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    GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 9


    Shirley and Russell Dermond

    Missing wife of decapitated Georgia man found dead in lake
    By Chelsea J. Carter and AnneClaire Stapleton, CNN
    updated 10:54 PM EDT, Fri May 16, 2014

    Shirley Dermond's body was found in Lake Oconee, south of Athens, Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills told reporters Friday.

    "We now, unfortunately, know that Shirley Dermond was murdered," Sills said. Sills declined to discuss the condition of the body other than to say, "the head was not removed or anything like that.

    "We haven't even had a funeral for Russell because their kids wanted to wait. Now that we know about Shirley, we will start planning the funeral services for both.
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    So in regards to the last thread post, (happyshoes?) talking to her hubby about dementedness today, Yeah i think he's right, we are more aware, the numbers are probably higher, but back then (and this is what my WAKING THOUGHTS were this morngin) people kept secrets, kept them long and to their grave they went, found a few things out through genealogy research, (damifino knows what I mean) that probably wasnt' meant to be found out, like bdates and marriage dates, hahaha, back then women just went away to have babies out of wedlock and when they rolled back into town, they were (widows) haha, as their stories would go

    SO back to my waking thoughts.............secrets.............people in those early 1900's could keep a dang secret, and the rest of my thoughts this mornign were.............WHAT SECRETS DID THE DERMONDS HOLD, born in 1924/25, that's a lifetime, pun intended, those generations just knew how to zip the lips

    BUT because of these secrets, we may never know, however, someONE may have known, but they may be dead, because I imagine at the D's age, many cousins and siblings have passed on, who may have known something, unless the kids know, cough it up!, I still think they left town too quickly, for fear, whether they know some posibility or not, no telling what they've all discussed in private with SS but can't allude to anything YET

    OR IF EVER, we may never know what happened to the D's becuase of secrets this generation could hold, and they are BOTH GONE now, the only 2 that may have known the secret

    AAAH, so NOone left behind to tell, can't tell, therein may be a clue too

    I'd like to find out if this TM or any connection to him is with the NC, Boots and CP and I had discussed that but so much happened, it got left in the sidelines, can't see what's on the end of TM necklace in his mugshot, could be NC necklace per CP's thoughts

    And boots cause you subscribed!
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    It's taken a while, but just now at thread #2. Wish we had more information. I've been reading but not posting for a while and thanks to those that are keeping the thread going.

    Hey FF, I thought of you and the case that you followed earlier when I went up to RedTop Mountain yesterday. How's the fishing going up at BC? Allatoona offered up some nice big stripers for us!

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    Originally Posted by Bootsctr View Post
    Good evening everyone! Been visiting over at the Abigail Hernandez thread. Missing teen for 9 months and she just shows up at her house this weekend. Strange case from the beginning and has just gotten a little more stranger by the secrecy that is surrounding her mysterious return wearing the same clothes she disappeared in....

    And I hear that Muzikman is back in websleuth town:

    Okay, back to the Dermonds and Reynolds Plantation murders... I know several of the locals have voiced concern that the case has been forgotten and people are letting their guards down and it's back to business as usual. People are confident that the case is being handled properly and the fear has abated. I read a letter to the Editor of the Messenger written by a lawyer from Atlanta. He has a house on Lake Oconee and he is very concerned about the Dermonds' murders. It seems he has a great number of friends here in the United States and in Canada who are actually revulsed so much by this horrific crime they refuse to return to Great Waters until the case has been solved and the person or persons who did this are behind bars. Even people in Atlanta with small children are refusing to come back to their lake homes until there is resolution. I can't say I blame them. He says most people and even the owners of Reynolds Plantation refuse to acknowledge the fear the murders of the Dermonds and the beheading of Mr. Dermond from people on the outside looking in. He was one of the first to donate to Howard Sills' reward fund. He believes if enough reward money is made available then someone will come forward and the crime will be solved. He's very concerned about returning Great Waters/Reynolds Plantation to a safe place for families and to protect members economic prosperity, including property values. I totally agree with him, even if he is a lawyer. Sure people are probably dusting their guns off and locking their doors at night, but we were assured by the Dermond family that they were faithful in locking their doors at night and look what happened. . .I'm sure Mr. Dermond had a gun and I'm sure they did lock their doors, but they did open their doors to someone who killed them. I just don't have a good feeling that we are about to go into August without resolution to this case.
    'The thanks button just wasn't sufficient enough for this excellent post, Bootsctr'... Thank You!

