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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleTray View Post
    I think I think JRH and LH actually needed light bulbs. JRH probably thought it easier to pick up bulbs while child free preventing the removing from child seat, go in a buy bulbs, then re-strap baby etc. Also, maybe the after work movie was discussed while at lunch and JRH says something like "well, LH asked me to pick up some bulbs so I better grab them now since I am going to have to get her permission to go to the movies after work." If it was just a scheme to pick up bulbsso he would have witnesses to find CH, once friends quickly drove away after dropping him off after lunch, JRH no longer has his witnesses to witness him finding CH so why would he even put the bulbs in his car? Once friends quickly drove away maybe he just throws the bulbs in closest trash can.
    Isn't there security video of him by the car that shows him tossing in the light bulbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inthedetails View Post
    Isn't there security video of him by the car that shows him tossing in the light bulbs?
    Thats why i think LH actually asked him to pick up bulbs. he actually needed them so he placed them in his car. If it was just a ruse to get his 2 friends there but they quickly drove away maybe he wouldnt have even opened his car but rather just thrown the bulbs away

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleTray View Post
    Thats why i think LH actually asked him to pick up bulbs. he actually needed them so he placed them in his car. If it was just a ruse to get his 2 friends there but they quickly drove away maybe he wouldnt have even opened his car but rather just thrown the bulbs away
    Couldn't it be both? Couldn't he have picked up light bulbs because LH asked him to AND hope that his friends would see him discover Cooper? Purchasing light bulbs might have been an easy idea for him to come up with because he really did need light bulb. And, he really did want others to witness him finding Cooper. Since his friends drove off....well, that didn't work so he tossed in the bulbs and made Plan B, the movies.

    IDK, but I don't think it's an either/or.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekirbyfamily View Post
    Yes....I tend to think with her it was just odd and strange behavior from a woman desperate not to lose her man. One time I came across a blog on a fertility doctor's webpage where she had commented having something to do with Ross receiving treatment for sexual disinterest and the treatment not working for him. It was really sad and desperate to read her words and then look at the date of her responses in relation to her getting pregnant with Cooper.
    I remember seeing that, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inthedetails View Post
    Couldn't it be both? Couldn't he have picked up light bulbs because LH asked him to AND hope that his friends would see him discover Cooper? Purchasing light bulbs might have been an easy idea for him to come up with because he really did need light bulb. And, he really did want others to witness him finding Cooper. Since his friends drove off....well, that didn't work so he tossed in the bulbs and made Plan B, the movies.

    IDK, but I don't think it's an either/or.

    jmo
    Yes, I totally agree. Some of these little what I call tidbits almost seem irrelevant to me. I dont think bulbs are relevant. Whether dad took son for breakfast isn't relevant to me. Now, if this is a premeditated ruse maybe all these little factors are small pieces to an overall large puzzle but I don't think I am seeing that yet. I think I am still seeing a shallow, immature, horny, large (maybe overweight) selfish, not be capable of much more than worry how many women he could play, when the next Uof A football game was on, what/when was his next meal. I dont think he was mature enough to think much deeper yet. I believe LH knew this immaturity and was trying to transition her man, in whatever ways she could muster, slowly into a man. I believe she would have had less patience in the transition if JRH had been a lousy father. I think that kept her in the game longer than she should have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evie Ivy Over View Post
    Have you ever wondered if RH left Cooper in the car on purpose--and that someone else was supposed to come pick him up from the parked car? And that it was THAT person who forgot? Just a fleeting theory I once had...
    Doesn't matter- that still makes it murder. It was Ross' responsibility to not leave him in a hot car for any length of time, and he had researched it, so he knew the risks. Are you saying he planned for someone else to discover the body??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadoober View Post
    In all fairness, it would change things in the context of this thread, which is about whether he premeditated the murder of Cooper.
    Nope! Still premeditation- he knew the risks of leaving a child in a hot car- he researched it- and maybe his plan was for that someone to discover the body...
    This is the year to locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin NamUs MP#876 and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff NamUs MP#6410 and bring them home to their families!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tink View Post
    I can believe that someone might want to kill their child - certainly there seem to be plenty of cases of people doing that (I am looking at you, Casey Anthony, among others). But it is hard for me to believe that someone would plan to do it in such a horrible way. You'd have to be really incredibly evil to not only plan to murder your child but to deliberately cause him such terrible suffering (and to be sexting while it is happening).

