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    IA - Eugene Martin, 14, Des Moines, 12 Aug 1984

    I started the post on Johnny Gosch, and there is information a plenty out there about this awful case. Another paper boy, that some believe were taken by the same people who took Johnny, is Eugene Martin. It is difficult to find information on this case. To my knowledge no info or resolution has happened in this case. According to Noreen Gosch, her son Johnny visited her in 1997 and told her the same people who took him had taken Eugene as well. If anyone has any info on the Eugene Martin case please share. This is a seldom talked about case it seems.
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    Eugene Martin Des Moines, IA missing since 12 Aug 1984

    EUGENE MARTIN Des Moines, IA missing since 12 Aug 1984
    A very closely matching crime to the Johnny Gosch kidnapping is that if the abduction of Eugene Martin, also a newsboy, also of Des Moines, Iowa. Eugene was on his paper route early in the morning of 12 August 1984. He was seen talking to a white male who was "about the age of his father". There was nothing suspicious about it, but in a matter of twenty minutes, Eugene disappeared and has not been seen since.
    Usually, Gene delivered the papers with his older stepbrother, but on this occasion, he was alone.
    Eugene got up that morning at 4:30 and left the house at 5:00. Between 5:45 and 6:05, he was seen folding papers and talking to a man on teh corner only a few blocks from his house. Between 6:10 and 6:15, the bag was on the ground with 10 folded papers in it and Eugene was gone. When calls came in to the paper manager that people were missing their morning newspapers, the manager went out, found the bag and delivered the papers. He did not start looking for Eugene again until 8:40AM. Classic case of someone finding something obviously wrong, but not thinking it was important enough to mention.
    Some investigators feel that the two cases (Gosch and Martin) are connected, but there is no physical evidence to link the two.

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    EUGENE MARTIN
    Non-Family Abduction
    DOB: Aug 17, 1970
    Missing: Aug 12, 1984
    Age at time missing: 14
    Age Now: 34
    Sex: Male
    Race: White
    Hair: Brown
    Eyes: Brown
    Height: 5'0" (152 cm)
    Weight: 110 lbs (50 kg)
    Missing From: DES MOINES, IA, United States

    Eugene was last seen between 5:30-6 a.m. as he was delivering newspapers. A paper bag was found outside of Des Moines with papers still inside. He has a scar on his right knee and has had a broken right wrist.

    ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT
    National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
    1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST) or
    Des Moines Police Department (Iowa) - Missing Persons Unit - 1-515-283-4864 Or Your Local FBI

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    http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...earchLang=en_US

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    From what I remember of the Gosch case the two cases have one big thing in common. Neither have anything to go on. To me that says a lot. Because if it worked the first time, it only goes to reason that the perp would try to do it the same way the second time.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    Something also seems similar about Marc James Warren Allen. Does anyone know anything about his case?

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/allen_marc.html

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    Exclamation I really believe these 3 cases are linked. Anyone wanna help?

    I don't know anything new I'm afraid but thats really good sleuthing. Thats 3 boys, of similar age AND appearance dissapearing from the same place in the space of 3 and a half years. V v peculiar indeed. Does anyone else think so? I wonder why marc hasnt as much publicity?I'm not swayed by the Gosch conspiracy theory 'm afraid, but something is/was going on. Maybe theres a much more obvious connection between these 3 cases and its just been missed.Any ideas where to start anyone?

    They look so similar they could be brothers...........

    All his google matches http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...+missing&meta=

    Here are all 3 Vital Statistics -



    Missing since 5th September 1982

    Johnny Gosch
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/160dmia.html
    Date Of Birth: November 12, 1969
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 12 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7; 140 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Light brown, short hair; blue eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Gosch has facial freckles. He has a horseshoe-shaped scar on his tongue and a birthmark on his left cheek.
    Clothing: A white sweatshirt with Kim's Academy imprinted on the back, warm-up pants and blue rubber thong sandals.
    Dentals: There is a gap between his front teeth.
    Nickname: Johnny

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Gosch disappeared while conducting his newspaper route in West Des Moines, Iowa on September 5, 1982. He was tailed by his dachshund, Gretchen. Gosch was seen speaking to a male suspect while working his paper route on 42nd Street and Marcourt Lane. Gretchen returned home without her master. Because of the Gosch case, Iowa passed a law requiring immediate investigations of missing children.


