896 users online (167 members and 729 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 1 of 99 1 2 3 11 51 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 1485
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    the Plains & Jordan-Hare stadium
    Posts
    17,926

    Discussion between the verdict and sentencing

    Oscar Pistorius: South Africa gears up for its 'trial of the century'

    (CNN) -- He was one of South Africa's favorite sons, an amputee track star who defied all the odds and sprinted into the hearts of millions during the 2012 Summer Olympics in London. She was a staggering beauty with the brains to match, a law graduate and model whose star was on the rise.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/...trial-preview/



    Pistorius channel goes on air in South Africa

    http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_306483/con...tguid=Ip4glGHn
    Watch live: Oscar Pistorius murder trial
    Follow events from Pretoria as paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius appears in court accused of murdering his girlfriend, the model Reeva Steenkamp.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...der-trial.html


    Links:

    Full Indictment-4 Counts-107 Witnesses

    http://www.scribd.com/embeds/1856954...endations=true

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...uling-20140225

    http://www.channel24.co.za/TV/News/D...bloid-20140228


    Twitter:

    https://twitter.com/oscartrial199

    https://twitter.com/GeraldImrayAP

    https://twitter.com/Debora_Patta

    Live Streaming:

    http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_of...l-live-stream/

    http://mybroadband.co.za/news/intern...streaming.html

    http://www.702.co.za/shows/oscar_stream.asp

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch...r-trial-day-9/

    http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistorius2.htm

    Live News Feed

    http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Os...torius_trial_4

    Trial Video Archive:

    http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_of...trial-archive/

    _________________________________________

    Thread #1 Thread #2 Thread #3 Thread #4 Thread #5 Thread #6 Thread #7 Thread #8 Thread #9 Thread #10 Thread #11 Thread #12 Thread #13 Thread #14 Thread #15 Thread #16 Thread #17 Thread #18 Thread #19 Thread #20 Thread #21 Thread #22 Thread #23 Thread #24 Thread #25 Thread #26 Thread #27 Thread #28 Thread #29 Thread #30 Thread #31 Thread #32 Thread #33 Thread #34 Thread #35 Thread #36 Thread #37 Thread #38 Thread #39 Thread #40 Thread #41 Thread #42 Thread #43 Thread #44 Thread#45 Thread #46 Thread #47 Thread #48 Thread #49 Thread #50 Thread #51 Thread #52

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    the Plains & Jordan-Hare stadium
    Posts
    17,926
    2nd Warning:
    Any more snarky, personal attacks and there will be a few members not posting for 3 days. I rarely issue TOs during verdict watches because I like to permit those following for months to be able to follow & post. However, you guys have options. Scroll & roll, use the ignore feature or sign off for a while. If you CHOOSE to continue to respond rudely, Time Outs will be issued starting now.

    *This post falls at random*

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    9,462

    Discussion between the verdict and sentencing

    There are a few new members who have joined the Pistorius forum. We are glad you are here! We look forward to your input and contributions.



    Continue discussion here...

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    Not much left to discuss. Perhaps the judge could sit in a room that small and not reasonably expect to get hit and killed but would anyone else do it? Let alone take that gamble four times??


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk and I have large thumbs.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    202
    I responded to a post on the last page of the old thread..so I'm posting my response here:

    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    Not only did Masipa talk about the bathroom window, amazingly, it even formed part of the basis for believing OP.
    As I mentioned in my previous post, there didnít seem to be much that she didnít believe about his story.

