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    This is quite a quote from Nancy's father Garry in the article: "We're pleased to have closure for the girls and for our family," Rentz said, referring to the Coopers' two young daughters, who have been in the Rentzes' custody since 2008."

    The value of closure for the children is more important to them than seeing Brad serve (what I think) would be a more appropriate period of time in prison (because I believe its first degree or nothing based on the state's case). It shows the Rentzes have a very civil life-view, one including a sense of forgiveness and not focused on punishment. They have behaved in a very exemplary way throughout this process in how they handled everything... the initial moves for custody, being firm in their convictions but never lashing out, pulling together as a family, and making it more about the children than their own loss.

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    Thank you, Salem............
    ......The next court date for Brad is Sept.22, should be interesting to see what he and his attorneys decide.

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    In Canada, when there is a guilty plea it is often accompanied with an Agreed Statement of Facts, which sets out the detail about what the person is admitting to. I think this is done so that, in case any issues arise in the future, there can be no doubt to what the person is admitting to doing versus what the prosecution claims they have done.

    Is the process similar in NC? Or does he just plea to 2nd degree without admitting any particular fact?

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    I bet he won't stay around here, i would s+++ my pants if i saw him browsing the grocery store.

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    I hate this outcome. This isn't a 2nd degree murder. If the google evidence wasn't planted, then this was premeditated 1st degree murder. If it was, then it is not guilty. I get why both parties would agree to this, but it isn't justice for either side.

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    From the N & O:

    Brad Cooper may choose plea deal over new trial in wife's death

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/09/...=/99/100/&rh=1

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    I think it is important to note that, at least according to the articles I've read, this information is coming from the Rentz's. Neither the prosecution nor the defense have commented. Now I assume that the prosecution has been in contact with the Rentz's, hence the reason why they believe that there is a plea deal expected. According to the N&O, "His former in-laws have alerted media outlets that they plan to come to Raleigh from Canada with hopes of closure in a case that keeps the two Cooper girls, now 8 and 10, in a state of limbo."

    As to whether BC is seriously considering the deal, we'll probably need to wait until the 22nd. Because of the limited information, I think it is too soon to determine whether the deal on the table is an Alford plea or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oenophile View Post
    I think it is important to note that, at least according to the articles I've read, this information is coming from the Rentz's. Neither the prosecution nor the defense have commented. Now I assume that the prosecution has been in contact with the Rentz's, hence the reason why they believe that there is a plea deal expected. According to the N&O, "His former in-laws have alerted media outlets that they plan to come to Raleigh from Canada with hopes of closure in a case that keeps the two Cooper girls, now 8 and 10, in a state of limbo."

    As to whether BC is seriously considering the deal, we'll probably need to wait until the 22nd. Because of the limited information, I think it is too soon to determine whether the deal on the table is an Alford plea or not.
    The only plea mentioned is one for 2nd degree murder...I doubt Cooper will be offered an
    Alford plea.
    Even though his conviction has been overturned, the court did find him guilty the first time around.
    I think the difference with Raven Abaroa getting an Alford plea was that the Jury hung the 1st trial, which also makes me wonder if Jason Young was ever offered a plea between trials 1 and 2........
    JMO

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    I've been away for a long while, can someone refresh me as to the Frye evidence please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracielee View Post
    I've been away for a long while, can someone refresh me as to the Frye evidence please?
    As I understand it, Chris Frye of Cisco discovered evidence of a router, matching the MAC address of one of the routers Brad had borrowed, connected to Brad's computer the Friday evening before the murder. The evidence was apparently through a Windows System log. This evidence was delivered to the prosecution late in the trial, after the prosecution had already presented their case in chief. The judge disallowed the testimony due to discovery violations.

    That is only my understanding of what was claimed. As I never heard the proffer nor read the transcript, I have no idea how accurate this is.

    If the evidence is accurate, it would certainly be open to be introduced in the second trial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oenophile View Post
    As I understand it, Chris Frye of Cisco discovered evidence of a router, matching the MAC address of one of the routers Brad had borrowed, connected to Brad's computer the Friday evening before the murder. The evidence was apparently through a Windows System log. This evidence was delivered to the prosecution late in the trial, after the prosecution had already presented their case in chief. The judge disallowed the testimony due to discovery violations.