    Then 25 months later………………


    Missing Since 12 October 1984
    Eugene Martin
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/8dmia.html
    Date Of Birth: August 17, 1970
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Diappearance: 5'0" (152 cm); 110 lbs (50 kg) Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Scar on his right knee and past fractured wrist
    Clothing: Jeans and a gray and white-striped midriff t-shirt with red sleeves.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Martin was last seen between 5:30 AM - 6:00 AM delivering newspapers in Des Moines, IA on October 12, 1984. His newspaper sack was found outside of Des Moines later that day with papers still inside, indicating that Martin never finished his route. He has never been seen again.


    Then 18 months later…….

    Missing Since March 29 1986
    Marc James-Warren Allen
    http://doenetwork.us/cases/34dmia.html
    Date Of Birth: May 13, 1972
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'11; 90 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Light brown hair; blue eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Small scar on the top of his head.
    Clothing: A light blue t-shirt, blue jean shorts, white socks and gray tennis shoes with Velcro tabs.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Allen was last seen leaving his family's home in Des Moines, Iowa on March 29, 1986 to visit a friend's house up the street, but he never arrived.


    To put in into perspective I live in a town near London, England. It has a reasonable crime rate. In the whole history of my town there has been 1 unsolved murder and NO missing people. 3 boys in and a half years is an awful awful lot. They look so similar as well...........

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    I also strongly feel that these cases are related. Funny how both John and Eugene were seen speaking to an adult male.
    I wonder if a sketch was made of this person.

    I wonder if any known sex offenders lived in this area at the time of these dissapearances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles_draken
    I started the post on Johnny Gosch, and there is information a plenty out there about this awful case. Another paper boy, that some believe were taken by the same people who took Johnny, is Eugene Martin. It is difficult to find information on this case. To my knowledge no info or resolution has happened in this case. According to Noreen Gosch, her son Johnny visited her in 1997 and told her the same people who took him had taken Eugene as well. If anyone has any info on the Eugene Martin case please share. This is a seldom talked about case it seems.
    I'm a little confused. Has John David Gosch been found? This is the first time I have heard about this case so I'm not up to speed at all. Nice sluthing!

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    John has never been found. His mother claims he came to visit her once as an adult at 3 am. He lives in hiding from the pedophile ring he escaped from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usher737
    John has never been found. His mother claims he came to visit her once as an adult at 3 am. He lives in hiding from the pedophile ring he escaped from.
    I appreciated your clearing that up for me, I need to go back and educate myself on these case's.

    Its interesting that John claims, he met Eugene while he was being held, I wonder if he or his mom informed the LE. I would like to know their response.
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    Moggie, if it helps you understand it any there is another thread on Johnny Gosch further down on the cold cases, just ignore me though if you have seen it. It is a long and somewhat confusing story. Hope this helps.
    Does anyone know of any unsolved childrens/early teens homicides in the area around that time frame that could be linked?


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    Having so little info on the Eugene Martin case it is my opinion he is infact deceased, but if Johnny Gosch is indeed alive, as his mother says, then he may be able to shed some light for everyone. If he is indeed alive I hope he can come forward at some point and reveal all that has happened to him in his tragic life. I would be curious to know if the Martins have continued pursuing their missing son, I've never heard so much as a quote from them. That doesn't mean they haven't been looking, I just haven't heard anything.

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    Case Similarities

    While there may be a connection between all three missing boys: Gosch, Martin, and Allen, it is the first two that were considered to be connected by Law Enforcement from the very start of the Martin case.

    Detective James Rowley, of Des Moines was the primary investigator in the Eugene Martin disappearance (12 August 1984), and he compared notes from day one with Detective Lyle McKinney who was primary on the Johnny Gosch case. The two cases were very close in character.

    Eugene "Gene" Martin was 13 years old and had a job delivering newspapers. His disappearance took place very early on a Sunday morning just as he was starting his route. Gene got up at 4:30AM and left his house at 5. Between 5:45 and 6:05, he was seen folding papers and talking to a man on the corner where his bundle of papers had been delivered. Between 6:10 and 6:15, his bag was on the ground with ten folded papers in it and Eugene Martin was gone.

    Calls started coming in to the newspaper office from customers who had not received their papers, and the paper manager went out and found the bag, looked for the boy, delivered the papers himself, and did not start looking for Gene again until 8:40. Police were called shortly after that.