    Quote Originally Posted by tomkat View Post
    So in regards to the last thread post, (happyshoes?) talking to her hubby about dementedness today, Yeah i think he's right, we are more aware, the numbers are probably higher, but back then (and this is what my WAKING THOUGHTS were this morning) people kept secrets, kept them long and to their grave they went, found a few things out through genealogy research, (damifino knows what I mean) that probably wasnt' meant to be found out, like bdates and marriage dates, hahaha, back then women just went away to have babies out of wedlock and when they rolled back into town, they were (widows) haha, as their stories would go

    SO back to my waking thoughts.............secrets.............people in those early 1900's could keep a dang secret, and the rest of my thoughts this mornign were.............WHAT SECRETS DID THE DERMONDS HOLD, born in 1924/25, that's a lifetime, pun intended, those generations just knew how to zip the lips

    BUT because of these secrets, we may never know, however, someONE may have known, but they may be dead, because I imagine at the D's age, many cousins and siblings have passed on, who may have known something, unless the kids know, cough it up!, I still think they left town too quickly, for fear, whether they know some posibility or not, no telling what they've all discussed in private with SS but can't allude to anything YET

    OR IF EVER, we may never know what happened to the D's becuase of secrets this generation could hold, and they are BOTH GONE now, the only 2 that may have known the secret

    AAAH, so NOone left behind to tell, can't tell, therein may be a clue too

    I'd like to find out if this TM or any connection to him is with the NC, Boots and CP and I had discussed that but so much happened, it got left in the sidelines, can't see what's on the end of TM necklace in his mugshot, could be NC necklace per CP's thoughts

    And boots cause you subscribed!
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    Originally posted by Happyshoes
    Another day, no news, just unreal. And like tomcat, I had a good laugh about the fb page for a minute. As for the question about people being more demented, I asked my husband one time what he thought and he said this has been going on forever, we are just 100 times more aware. But for myself, I think that drugs, videos, media, etc. has had a huge impact on violence. Guess I'll go to my SheCave and wait until tomorrow. I could not bear this if I was related to them.
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    Imo, there has always been evil in our midst, and even though there is much more awareness today due to the internet, 24 hour cable TV news cycles, etc. It is still considered the silent epidemic by many for various reasons, imo. Drugs, video games, media, mental disorders, gang violence, breakdown of the family structure, as well as the Church, etc., seems to be at least part of the catalyst for this devaluation of human life, imo.
    After researching psychopathic sexual predators, serial/spree killers, and other deviant creatures for years. I can honestly say, "nothing would surprise me as to the depths of depravity that many soulless human beings are capable of in today's society"...

    A prime example of this depravity can be seen in psychopath Brian Nichols' facial expression, or lack thereof while listening to the audio replay of the Fulton County Courthouse shooting Atlanta, GA, 2005> Nichols' overpowered and stole a deputy's firearm and assassinated Judge Rowland W. Barnes (the judge presiding over his trial) and Julie Brandau (a court reporter), Sgt. Hoyt Teasley (a Sheriff's Deputy) / David G. Wilhelm (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent)>

    Raw Video: Audio of 2005 Courthouse Shooting (Warning VERY Graphic)


    Brian Gene NICHOLS; Fulton Courthouse Shooter
    Nichols told police he felt like a "soldier on a mission" exacting revenge on a judicial system he feels is unfair to African-Americans. He feared he was about to go to prison for a rape he claims he didn't commit and grew weary of awaiting trial in jail and looking at a sea of black faces. He describes how he flung the much smaller female deputy into the concrete wall like a rag doll. After taking her weapon instead of escaping down nearby stairs, he ran across a sky bridge to hunt down the judge in his rape case. He said Barnes was nice, but part of a larger system of injustice. He also killed the judge's court reporter when she stood to check on the judge. He said he shot the sheriff's sergeant outside the courthouse so he could escape and he later shot the federal agent in Buckhead while attempting to steal his car. He also admitted holding Ashley Smith hostage in her apartment before he surrendered.

    "I was actually very impressed that they didn't shoot me when I walked out the door," Nichols told police in the videotaped interview on March 12, 2005. “He was very up front and very detailed and meticulous in telling me what happened,” Velazquez said. “It was one of the easiest interviews I’ve ever done."

    Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard said he saw Nichols shortly after he was taken into custody and he appeared to be "someone who was proud of what he had done -- that he did not show remorse."

    http://murderpedia.org/male.N/n/nichols-brian-gene.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by atthelake View Post
    It's taken a while, but just now at thread #2. Wish we had more information. I've been reading but not posting for a while and thanks to those that are keeping the thread going.

