MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

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The fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager Saturday by a police officer in a St. Louis suburb came after a struggle for the officer’s gun, police officials said Sunday, in an explanation that met with outrage and skepticism in the largely African-American community.The killing of the youth, Michael Brown, 18, ignited protests on Saturday and Sunday in Ferguson, Mo., a working-class suburb of about 20,000 residents. Hundreds of people gathered at the scene of the shooting to question the police and to light candles for Mr. Brown, who was planning to begin college classes on Monday.
Mr. Brown’s stepfather, Louis Head, held a cardboard sign that said, “Ferguson police just executed my unarmed son.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/us/police-say-mike-brown-was-killed-after-struggle-for-gun.html


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...own-St-Louis&p=10861113&posted=1#post10861113

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reedus23 said:
Can you imagine how bad this could get if people are lawfully walking around carrying their guns up there? Gonna make it more likely that a cop gets shot and gonna make it more likely that cops are quicker to the trigger as well (understandably so).
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Concealed weapon permits are very hard to obtain. I doubt many of the protestors would qualify for one. It is a lengthy process which is heavy on background checks and accountability.


eta:

All applicants applying for an Missouri Concealed Weapon Permit must:
Be at least 21 years old. Members of the armed forces stationed in Missouri must be at least 18 years old. Their spouses must be at least 21 years old.
Resident of Missouri. Non-resident permits are issued to members of the armed forces stationed in Missouri and their spouses.
Be a citizen of the United States
has not been convicted, or pled guilty or nolo contendre to any felony
have no weapons-related misdemeanor conviction
have not been convicted within the past five years of a violent misdemeanor or have not been convicted of two or more misdemeanors involving DWI or possession or abuse of a controlled substance within the past five years
not be a fugative
not be currently charged with a felony
not have been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces
not have been adjudged mentally incompetent within the past five years
received the required firearms safety training at least eight hours in length
have not the respondent of a valid full order of protection
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I'd also like to point out that some LE can be real jerks while not being racist. Their jerkiness applies to all.
 
Just saw the video of the workers at the scene..

I have to tell you I am completely standing on this fence. I want to believe that LE does the right thing all the time but I really have questions about this .
 
Here is the screenshot from one of the videos that shows the brass in the street. The brass is located to the rear of MBs feet.

http://i.imgur.com/2Ex89IR.png?1

Since it is behind MB, this could show that OW was backing up when MB came towards him.
 
ScarlettScarpetta said:
Just saw the video of the workers at the scene..

I have to tell you I am completely standing on this fence. I want to believe that LE does the right thing all the time but I really have questions about this .
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When you're not looking... I'm gonna shove you off that fence!

;)


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That whole, "newly released video" (from the contractors) just strikes me the wrong way.
First of all, they're 50 feet away (seemed further to me, since my house is 50' long, and it sure didn't look like looking at my house from one end to the other), not 5, or even 10. Right there, I'm wondering how accurate what they saw/heard is. On the video I've seen, they (the news media), make it look like when the contractor is raising his arms, he's also voicing the, "he had his arms in the air...!" comment. Not true. This was done, imo, to foster sensationalism. He does say something about, "he had his hands in the air!", but him (the contractor) actually raising his arms seems like it was done in more of a "wtf!" gesture. If these guys were working, it seems more likely that it was the gunshots that alerted them, and made them stop what they were doing and look over. They didn't see everything that happened from the beginning, so how they can analyze what happened is beyond me.

And then a man pulls up in a car (right after this happens), and says, "he was no threat at all!" Where did THAT guy come from? In a car, no less? Was he parked on the street by MB and OW, and then drove around in a circle to the contractors?

Just seems odd to me. Looking from the distance the video is shot, it would be difficult to see and hear all they said they did...with a comfortable degree of accuracy, anyway.
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I'm not convinced it was the worker who said he had his hands up. Seems like it coming from off to the left to me.
 
