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    MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

    The fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager Saturday by a police officer in a St. Louis suburb came after a struggle for the officer’s gun, police officials said Sunday, in an explanation that met with outrage and skepticism in the largely African-American community.The killing of the youth, Michael Brown, 18, ignited protests on Saturday and Sunday in Ferguson, Mo., a working-class suburb of about 20,000 residents. Hundreds of people gathered at the scene of the shooting to question the police and to light candles for Mr. Brown, who was planning to begin college classes on Monday.
    Mr. Brown’s stepfather, Louis Head, held a cardboard sign that said, “Ferguson police just executed my unarmed son.”

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    okay, I am so darned confused. How can there be two thread 15s? and why is the old one still open if this one is too? I think I might need a nap. I am on medication so maybe it is just that I am feeling loopy

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolJ View Post
    It is not the law that needs interpreting. We know it means OW would have to have a probable fear for his life or someone else's.

    What needs interpreting is whether or not OW had probable reason to believe that. It is your opinion he did, that is fine, I respect that. It is not however, a fact.
    Obviously, it is a fact because Wilson shot Brown dead because he was a threat and Wilson knows and followed the law. This case screams probable cause that Brown was a threat to the officer and the public. Fact, not opinion.

    (Links to strong arm robbery, Brown assaulting Wilson and trying to get his weapon, and TN vs. Garner are linked in these threads ad nauseam)

    Also see LambChop's link in the previous thread:

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5630000046.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcya View Post
    okay, I am so darned confused. How can there be two thread 15s? and why is the old one still open if this one is too? I think I might need a nap. I am on medication so maybe it is just that I am feeling loopy


    I was testing you all to see if anyone was awake. No, really, Beach had made up a new thread #15 not realizing I had already made one. I just forgot to go in and change the number. Hey, it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLSChook View Post
    Obviously, it is a fact because Wilson shot Brown dead because he was a threat and Wilson knows and followed the law. This case screams probable cause that Brown was a threat to the officer and the public. Fact, not opinion.

    (Links to strong arm robbery, Brown assaulting Wilson and trying to get his weapon, and TN vs. Garner are linked in these threads ad nauseam)

    Also see LambChop's link in the previous thread:

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5630000046.htm
    Who was he a threat to when he was running away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLSChook View Post
    Obviously, it is a fact because Wilson shot Brown dead because he was a threat and Wilson knows and followed the law. This case screams probable cause that Brown was a threat to the officer and the public. Fact, not opinion.

    (Links to strong arm robbery, Brown assaulting Wilson and trying to get his weapon, and TN vs. Garner are linked in these threads ad nauseam)

    Also see LambChop's link in the previous thread:

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5630000046.htm


    Some sleuthers have claimed that the Chief mispoke - several times- while discussing the incident's details. Yet his statements and some random Josie's person (neither of whom was actually there) are still deemed more credible than what- a half a dozen witnesses that were there? Say what?!?!
    That is interesting! I think I will wait for facts in the form of evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthy View Post
    Some sleuthers have claimed that the Chief mispoke - several times- while discussing the incident's details. Yet his statements and some random Josie's person (neither of whom was actually there) are still deemed more credible than what- a half a dozen witnesses that were there? Say what?!?!
    That is interesting! I think I will wait for facts in the form of evidence.
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    Excellent post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthy View Post
    Some sleuthers have claimed that the Chief mispoke - several times- while discussing the incident's details. Yet his statements and some random Josie's person (neither of whom was actually there) are still deemed more credible than what- a half a dozen witnesses that were there? Say what?!?!
    That is interesting! I think I will wait for facts in the form of evidence.
    Evidence and direct testimony rules. MOO, smarter to wait to judge.
    BBM - Well we do know some facts and they contradict the most important statement of the eye witnesses - that he was shot in the back, that he had his arms raised in surrender....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthy View Post
    Some sleuthers have claimed that the Chief mispoke - several times- while discussing the incident's details. Yet his statements and some random Josie's person (neither of whom was actually there) are still deemed more credible than what- a half a dozen witnesses that were there? Say what?!?!
    That is interesting! I think I will wait for facts in the form of evidence.
    Evidence and direct testimony rules. MOO, smarter to wait to judge.
    Nobody seems to even be mentioning Josie to support a justified shooting so I am confused by your posts.
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    No more references to G. Zimmerman or it could get you a short vacation. There is no connection or similarity between the two cases.

    Also, many of the posters have worked very, very hard in doing research and getting information such as, the ME reported all shots were to MB's front, between the recording of the shots and the fact that MB fell face down means he was facing the officer when he was shot (which, ironically matches the ME report). Given what we know about how fast the officer fired it is not feasible MB was shot in the back. It would defy physics. Stating, "I heard" is not a fact, nor opinion. It would be considered a rumor which only leads to baiting. Just do not do it. Verify your facts and state so clearly before telling another poster they are wrong. Opinions are opinions and disagreements about them are permitted. Our goal here is to get to the truth and posting rumors as facts will not get us there, so please post responsibly.

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    PLS READ Mo Statute re LEO's Use of Force in Making Arrest

    Please read carefully.

    Missouri Statute Section 563.046
    Defense of Justification

    Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest.

    563.046. 1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.

    2. The use of any physical force in making an arrest is not justified under this section unless the arrest is lawful or the law enforcement officer reasonably believes the arrest is lawful.

    3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is
    justified in using deadly force only

    (1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or
    (2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary
    to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested

    (a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or
    (b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or
    (c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.
    4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.
    (L. 1977 S.B. 60)
    Effective 1-1-79
    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5630000046.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthy View Post
    Some sleuthers have claimed that the Chief mispoke - several times- while discussing the incident's details. Yet his statements and some random Josie's person (neither of whom was actually there) are still deemed more credible than what- a half a dozen witnesses that were there? Say what?!?!
    That is interesting! I think I will wait for facts in the form of evidence.
    Evidence and direct testimony rules. MOO, smarter to wait to judge.
    BBM
    Half a dozen witnesses that all tell different versions. The 3 main eye witnesses that have done the media rounds can't even keep their versions straight. It's hard to believe anything coming from the "eye witnesses" period. The stories don't even add up or make sense, bottom line.

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