.html

    Officials said they hope the exhumation of a body buried in Muskogee will lead to the identity of a woman found dead in 1983.

    The Oklahoma Office of the Medical Examiner has reason to believe the remains belong to a person who is listed in the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System...

    “At the request of the medical examiner they are attempting to identify a missing person from 1981 with remains found in 1983 in Muskogee County,” Loge said. On Jan. 5, 1983, the skeletal remains of a woman were found five miles east and one mile south of Martin, based on an anonymous phone call.

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    Let's hope they dug up the correct body. Won't be the first time that happened.

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    http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/...0d7aacf83.html

    Two graves in Greenhill Cemetery were mistakenly exhumed Tuesday as a result of the cemetery's inaccurate records, said Muskogee County District Attorney Orvil Loge...

    Loge said the work has just begun, and an investigation will be conducted to solve the mystery of where the unidentified remains are located and if they are the remains of the woman who went missing in 1981...

    Loge said they believe the remains are in the correct lot in the cemetery but will not petition the court to dig in a different space until the offices have collected more information from the investigation.

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