    Hey FF, I thought of you and the case that you followed earlier when I went up to RedTop Mountain yesterday. How's the fishing going up at BC? Allatoona offered up some nice big stripers for us!
    Hey atthelake.. Fishin's always good at BC.. Ya just have to think like a fish..and catchum when they're hungry.. Luv striper fishin..21 feet down, right?

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    I did go on the sheriff's FB from the link in the last thread and lo and behold...whose picture and name was there? Mine! Holy Toledo! I do belong to FB but I rarely go on it. How in the hay did they get my name and picture from FB?!

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    Don't worry Razz, that is if I understand your concern correctly. You're not on there. I'm not a frequent user of facebook either. But I believe that when you visit another facebook page, your profile pic and name will pop up, essentially asking you to post something. Unless you post something, it goes away when you do and no one else sees your profile (then or later) or knows you "visited". At least that's the way it seems to work for me! If that's not correct I hope someone comes along and enlightens me. Any way, I just visited the Putnam Sheriff's page and unless you're one of the two people who have posted comments I didn't see you.

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    Just thinking about the missing head some more- it's not as unusual as any of us would like that to be. I think this could be random.
    Here's a recent murder where a man's head was taken (and his head is still missing!) and his girlfriend was also kidnapped before being killed: http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/loc...cide/12941499/ Granted the circumstances of how the Dermonds met up with their killer(s) are going to different (one would assume), but beheading a victim here in the U.S. is rarely linked to religious extremism (although in this case the murderer was a Christian and gun rights activist, but until the motive is released I don't think we can assume his horrific act had anything to do with his religious beliefs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by marble View Post
    Just thinking about the missing head some more- it's not as unusual as any of us would like that to be. I think this could be random.
    Here's a recent murder where a man's head was taken (and his head is still missing!) and his girlfriend was also kidnapped before being killed: http://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/loc...cide/12941499/ Granted the circumstances of how the Dermonds met up with their killer(s) are going to different (one would assume), but beheading a victim here in the U.S. is rarely linked to religious extremism (although in this case the murderer was a Christian and gun rights activist, but until the motive is released I don't think we can assume his horrific act had anything to do with his religious beliefs).
    Yep marble, decapitation is becoming more common today than it was in the past. Although this was one of Ted Bundy's and other serial killers MOs decades ago.. Many times these horrific details aren't released to the public, imo.
    It is interesting that authorities have concluded that these were the first victims of Brady Oestrike, age 31. It has been my experience that many, if not most sexual predators/serial killers cross the threshold from fantasy to reality around the age of 14 years old. jmo..

    Irony; We were discussing earlier today whether there is more evil today, than in the past.. While taking a much needed beauty nap this afternoon, I heard the name of a teen predator in training on the news, that we had been sleuthing on WS since about a year ago. His name is Phillip Chism(MA). He was 14 years old when he attacked/raped/murdered/staged and posed the body of his math teacher CR, in the school bathroom. This evil heinous crime was also recorded by Chism. Seems he has recently struck again while in youth detention;

    Crimes and Trials Currently Awaiting Trial MA - Colleen Ritzer, 24-year-old math teacher murdered by 14-year-old student
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...t=philip+chism
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    Doing a bit of research. York's oldest son, Jacob helped build a case against his father. Malachi's "main wife" was a Kathy Johnson. She was given 2 years for child molestation, followed by years of probation. I wonder where she is now.
    I can't find much on Troy other than he murdered the Dermond son son in August of 2002 and Malachi was indicted on GA state charges on May 16, 2002. Major is still in supermax at GA state prison. Malaci is in Federal prison in Colorado. Those who are loyal to York will not speak with anyonol


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    Respectfully snipped by me.

    "breakdown of the family structure, as well as the Church, etc.,"

    We live in a society where NO ONE wants to be told these things. Thank you for stating this among the other obvious reasons you stated.
    Just my opinion... and trust me, I do have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaille View Post
    Respectfully snipped by me.

    "breakdown of the family structure, as well as the Church, etc.,"

    We live in a society where NO ONE wants to be told these things. Thank you for stating this among the other obvious reasons you stated.
    OT, but things really aren't that simple. If you go back, say 40 years and more, people went to church in greater numbers and there were fewer divorces. There was also considerably more domestic violence and higher rates of family homicide. Churches and their defense of the 'family structure' kept a lot of unhealthy and dangerous relationships and families together, and created a lot of victims of violence who later became perpetrators. So I'm not sure that blanket defenses of the church really help. If you want to know what does explain crime rates, you have to look at things like income and income disparity, not religion or the family (though income levels do affect family health and happiness).