    "Evidence shows that at time he fired shots at toilet door, Mr Pistorius believed the deceased was in the bedroom, the judge says. This belief was communicated to a number of people shortly after the incident, she added.
    The judge said there is "nothing in the evidence to suggest that Mr Pistorius' belief was not genuinely entertained". She cites reasons including the bathroom window being open, and the toilet door being shut.
    "In the present case in his own version, the accused suspected that an intruder had entered through the bathroom window. HeÖ [said] he genuinely, though erroneously, believed that his life and that of the deceased was in danger," the judge said.
    "In the present case the accused is the only person who can say what his state of mind was when he fired the shots that killed the deceased," the judge said."
    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/14091...ng-her-verdict
    Thanks for correcting me. You're right it's amazing how she misused that piece of evidence to make it in favor of Pistorius. She forgot that the fact the window was open had nothing to do with intruders as there were no intruders. So Milady Masipa..could it be that he staged the scene by opening the window to fit his story and fool people like you?? Or could it be that he was not paranoid at all and slept with windows open?? Her reasoning ability leaves a lot to be desired...AMAZING!

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    53
    This is the last trial I'll follow again for a long time. Justice is for the rich.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk and I have large thumbs.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    ...on the veranda
    Posts
    3,581
    I just love that new thread smell. Thanks mods for all you do.
    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.



    Anxiety is the cousin visiting from out of town that depression felt obligated to bring to the party.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    72
    When even judge greenland is angry, that shows your doing something wrong.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    348
    Cherwell - I've only got a few minutes so I probably won't do this justice (ha ha) but this is in response to your comment about the appeal likely being rigged as well...

    I've been thinking about this and it seems unlikely that OP would go to all of the acting lessons/crying/puking nonsense if the verdict had been a foregone conclusion. Maybe Uncle Arnie ensured that the judge allocation was non random - this superficially looked very non biased because she was black, female and had a public reputation for "harsh" sentences. However, in legal circles she may have also been known for making decisions that were at least partially emotionally based, maybe because of her social work background.

    So... OP's DT devoted most of their time not to their "experts" who all appeared mid trial, pretty much, but to how best present him as seemingly remorseful, devastated and genuinely grieving. This resulted, as we saw, in a verdict that seemed to have been chosen first which was then supported by the appropriate aspects of HIS testimony.

    Of course, she wasn't meant to have made a legal mistake.

    All IMO
    Last edited by Jake18; 09-14-2014 at 11:37 PM. Reason: added IMO

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    202
    I'm not sure if this was posted already..but just in case:

    Chris Greenland, a retired South African high court judge, said this was a serious inconsistency.
    He told MailOnline: 'I am utterly bemused that this mistake was made.
    'I can't wrap my head around it. I have never seen a judge make such a big mistake especially when she had so much time to arrive at a judgement.
    'It's inexplicable.
    'She has misinterpreted herself with regard to the law because she herself said previously that Oscar Pistorius's defence was that he was not guilty of murder because he killed her by mistake thinking that he was shooting at an intruder.
    'Now, during her verdict, she made a statement that was inconsistent because she found that he had not foreseen that he would kill the human being on the other side of the door.
    'That was erroneous - she had already set out the law.
    'It was a fundamental mistake.'
    He believes the state would have a strong case on appeal.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Steenkamp.html


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    AU
    Posts
    4,334
    FYI Australian Newscorp article:

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...0uae-122705907

    Oscar Pistorius Set to Write Book. We Think There’s Something Very Wrong About That
    33 MINUTES AGO SEPTEMBER 15, 2014 2:05PM

    "...This doesn’t seem even halfway right... Reeva Steenkamp never got to have her say. Oscar Pistorius had his say in court and elsewhere. The world really doesn’t need to hear any more from him in any arena, whether in print, on an athletics track, or anywhere."...

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    6,279
    Here’s a gem from Masipa’s judgment. She goes through what Berger and Johnson said and concludes, “In my opinion it is absurd to conclude that the evidence of witnesses must be rejected in its entirety merely because the witnesses described the events in exactly the same way”.

    She immediately goes on to say … wait for it … “In any event, contradictions do not automatically lead to the rejection of the witnesses’ evidence as not every error negatively affects his credibility. Before determining the credibility of a witness, who contradicted himself or herself, a court has to evaluate all the facts taking into account the nature of the contradictions, their number, their importance and bearing on the rest of the evidence”.

