992 users online (130 members and 862 guests)  


The Killing Season - Websleuths

Websleuths News


Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 36
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    465

    Raven's Health

    I have heard a RUMOR that Raven has been treated for mania, (from what I can tell from reading, mania is also known as manic depressive order, and also as bi-polar disorder…. With all sorts of variations inherent in a particular diagnosis. Someone with better medical knowledge can jump in and clarify some of that….).

    From what I’ve HEARD, at least in the past Raven was on medication to help control the manic times. (No idea what exact medication). From what I gather from reading a little on all of this, the medications can be very helpful at times, if taken regularly… Without medication being taken, the swings can be dramatic – one minute the person is "up," and excitable to the point of seeming out of control…the next minute, the person could be "down," to the point of being clinically depressed. With meds, often there is at least some level of stability…

    "The best way to avoid these mood swings is to get treatment for your bipolar. But unfortunately, periods of hypomania, mania, or depression aren’t completely preventable. Even people who always take their medication and are careful with their health can still have mood swings from time to time." (WebMD)

    I have no idea IF Raven was still on medication, or not. Also, I don’t know anything about his history in this regard, i.e., when this started, how long he was on meds, if he was still being treated, etc.

    If you read some of the literature, it’s fairly striking. Below is an excerpt about mania from WebMD – http://my.webmd.com/content/article/102/106777.htm

    "The dramatic mood swings of bipolar disorder do not follow a set pattern. Depression does not always follow mania. A person may experience the same mood state several times -- for weeks, months, even years at a time -- before suddenly having the opposite mood. Also, the severity of mood phases can differ from person to person."
    "Mania: The fast ideas start coming too fast and there are far too many ... overwhelming confusion replaces clarity ... you stop keeping up with it … memory goes. Infectious humor ceases to amuse. Your friends become frightened ... everything is now against the grain ... you are irritable, angry, frightened, uncontrollable, and trapped."

    "If you have three or more of the mania symptoms below most of the day -- nearly every day -- for one week or longer, you may be having a manic episode:

    • Excessive happiness, hopefulness, and excitement
    • Sudden changes from being joyful to being irritable, angry, and hostile
    • Restlessness, increased energy and less need for sleep
    • Rapid talk, talkativeness
    • Distractibility
    • Racing thoughts
    • High sex drive
    • Tendency to make grand and unattainable plans
    • Tendency to show poor judgment, such as deciding to quit a job
    • Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity -- unrealistic beliefs in one’s ability, intelligence, and powers; may be delusional
    • Increased reckless behaviors (such as lavish spending sprees, impulsive sexual indiscretions, abuse of alcohol or drugs or ill-advised business decisions)
    Some people with bipolar disorder become psychotic, hearing things that aren’t there. They may hold onto false beliefs, and cannot be swayed from them. In some instances, they see themselves as having superhuman skills and powers -- even consider themselves to be god-like."

    I read through some of these symptoms, and I feel like I’m reading a summary of so many of the things we’ve learned about Raven – grand plans, poor judgment, lavish spending, inflated self esteem.
    And the consequences of manic episodes can be alarming –

    "The Appeal of Mania –

    When people with bipolar disorder are depressed, they almost always know that something is wrong. Nobody likes feeling that way.

    But it’s different for people who are hypomanic or manic. Often, they don’t think anything is wrong. Or if they notice a difference in their mood and personality, they think it’s an improvement.

    Mania and hypomania can be seductive. You might feel more energized, creative, and interesting. You might be able to get extraordinary amounts of work done. So what’s the problem?

    The fact is that manic phases often turn destructive. Some consequences of a manic episode can’t be undone. You can wipe out your savings account. You can have affairs that ruin your marriage. You can lose your job. Most dangerous of all, mania can make you do things that risk your life or the lives of others.

    Although hypomania or mania can feel good at the moment, in the long run, you’ll be happier, healthier, more productive, and more successful if you can keep a stable mood."

    http://my.webmd.com/content/article/102/106804.htm
    Keeping in mind that any mental illness effects not only the person, but often family, friends, etc. Mania is serious business, obviously. And I certainly hope that IF Raven suffered from this, that in fact he was on medications, and continued to be, as long as necessary. These manic episodes must be terrifying - to the person, and those around him/her. And without some sort of treatment, whether therapy, medications, or a combination, it seems there can often be serious consequences.

    Again, I report all of this information primarily as RUMOR, with regards to Raven. If anyone reading has any additional info to substantiate, that would be great!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    About 10 miles outside of Philadelphia, PA
    Posts
    7,218
    Quote Originally Posted by SouthEastSleuth
    Mania and hypomania can be seductive. You might feel more energized, creative, and interesting. You might be able to get extraordinary amounts of work done.
    I just MAJORLY got the creeps, remembering the flurry of web activity and reflection about his life that Raven posted in the days before Janet's murder.

    ETA: Is anyone able to verify if Raven has been clinically labeled as a manic? Has he ever been treated/medicated for such?