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    Interestingly enough, violent crime rates have been steadily dropping over then last few decades, not increasing. This is even with the weird increase in mass shootings included (which seem like they happen every other week now). When this article was written in 2012, violent crime was as low as it's been in One Hundred Years!
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...939_story.html

    Perception is everything I guess.

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    http://www.nuwaubianfacts.com/case%20summary.htm
    The Nuwaubian Cult's Case Summary
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    The Bogus case against Rev. Dr. Malachi Z York-EL
    Kidnapping and Pre-Trial Detention

    Present-Day

    Dr. York has been held at United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum(Federal Super Max) in Florence, Colorado since 2007 A.D . According to the most recent Statement by Manfred Nowak, United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment on October 23, 2008 in New York, solitary confinement is considered torture. Dr. York has been in solitary confinement since he has been in the USP ADMax Florence.
    It is in the bylaws that solitary confinement leads to insanity; it is torture for someone to lack human contact for extended periods.
    Dr. York never belonged at Florence to begin with according to his custody classification. Dr. York has been continually targeted by disciplinary actions by the prison that go against Bureau of Prisons (BOP) policy. He has not been allowed to see his children, which goes against BOP policy. In addition, according to BOP policy he can write books, however he has received disciplinary action against him for allegedly writing.
    Rev. Dr. Malachi Z York-EL has been unjustly accused, tried and persecuted by the United States Justice system without being under their jurisdiction. We wish to bring this case of gross injustice to the eyes of the public with the hope that they will come to his support, contacting public officials, organizations nationally and internationally to come to his aid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montjoy View Post
    OT, but things really aren't that simple. If you go back, say 40 years and more, people went to church in greater numbers and there were fewer divorces. There was also considerably more domestic violence and higher rates of family homicide. Churches and their defense of the 'family structure' kept a lot of unhealthy and dangerous relationships and families together, and created a lot of victims of violence who later became perpetrators. So I'm not sure that blanket defenses of the church really help. If you want to know what does explain crime rates, you have to look at things like income and income disparity, not religion or the family (though income levels do affect family health and happiness).
    Quote Originally Posted by marble View Post
    Interestingly enough, violent crime rates have been steadily dropping over then last few decades, not increasing. This is even with the weird increase in mass shootings included (which seem like they happen every other week now). When this article was written in 2012, violent crime was as low as it's been in One Hundred Years!
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...939_story.html

    Perception is everything I guess.
    Yep, perception is everything, Marble.. It is difficult to compare the increase or decrease in crimes over the past century for many reasons.. Due to technology advancements and the advent of the FBI NCIC in 1967, crime statistics are more reliable now than in the past. However, crime statistics rely on the involvement and honesty by law enforcement agencies of municipalities who many times have ulterior political motives for keeping crime rates lower. Also in the past there was a process labeled deep sixing, where prior violent and other crime statistics were simply deleted by many LEAs. There are 190,000+ unsolved missing/murdered persons cases in the USA. Couple that with the 40,000+ unidentified person's remains in morgues across America and crime statistics lose much of their reliability and value, imo...

    http://www.newser.com/story/185336/w...irdly-low.html

    NEWSER) – Chicago politicians are trumpeting last year's unprecedented drop in crime rates, but on second glance it may be a case of lies, damned lies, and statistics, Chicago Magazine reports. Insiders at City Hall and the police department say that when crime soared in 2012, Mayor Rahm Emanuel felt the pressure, and told Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy to fix the problem or polish up his resume. Miraculously, crime rates dropped (some by an amazing 56%) as felonies were downgraded to minor offenses and homicides were reclassified as "noncriminal deaths."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...rmation_Center

    FBI • CJIS • NCIC
    It’s been called the lifeline of law enforcement—an electronic clearinghouse of crime data that can be tapped into by virtually every criminal justice agency nationwide, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

    The National Crime Information Center, or NCIC, was launched on January 27, 1967 by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, with five files and 356,784 records. By the end of Fiscal Year (FY) 2011, NCIC contained 11.7 million active records in 19 files. During FY 2011, NCIC averaged 7.9 million transactions per day.
    If I could only use only one word to describe the increase in violent crime in the USA, it would have to be drugs..
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