For those keeping count:

“Michael Brown Jr. had his hands in the air, which is a sign of surrender, and was shot from this position,” Gray said, holding his hands in the air. “We have upwards of six witnesses saying that, which distinguishes this case from any other case – and is why you have interest from around the globe.”
http://www.stlamerican.com/news/pol...cb2-3963-11e4-b463-9372ebfa5ff3.html?mode=jqm

“Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting,” St. Louis Post-Dispatch crime reporter Christine Byers tweeted
http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/
 
Brought over from previous thread.
Post by Trident:
"I" would avoid being shot in the first place by not attacking a police officer after refusing to get out of the middle of darned road, nor would I have strong-armed a store clerk after taking cigars for whatever purpose.

As far as I'm concerned, any pain was self inflicted by MB's previous actions.
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Father: he has been taught to understand and do the proper thing that he was told by a police officer

Michael Brown Sr. says he told his son repeatedly to treat police with respect.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-brown-parents-reflect-on-their-loss/

“I let him know like, if the police ever get on you, I don’t care what you doing, give it up,” Mr. Ewing said. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/u...eeks-grappling-with-lifes-mysteries.html?_r=1

There were times when her son would talk back, Ms. McSpadden said. She relied on family and friends, including a retired juvenile officer, to help mentor her son.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/u...eeks-grappling-with-lifes-mysteries.html?_r=1



So, Michael knew better. He could've attacked the officer because he was on probation, or had a deferred adjudication or sentence, or a pending charge and a new arrest would've blown it up. That retired juvenile officer probably warned him before that charges as an adult are much more serious. (Speaking of, wonder who that juvie officer is, how Leslie came to know him/her, & what he/she might have to say now.) Michael's thought could have been "I CAN'T get arrested". He likely didn't expect the store to call the police.
 
SStarr33 said:
I'm not convinced it was the worker who said he had his hands up. Seems like it coming from off to the left to me.
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The workers said that and are showing hands up.. They were also interviewed and wanted to remain anonymous..

They are clearing saying he was hands up.. And the cop is just arriving and putting up crime scene tape..
 
From previous thread. Worthy of a repeat.
DebinGA
From AP article of yesterday's protest: "Highway Patrol Sgt. Al Nothum said that 35 people were arrested, most on charges of unlawful assembly. Nothum said protesters threw rocks, concrete blocks, bricks and bottles, leading to four charges of assault on a law enforcement officer."
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ScarlettScarpetta said:
The workers said that and are showing hands up.. They were also interviewed and wanted to remain anonymous..

They are clearing saying he was hands up.. And the cop is just arriving and putting up crime scene tape..[/QUOTE

Watch the video and let me know what you think--at this point I am taking everything with a grain of salt.
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ScarlettScarpetta said:
The workers said that and are showing hands up.. They were also interviewed and wanted to remain anonymous..

They are clearing saying he was hands up.. And the cop is just arriving and putting up crime scene tape..
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Personally, I don't care if Brown said, "I give up" while having his hands in the air.

As long as he kept advancing....
I don't care if he : skipped, hokey pokeyed, bum rushed, walking swiftly, sashayed, strolled, or lollygagged....he remained a threat to officer Wilson.



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Michael likely did not expect the store to call the police.


The convenience store where the robbery took place was boarded up, but open for business on Friday. A store manager, who declined to give his name, said he fears for his life and pleaded with reporters not to suggest that he called police.

“It’s very dangerous,” he said. “They kill us if they think we are responsible. People don’t understand that.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...8f5bc0-2588-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

Per this video, it looks like it was common knowledge that shop owners don't call LE. See approx :30-2:00. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8BG-B50xHo
(Iirc, orig video (which I can't find right now) was posted shortly after shooting and this guy has some information many didn't know yet. Much of his information is also wrong though. Just including it to show it appears some in the neighborhood just expect crimes won't be reported. Plus:

“Snitches Get Stitches” message spray painted on burned-out QuikTrip
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quikt...-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

It appears the word on the street (in fact, I think it's in one of Piaget's first interviews) was that Michael's strong arm robbery occurred at QT, thus why it was burned down, IMO.
 
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