    "Be the change you wish to see in the world."
    Mahatma Gandhi

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    4,423
    ..we're on the same wavelength on that JG....i thought the same thing when i read that...
    my opinion...........and i happen to agree with it.....

  4. #4
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    East of the Mississippi
    Posts
    1,209
    Quote Originally Posted by SouthEastSleuth
    "The dramatic mood swings of bipolar disorder do not follow a set pattern. Depression does not always follow mania. A person may experience the same mood state several times -- for weeks, months, even years at a time -- before suddenly having the opposite mood. Also, the severity of mood phases can differ from person to person."
    "Mania: The fast ideas start coming too fast and there are far too many ... overwhelming confusion replaces clarity ... you stop keeping up with it … memory goes. Infectious humor ceases to amuse. Your friends become frightened ... everything is now against the grain ... you are irritable, angry, frightened, uncontrollable, and trapped."

    "If you have three or more of the mania symptoms below most of the day -- nearly every day -- for one week or longer, you may be having a manic episode:
    • Excessive happiness, hopefulness, and excitement
    • Sudden changes from being joyful to being irritable, angry, and hostile
    • Restlessness, increased energy and less need for sleep
    • Rapid talk, talkativeness
    • Distractibility
    • Racing thoughts
    • High sex drive
    • Tendency to make grand and unattainable plans
    • Tendency to show poor judgment, such as deciding to quit a job
    • Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity -- unrealistic beliefs in one’s ability, intelligence, and powers; may be delusional
    • Increased reckless behaviors (such as lavish spending sprees, impulsive sexual indiscretions, abuse of alcohol or drugs or ill-advised business decisions)
    Wow, this does sound like someone we know. I'm just thinking IF Raven was being treated for mania, was off his meds, and killed Janet....would this be a case for the "twinkie defense"??
    Justice For Janet Christiansen Abaroa!

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    About 10 miles outside of Philadelphia, PA
    Posts
    7,218
    Quote Originally Posted by ewwwinteresting
    [/list]Wow, this does sound like someone we know. I'm just thinking IF Raven was being treated for mania, was off his meds, and killed Janet....would this be a case for the "twinkie defense"??
    I doubt it since he's an adult and is capable of being responsible for taking his medication. I can see, however, that if he was on meds at the time and did this, and then admitted it immediately afterwards, a jury might be more sympathetic during sentencing. JMO.

    "Be the change you wish to see in the world."
    Mahatma Gandhi

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    East of the Mississippi
    Posts
    1,209
    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl
    I doubt it since he's an adult and is capable of being responsible for taking his medication. I can see, however, that if he was on meds at the time and did this, and then admitted it immediately afterwards, a jury might be more sympathetic during sentencing. JMO.
    IF he admitted it immediately afterwards, showed remorse, etc., I too could see a jury be sympathetic BUT now with his actions afterward, no way!
    Justice For Janet Christiansen Abaroa!

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    13
    SES this goes along with what I have been told about him. Of course I would still have to call it rumor because the only contact that I've had with him since our initial contact was through my friend telling me that he said hi and me telling my friend to tell him I said hi. So, I can't say for a fact that what I was told was what he really said. However, my friend did have direct contact with him and I see no reason that they would make up anything about him (never have about anyone). We would talk after they would talk. Most of their communication was on IM. And, when he talked about his struggle with depression.......my friend & I thought him to be bipolar (I like diagnosing people). He told them that he would go on & off his meds just like your account of a manic says. This is the main reason that my friend questioned his innocence from day one. There has been no contact from Raven to my friend since a while before Janet's murder, but I would imagine that if he were in Utah that he would contact them. Of course, maybe he's afraid that they think he did it???

  8. #8
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    East of the Mississippi
    Posts
    1,209
    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe
    There has been no contact from Raven to my friend since a while before Janet's murder, but I would imagine that if he were in Utah that he would contact them. Of course, maybe he's afraid that they think he did it???
    It would be interesting to see how many of Raven's friends thinks he did it. We all know Raven and his family think he is innocent....hmmm....I guess I can't say that. What if some of Raven's family think he is guilty and either are afraid to say or would protect him from a crime?
    Justice For Janet Christiansen Abaroa!

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    13
    Quote Originally Posted by ewwwinteresting
    It would be interesting to see how many of Raven's friends thinks he did it. We all know Raven and his family think he is innocent....hmmm....I guess I can't say that. What if some of Raven's family think he is guilty and either are afraid to say or would protect him from a crime?
    The thing is (I know you all will think I'm an idiot), if he were to at least step up and say I did not do this. I would never do anything like this and I want to hunt down the guy that did this.......I would be inclined to believe him. I seriously get ill when I even think that he possibly did have anything to do with it. I almost threw-up the moment I heard that Janet had been murdered & I know if I was told that Raven had done it for sure, there would be no stopping the puke from coming up. I want to believe that Raven is innocent. I don't want to think that anyone I have ever met & liked, mind you, could do something like this. So, it wouldn't take much for me to defend him. However, there is no one saying anything and his wife is dead and he is the only link to the crime. All the research that has been done doesn't even suggest that it could be someone else. I am still holding out hope that somehow they will make an arrest and I can either be sick or try to help find the perp that did this!!