    That is only my understanding of what was claimed. As I never heard the proffer nor read the transcript, I have no idea how accurate this is.

    If the evidence is accurate, it would certainly be open to be introduced in the second trial.
    As someone who has believed Brad Cooper to be guilty, that evidence sounds pretty damning. Added to all the rest of the evidence against him, I can see why he's perhaps looking for a plea. Thanks for your explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracielee View Post
    As someone who has believed Brad Cooper to be guilty, that evidence sounds pretty damning. Added to all the rest of the evidence against him, I can see why he's perhaps looking for a plea. Thanks for your explanation.
    I agree that the evidence, as stated, sounds damning. My challenge with it is that I don't think it has been vetted yet. First, we haven't actually heard the evidence, as of the moment it is simply hearsay. Hence, my description could be wrong. Second, it hadn't been examined by a defense expert when it was introduced, so we don't know if the digital data actually says what Frye said it says.

    But you are correct, if the evidence is accurate as stated, this would be reason to take a plea.

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    Re: The Frye evidence - This is going back to the alleged spoofed call - this is to be evidence that a specific router was hooked up to spoof the 6:40AM phone call from the Cooper land line to Brad's cell phone.

    Even if they could provide evidence of this (I *highly* doubt they have it), it still does not account for the fact that the type of call they allege was automated in this fashion has a maximum potential of 23 seconds. The call in question is 32 seconds long.

    Don't you think that if they had any evidence whatsoever of a faked phone call, they would have highlighted it at trial? Of course they would have.

    Did you know that Detective Young signed all the routers out of evidence from the Cooper home for 4 weeks and there is NO discovery on it. There is no explanation provided for what they did with them. Young testified that he simply signed them out because the FBI guys wanted them. Daniels testified that he had no knowledge of this - Young was tasked with all the computer related stuff. The FBI stated that they never looked at any routers and were never asked to look at any routers so someone is lying. Nobody knows anything... hmmm. Is it possible they looked at them and found even more exculpatory evidence that there was NO spoofed call at the alleged time? I think certainly it is very possible.

    The entire thing was fabricated completely out of thin air. They searched and searched and there is not a log file, a record, nothing that proves a call was generated. They went to great lengths to suggest ways it "could be" done because they know the case falls apart if Nancy really did call Brad that morning. Of course she did. It is consistent with everything else that happened that morning. Bella saw her. Officer Hayes saw her and so did 15 other people.

    They have nothing. No evidence. The reason there IS a plea deal is because they have nothing and they know it and they do not want to go to trial and face the humiliation of having the world see how corrupt the entire investigation and trial was.

    If there is any truth to the plea acceptance (I am skeptical), it would only be because Brad experienced a very unfair trial once and there is nothing preventing it from happening again. It does not mean the state has some damning new evidence.

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    I disagree. If BC cops a plea it seals his guilt IMO. He's got nothing to lose going to trial again. He's entitled to a public defender, it will cost him nothing but his time, and he's got plenty of that. He's already been sentenced to the highest punishment. A second trial is a win/win for BC, *unless* he knows the evidence against him. Everything, every keystroke, leaves a footprint somewhere. And BC knows the skill set of his former co-workers. He's guilty, he's been proven guilty once, and his only shot at getting out of prison is copping a plea.

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    Agree with Gracie .

    Brad has been given another shot at being completely exonerated legally, walking away free forever, and he has the advantage of knowing already that he can bring in multiple computer experts and those witnesses will be allowed to testify on his behalf. Brad also has whatever reports were produced from the 2 computer forensic defense witnesses who did the initial examination of his hard drive for his defense, but then were never called in the first trial to present their finding -- Rusty Gilmore and another guy (whose name I don't recall).

    On the other hand, Brad also knows that a witness, CFrye from Cisco, found something in a log file -- an entry in his computer's Windows Sys Event log that allegedly points to a specific router attached directly to the laptop and being configured at the time Brad claims to have been asleep, a router that was not in the home the next day. He knows that witness will testify if there's another trial and that the jury will have another piece of digital evidence to weigh.

    Brad knows all the evidence against him. He has all the stuff from the first trial and all the transcripts.

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