    How then can she choose to believe everything of importance that OP said when he was caught out over and over and over either lying or tailoring his evidence. This just totally defies belief IMO. She herself said he gave his evidence in chief in a straight forward manner but only had difficulties during cross-examination.

    I’m suffering a typist’s equivalent of road rage at the moment.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    6,279
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuskier View Post
    FYI Australian Newscorp article:

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...0uae-122705907

    Oscar Pistorius Set to Write Book. We Think There’s Something Very Wrong About That
    33 MINUTES AGO SEPTEMBER 15, 2014 2:05PM

    "...This doesn’t seem even halfway right... Reeva Steenkamp never got to have her say. Oscar Pistorius had his say in court and elsewhere. The world really doesn’t need to hear any more from him in any arena, whether in print, on an athletics track, or anywhere."...
    This link isn't working for me in Oz.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    196
    Isn't a judge obliged to say why she discarded each and every piece of evidence? Of course there will be a couple of inconsistencies regarding witness testimony but when the fundamental part of four witnesses involve a woman screaming, guess what, there was most likely a woman screaming. And Masipa said herself that not all inconsistencies or even lies in the case of OP render their testimony invalid.

    I want to know her reasoning regarding bail inconsistencies, the duvet, the fans, the trail of blood, the alarm, the evading of security, and why an evasive and lying witness's story is accepted when it goes against the evidence, reason, common sense and is validated because they cried after the crime.

    ETA: from some of the bizarre contradictions she makes along with her chastising of OP in places it seems like she's already written multiple reasons why OP is guilty: witnesses SHOULD he accepted even though they're inconsistent or identical in places, accused was evasive and lied, it was obvious that he knew he could kill someone in the bathroom and so on. Then it seems she does a complete U-turn and starts filling the judgement up with contradictory, illogical and lacklustre reasoning to reflect a new opinion. And I know there's argument over Eventualis but I'm still having a hard time getting over premeditated!!
    Last edited by eimajjjj; 09-15-2014 at 01:51 AM.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    57
    I cannot express what I feel in words.......
    My friend was shot to death by her husband who claimed she was the devil and was told to kill her(he claimed temporary insanity). I come from a 3rd world country(pakistan), but I live overseas. Her husband/killer's death sentence was appealed and overturned to life in prison, and he has been rotting in jail since then. So there is still some justice there.

    OP had his faculties intact completely.......

    I cannot fathom what this judge is and was thinking, but this I can tell you.....

    OP has been let off the hook for murder (ridiculous reasons and misapplication of law)
    OP has been let off the hook for ammo possession (unbelievable! So collect all the ammo u want)
    OP has only been found guilty of Tasha's ONLY coz roux admitted it (if he hadn't he would have got off)
    OP has been granted bail
    OP will be given a suspended sentence no doubt about it

    I don't think state will appeal, they feel it won't come to anything!

    Sadly, judge masipa has reduced REEVA to something she used to fight against.....just a statistic of male on female violence!

    Nothing more will come of this and don't expect anything on 13 oct, it's already been decided.

Page 1 of 99 1 2 3 11 51 ... LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Retrial Day 43
    By LambChop in forum Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias
    Replies: 1596
    Last Post: 03-03-2015, 06:28 PM
  2. VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Retrial Day 42
    By LambChop in forum Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias
    Replies: 1562
    Last Post: 03-03-2015, 10:03 AM
  3. VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Break 2/27 thru 3/2
    By LambChop in forum Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias
    Replies: 1071
    Last Post: 02-27-2015, 10:23 PM
  4. VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Retrial Day 41
    By LambChop in forum Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias
    Replies: 1776
    Last Post: 02-26-2015, 07:13 PM
  5. VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 40
    By LambChop in forum Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias
    Replies: 913
    Last Post: 02-26-2015, 08:50 AM

Tags for this Thread