  10. #10
    Jenifred is offline I can feel it coming in the air tonight......
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    America's Dairyland, WI
    Posts
    643
    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe
    The thing is (I know you all will think I'm an idiot), if he were to at least step up and say I did not do this. I would never do anything like this and I want to hunt down the guy that did this.......I would be inclined to believe him.
    Unfortunately, I think that Mark Hacking and Scott Peterson have made it difficult for other innocent parties to step up and say "I'm innocent." But I do agree with you that it would have done a lot in his favor if he had come out and said it.

    And if he's guilty, he's been quite lucky by not having this in the media limelight.
    Last edited by Jenifred; 07-01-2005 at 07:27 PM. Reason: Adding a thought


  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    East of the Mississippi
    Posts
    1,209
    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe
    The thing is (I know you all will think I'm an idiot), if he were to at least step up and say I did not do this. I would never do anything like this and I want to hunt down the guy that did this.......I would be inclined to believe him. I seriously get ill when I even think that he possibly did have anything to do with it. I almost threw-up the moment I heard that Janet had been murdered & I know if I was told that Raven had done it for sure, there would be no stopping the puke from coming up. I want to believe that Raven is innocent. I don't want to think that anyone I have ever met & liked, mind you, could do something like this. So, it wouldn't take much for me to defend him. However, there is no one saying anything and his wife is dead and he is the only link to the crime. All the research that has been done doesn't even suggest that it could be someone else. I am still holding out hope that somehow they will make an arrest and I can either be sick or try to help find the perp that did this!!
    Of course we wouldn't think you are an idiot To tell you the truth, i think there would be many people that would believe him if he was claiming his innocence and attempting to find the person who did this. I don't think anybody wants to believe Raven did this. But as you stated he really is the only link to the crime and neither he nor his family have publicly claimed his innocense. As someone previously posted, maybe they are saying more with their silence? Sorry ItsMe...think you have to get the vomit bags ready!
    Justice For Janet Christiansen Abaroa!

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    15

    raven's health

    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl
    I just MAJORLY got the creeps, remembering the flurry of web activity and reflection about his life that Raven posted in the days before Janet's murder.

    ETA: Is anyone able to verify if Raven has been clinically labeled as a manic? Has he ever been treated/medicated for such?
    Yes he was clinically labeled as manic. I know he also didn't like taking his meds. He would stop taking them for periods of time.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    4,423
    Quote Originally Posted by bluegirl
    Yes he was clinically labeled as manic. I know he also didn't like taking his meds. He would stop taking them for periods of time.
    ...hmmm..lots of interesting info on this site regarding bipolar manic depression, and why people go off their meds...why they should not....etc..

    http://www.healthyplace.com/communit...e/people_2.asp

    "Impaired awareness of illness is the single biggest reason why individuals with bipolar disorder do not take medication.
    "Without medication, the person's symptoms become worse. This often makes them more vulnerable to being victimized and committing suicide. It also often leads to rehospitalization, homelessness, being incarcerated in jail or prison, and violent acts against others because of the untreated symptoms. "

    http://www.healthyplace.com/communit...nosognosia.asp
    my opinion...........and i happen to agree with it.....

  14. #14
    Jenifred is offline I can feel it coming in the air tonight......
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    America's Dairyland, WI
    Posts
    643
    I'm still not completely convinced about this whole bi-polar stuff. I understand that it is real, and I don't mean to belittle the diagnosis in any way, but I think that this is setting him up for an easy way out. The "oh, I was off my meds" excuse. Hopefully, when this comes up in front of a jury, people will be able to see through the excuse.

    ETA: IMO, in a manic swing he'd be less likely to committ murder. I think that it would be in the depression phase that he's lash out. It sounds like the manic part is when people feel high, excessively happy, outgoing, willing to take risks, not do things like, hmmm...kill your wife.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    447
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenifred
    I'm still not completely convinced about this whole bi-polar stuff. I understand that it is real, and I don't mean to belittle the diagnosis in any way, but I think that this is setting him up for an easy way out. The "oh, I was off my meds" excuse. Hopefully, when this comes up in front of a jury, people will be able to see through the excuse.
    I believe that when it comes up before a jury, a jury will treat him as an adult who is responsible for taking his medications, and if he chose not to take his medication, then they would hold him liable for his actions.

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Raven Day ~ Raven Ashley Rud 1997-2012
    By Jacie Estes in forum Up to the Minute
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-29-2012, 12:15 PM
  2. Health Food... or Health Fraud?
    By Dark Knight in forum Up to the Minute
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 10-14-2009, 12:49 PM
  3. Raven-isms and Raven lingo
    By PrayersForMaura in forum Janet Christiansen Abaroa
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 06-26-2005, 07:34 AM

Tags for this Thread