    Gene's father believed that the person who abducted his son might have been watching him for some time and saw the opportunity to do something that morning. Usually, Gene's older stepbrother delivered the papers with him, except that he had attended a party the evening before, and did not get up to help Gene that Sunday morning.

    Eugene was last seen wearing blue jeans, a gray and white midriff shirt with red sleeves, and blue tennis shoes with white diagonal stripes.

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    I did a quick scout around in the last 35 years there are only 9 currently missing male children in the whole of Iowa according to www.missingkids.com - the national missing children website. They are-
    Johnny Gosch
    Eugene Martin
    Tyler Joseph Vermace. "Endangered runaway" Missing since Jan 31 2005
    Zachary Michael Burns. "Endangered Runaway". Missing since May 16th 2005
    Shane A CRIPPE, "Missing". Missing since July 14th 2004
    Tyler Andrew Holmes. "Endangered Runaway". Missing from Des Moines. Missing since 18th July 2004

    I don't think any of the other 4 are linked............
    There are 3 missing female children in the last 35 years from Iowa according to missingkids.com: 2 are in the right, vague timeframe:

    KIMBERLY DOSS
    Case Type: Endangered Missing
    DOB: Feb 12, 1966 Sex: Female
    Missing Date: Sep 1, 1982 Race: White
    Age Now: 39 Height: 5'2" (157 cm)
    Missing City: DAVENPORT Weight: 120 lbs (54 kg)
    Missing State : IA Hair Color: Brown
    Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Brown

    COLLEEN VANITA SIMPSON
    Case Type: Non Family Abduction
    DOB: Dec 5, 1960 Sex: Female
    Missing Date: Oct 5, 1975 Race: White
    Age Now: 44 Height: 5'7" (170 cm)
    Missing City: BEDFORD Weight: 90 lbs (41 kg)
    Missing State : IA Hair Color: Black
    Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Hazel

    and 1 other endangered runaway.

    Marc Allen is NOT listed on missing kids.com. However he is listed on Iowas missing persons website.http://www.dps.state.ia.us/dci/mpic/allenm.htm
    VERY peculiar.


    Johnny Gosch and Eugene Martin are listed as "Involuntary" missing on Iowas site-A person of any age who is missing under circumstances indicating that the disappearance was not voluntary, i.e., abduction or kidnapping.

    Whilst Marc Allen is listed as "Juvenile" missing-A juvenile who is missing and declared unemancipated as defined by the laws of his/her state of residence and does not meet any of the entry criteria for Disability, Endangered, Involuntary, Familial Kidnap, Abduction, Catastrophe or Lost or Wandered Away

    Which is odd. Maybe its because there were no suspects or witnesses for this case?

    There are 6 unidentified bodies listed on the Iowa site. 5 men, all adult and 1 black female child. None of which could possibly be any of the boys.
    http://www.dps.state.ia.us/dci/ud/index.htm


    In the period Jan 1981- Jan 1991 there are 90 listed missing children for the whole of America. I had a quick look through but I may have missed something else...........However, this child went missing on his paper round also and is listed as non-family abduction.

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

    BRIAN R. BLEYL
    Case Type: Non Family Abduction
    DOB: Dec 2, 1968 Sex: Male
    Missing Date: Feb 28, 1981 Race: White
    Age Now: 36 Height: 4'11" (150 cm)
    Missing City: PHOENIX Weight: 100 lbs (45 kg)
    Missing State : AZ Hair Color: Brown
    Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Brown

    There are 1 and a half pages of registered sex offenders listed in Iowa http://www.iowasexoffender.com/searc...&simple=submit

    There are no linked unsolved homicides in iowa that I could find.

    I don't know my US gerography I'm afraid so I've no- idea how close he was to Iowa. Can anyone help me out with that?? 3 missing boys of 90 in that 10 year period and 3 are from Iowa over a 3 year period. They HAVE to be linked.
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    My personal opinion is that Martin and Gosch were abducted by atleast the same person. Noreen Gosch has said the same 'syndicate', which may infact be true. Many people in the Gosch thread blasted the 'conspiracy theory' aspect, but just because it is a wild accusation doesn't mean it isn't true. I think these boys were taken by the same people, and may or may not have known each other in captivity. If Johnny is alive he may know the fate of other boys from around the country. I just wonder what happened to Eugene.