    You want him to die? Drown him in the bathtub and claim you just left the bathroom for a minute and he must have slipped under the water. Give him an overdose of medication and claim that he must have opened the pill bottle himself and eaten them. Quick and so much less terrible for the child. I just can't get my head around anyone making a careful plan for a child to suffer the way Cooper did.

    Tink

    You know why he chose this method? Sheer laziness and/or he didn't feel he was actively killing the child i.e. "I didn't do it, the (insert blank- in this case hot sun) did it". I watched a crime show last night, Dateline I think? where the mother and her favorite child poisoned her husband, son, daughter, and would've attempted the other daughter. She claimed she didn't kill them (in other words, it was the poison that killed them, not me!). Her exact words were "I didn't stop them from drinking the antifreeze"!!!
    This is the year to locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin NamUs MP#876 and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff NamUs MP#6410 and bring them home to their families!

    Parents watch your children. Free-range parenting leads to more child victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
    bbm That has bothered me some, that Copper could not open his belt. I have wondered if it was tampered with that he couldn't open it. idk jmo
    Well he cinched him down on the tighest (infant setting) straps in a car seat he knew was too small for him. Most likely it was so Cooper couldn't escape, he certainly couldn't have been comfortable! This factor alone clinches premeditation for me.
    Last edited by LinasK; 04-16-2016 at 04:07 PM.
    This is the year to locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin NamUs MP#876 and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff NamUs MP#6410 and bring them home to their families!

    Parents watch your children. Free-range parenting leads to more child victims.

    Cruelty to humans begins with cruelty to animals.

    I believe in closure, not forgiveness. I'm also unapologetically judgemental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleTray View Post
    Yes, I totally agree. Some of these little what I call tidbits almost seem irrelevant to me. I dont think bulbs are relevant. Whether dad took son for breakfast isn't relevant to me. Now, if this is a premeditated ruse maybe all these little factors are small pieces to an overall large puzzle but I don't think I am seeing that yet. I think I am still seeing a shallow, immature, horny, large (maybe overweight) selfish, not be capable of much more than worry how many women he could play, when the next Uof A football game was on, what/when was his next meal. I dont think he was mature enough to think much deeper yet. I believe LH knew this immaturity and was trying to transition her man, in whatever ways she could muster, slowly into a man. I believe she would have had less patience in the transition if JRH had been a lousy father. I think that kept her in the game longer than she should have been.
    If not for all those little tidbits, as you call them, the state would not have much of a case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaperDoll View Post
    Do you think that this was premeditated? I personally think it was. I think RH had been thinking about this for some time. My theory is Cooper was going to be a hinder in RH's life, more trouble than it's worth. I believe he was trying to figure out a way to get rid of Cooper without it looking like it was intentional. This is STRICKLY MY OPINION and sometimes my opinions are not correct (but this one is..lol)

    What is your theory?
    Quote Originally Posted by DBQ View Post
    I think RH planned Copper's death and during the planning decided to involve two businesses he thought had been unfair to him-HD and Chikfil-a. HD passed him over for a promotion and Chikfil-a didn't hire him. I think in his mind it was a great idea to connect these two companies to the horrible death of a baby. Think about breakfast with Copper and the idea of a last meal, often associated with betrayal. perhaps he figured he could get away with it and try to place some form of responsibility on HD so he could make them look bad, or maybe it was just having HD and Chikfil-a's name connected in any way to the death.
    I had forgotten about this connection. JRH is a sneaky, manipulative, lying, adulterer, murderer.
    JMHOO

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