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    Tulsa exorcist facing increasing 'demonic activity'; Black Mass Sunday in OKC

    When Satanists at the civic center in Oklahoma City conduct their public Black Mass at 7 p.m. Sunday, Catholics across eastern Oklahoma will be marching around their church buildings in an hour of prayer.

    Diocese of Tulsa Bishop Edward J. Slattery has asked every priest in the diocese to conduct a Eucharistic Holy Hour during the time of the Black Mass, with outdoor processions, to "give a public witness to our faith in the Eucharist which is being so profoundly mocked and ridiculed by this event.
    Much more here in Tulsa World: http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/...77ce54478.html

    Um....so what ya'll think about this?

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    If the Civic Center is a government building then a religious event should not take place - state and religion can not mix? (at least that's what I thought)

    To each their own for their belief systems. Personally I am not a Satanic follower, I am a Christian.

    I do believe if there is good, there is evil.

    It's a sad day in America when my niece could not put the birth of Christ as a historical event on her study papers. Even though our calendar years are based on said event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    If the Civic Center is a government building then a religious event should not take place - state and religion can not mix? (at least that's what I thought)

    To each their own for their belief systems. Personally I am not a Satanic follower, I am a Christian.

    I do believe if there is good, there is evil.


    It's a sad day in America when my niece could not put the birth of Christ as a historical event on her study papers. Even though our calendar years are based on said event.
    Good points. Ignore them and they'll go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    If the Civic Center is a government building then a religious event should not take place - state and religion can not mix? (at least that's what I thought)

    To each their own for their belief systems. Personally I am not a Satanic follower, I am a Christian.

    I do believe if there is good, there is evil.

    It's a sad day in America when my niece could not put the birth of Christ as a historical event on her study papers. Even though our calendar years are based on said event.
    I'm not sure about this, but I believe a community center can be rented by any group. It is government-sponsored events or adorning government buildings with public displays of religious belief that are problematic.

    As for the "birth of Christ", how could your niece locate it when scholars cannot? The best estimates are 4-7 BCE, but if indeed Jesus was an historical person, he was born before the dawn of the Common Era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Much more here in Tulsa World: http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/...77ce54478.html

    Um....so what ya'll think about this?
    I think Satan and so-called "satanism" are entirely constructs of Christianity, so why not get everybody involved? But if Jesus was anything like he is portrayed in the Gospels, I'm sure He'd say that hour would be better spent ministering to the needy.

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    It's Oklahoma, my home state. I would expect nothing less. I guess they are just covering their bases; they tried to ban Sharia Law and that didn't work, so now they can work on banning Satanism.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3770021.html

    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Much more here in Tulsa World: http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/...77ce54478.html

    Um....so what ya'll think about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I'm not sure about this, but I believe a community center can be rented by any group. It is government-sponsored events or adorning government buildings with public displays of religious belief that are problematic.

    As for the "birth of Christ", how could your niece locate it when scholars cannot? The best estimates are 4-7 BCE, but if indeed Jesus was an historical person, he was born before the dawn of the Common Era.
    I was not sure about the Civic Center being a government building.

    My niece was not trying to locate the actual date, just that the event took place.

    They don't have the actual date on record, but they do know he was born.
    Jesus was a historical person, and if he wasn't he sure made an impact and changed the course of history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    If the Civic Center is a government building then a religious event should not take place - state and religion can not mix? (at least that's what I thought)

    To each their own for their belief systems. Personally I am not a Satanic follower, I am a Christian.

    I do believe if there is good, there is evil.

    It's a sad day in America when my niece could not put the birth of Christ as a historical event on her study papers. Even though our calendar years are based on said event.
    Gah BBM: I am not really one for mixing Church with State, but a birth happened and Christ is a famed figure in history, so I dont see noting that on a calendar on her homework is not promoting Christianity!!!!!
    that would tick me off as well!!!!!!!
    Last edited by sloane7777; 09-15-2014 at 05:04 PM. Reason: ha! spelling

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    Well I think if folks are going to gather to call out negative energy, other folks should gather to call out positive energy.

    And may more positive energy be released than negative.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacie Estes View Post
    It's Oklahoma, my home state. I would expect nothing less. I guess they are just covering their bases; they tried to ban Sharia Law and that didn't work, so now they can work on banning Satanism.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3770021.html
    Yup, succinctly sums up my 15 yrs in OK, lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Well I think if folks are going to gather to call out negative energy, other folks should gather to call out positive energy.

    And may more positive energy be released than negative.



    Salem


    What Salem said!

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    The whole thing gives me a chuckle. To think it's 2014 and this continues to be an issue......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    I was not sure about the Civic Center being a government building.

    My niece was not trying to locate the actual date, just that the event took place.

    They don't have the actual date on record, but they do know he was born.
    Jesus was a historical person, and if he wasn't he sure made an impact and changed the course of history.
    In fact, there is considerable reason to doubt that Jesus existed as an historical person. We have only one contemporary reference to Jesus (by the Jewish historian, Josephus) and that brief mention is probably an interpolation by a copyist years after the fact.

    The other accounts of Jesus--including the Gospels--ALL date from well after His alleged death. What is particularly odd is that those copious keepers of legal records, the Romans, felt a need to crucify a dangerous radical and yet never mentioned Him in any of their accounts.

    To be fair, nobody can prove Jesus was NOT an actual historical person; it's virtually impossible to prove a negative. But the historical evidence for Jesus is very slight.

    The stories of the Gospels have been repeated so often in Western culture, we all just sort of "feel" like they must represent some sort of historical account. Yet it's at least equally possible that writers in the late first century were creating a mythology to teach their worldview. (There are even some interesting works showing how almost everything about the Jesus story--including the Resurrection--is taken directly from Egyptian mythology.)

    To me, the wisdom of Jesus' message is self-evident and more important than the historical record and whether the accounts are historically accurate.

    (ETA you'll get no argument from me on the historical impact of the Jesus story, be it historical or allegorical.)

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    Hey Nova

    No argument needed - Live and let live - we all have our own belief system.

    My niece is in the fifth grade - she needed to list 15 historical items/events that changed the earth/world.
    Could be natural, a discovery, a person, an event, an invention - she happened to think of Jesus.
    It was a no go with her teacher, it did not count towards her assignment.
    I thought that was sad.

    I like what Salem suggests - may more positive energy be released than negative

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Much more here in Tulsa World: http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/...77ce54478.html

    Um....so what ya'll think about this?
    As a Catholic, I think the Church could spend its time on something more productive. People like that are desperate for attention. The best thing that could happen is if they were totally and completely ignored.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    If the Civic Center is a government building then a religious event should not take place - state and religion can not mix? (at least that's what I thought)

    To each their own for their belief systems. Personally I am not a Satanic follower, I am a Christian.

    I do believe if there is good, there is evil.

    It's a sad day in America when my niece could not put the birth of Christ as a historical event on her study papers. Even though our calendar years are based on said event.
    If we knew the actual date that might be true, but we don't. Our calendar years are not based on his birth because we don't even know what month he was actually born in or year, except it wasn't in winter. December 25 was picked as that was the last day of the Roman pagan holiday of Saturnalia.

    Education is important. Maybe it is because I'm an attorney but I feel that accuracy in education and in facts is super important.

    And since the actual date is unknown and there is no consensus historically as to the actual, physical existence of Christ, I understand why, in a public school, a teacher might not allow that answer. And I say this as a Christian myself. Belief and fact can be two different things.
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