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    I have wondered and wondered about the Noreen Gosch theory forever. www.johnnygosch.com If she is making it up - why?? But it seems so far fetched. I wish she would take a lie detector test...........I wonder how Euegen Martins family feel about all this? They've never really said anything publicily I wonder if they believe her?

    I found this article dated May 2005 suggesting that Jacob Wetterling may also have been taken by the same people.
    Thursday, May 26, 2005

    http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2005/...osch-case.html

    New Leads In The Johnny Gosch Case
    KWWL
    5/25/2005

    A cold case is heating up. Iowa paperboy Johnny Gosch vanished without a trace in 1982. But, now, after KWWL's story last month on Johnny's disappearance, there is new information on the case.

    A private investigator working Johnny's disappearance believe his kidnapping was part of a government conspiracy. The investigator shared new evidence with KWWL and it could be the break needed to solve this case. That evidence includes a recorded phone call that has never been heard publicly, until now.

    During the early morning of Septmeber 5, 1982, Johnny Gosch was kidnapped from a West Des Moines neighborhood while delivering newspapers. It was silent, quick and professional. "This man has told us that at the end of their investigation that there were 834 kids involved that were kidnapped," says James Rothstein. He's talking about a former CIA agent who must remain anonymous.................snip

    snip..................Rothstein is talking about individuals who would spend as much as $10,000 to have sex with young boys and girls. And this new evidence points to the involvement of U.S. government officials. "They were using kids to compromise people. And what better way to compromise somebody than get a young boy with a politician or some powerful person that may be in the military or whatever and then you can compromise them and get what ever you want."

    Last month, people on the internet and investigators like Rothstein began to believe a man who passed himself off as a White House reporter and known male prostitute Jeff Gannon could be Johnny Gosch. And while Gannon's true idenity still can't be confirmed, Rothstein says the more clues he uncovers, the possibility Gannon may be Gosch increases, "When you look into the whole abduction of Johnny, what happened, the cover-up that took place, the way the kidnapping was done, this was a professional job and it fits the profile that I have seen over the years as a professional investigator."..........snip

    ................snip. And Rothstein's CIA informant says this: "We were specifically ordered to clear our name. This would make the American agency look pretty s****y, like we're all a bunch of f***ing child molesters."

    We requested information from the CIA on three kidnappings, Rothstein and his CIA informant believes to be connected. The first, Johnny Gosch, the second, Eugene Martin, kidnapped on August 12th, 1984 while delivering newspapers in Des Moines.

    And, Jacob Wetterling, who was kidnapped from his Minnesota neighborhood on October 22, 1989. The CIA responded to our request with this letter, denying the agency investigated any of the kidnapping cases. But, Rothstein's source says, it happened often and for big bucks, "You could order one of these kids, it was $2,500 to $3,000 up front then you had the balance of another $3,000 to $3,500 or $4,000 upon completion. In some cases, you know depending on the circumstances you can probably get them at the bargain basement price of $1,500, but most I think that we ever saw was for the bondage and the freaky s**t and that was an even $10,000 and people...these people would hand that money out like it was candy."

    That's what it cost to hire a kidnapper to steal a child like Johnny off the street. And with new details like this coming to light, catching Johnny's kidnappers might actually happen. "Any police agency that would get involved in this case to this date can solve that case. The case is more solvable now, than it has even been. And that case should have been solved hours after it happened. The witnesses are out there. You yourself have found some," Rothstein says.

    Those witnesses include a Black Hawk County woman who wishes to remain anonymous. She sent Rothstein this packet of information. "Johnny Gosch is mentioned in it involving something that was going on years ago in the Waterloo, Iowa area," Rothstein says.

    And while Rothstein hasn't determined the significance of the possible Waterloo connection, he says it's just as important as the phone conversation he had with a CIA agent. "That's solid information with names. That's where you start investigating and that should have been done years ago," he says.

    And because it wasn't, Rothstein continues to make phone calls, and work leads, hoping his next big break is the one that solves the mystery behind the disapperance of Johnny Gosch.

    For the past month, Rothstein has been tracking the activities of two suspects he believes could be responsible for kidnapping Johnny Gosch. We couldn't name them in our report because it hurt the investigation. We agreed to keep their identities secret so we could tell you this story.
    posted by GREG ERICSON at 10:48 AM

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