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    Guy who stopped it:

    Vaughan was at work at the food company when he was alerted that a man was attacking employees. Whetsel said Vaughan, who had been with the Oklahoma County Sheriff’s Office since June 2010, “quickly responded.” Whetsel said Vaughan is assigned to the patrol division, is a member of the FAST team (Fast Action Support Team) and is a highly trained member of the tactical team.

    Reserve Deputies must attend a basic law enforcement academy and annual training sessions, as well as work a minimum of 16 hours a month in the program, according the Oklahoma County Sheriff’s department.

    http://newsok.com/man-beheads-cowork...rticle/5345835



    Other tid bits

    “They have this ISIS thing on their minds and now this guy has brought it to America,” Saad Mohammad, a spokesman for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City,........
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    911 Call

    anscript of 911 calls, according to KFOR-TV: 911 Caller: “Shut the door, shut the door!”
    Dispatcher: “Moore 911, where is your emergency?”
    911 Caller: “Vaughan Foods, Moore, Oklahoma, 216 N.E. 12th St. We have..”

    Kyle Phillips/AP
    Dispatcher: “What’s going on there?”
    911 Caller: “We have someone attacking someone in the building. I was just informed. I’m in the..”
    Dispatcher: “Okay, where are they at?”
    911 Caller: “Inside, are they in the office? They’re in the office, front office of the building. Yeah, we can hear a lot of screaming. We’re actually in a different office but someone just came in here yelling.”
    Dispatcher: “315. Okay, do you know where they’re at in the building?”
    911 Caller: “In the front of the building, there’s our main entrance.”
    Dispatcher: “Okay, do you know where he is at in the plant?”
    911 Caller: “We know that he’s loose. He has stabbed someone.”
    Dispatcher: “Yeah, we’ve got medical en route for them.

    911 Caller: “Okay.”
    Dispatcher: “Is anybody with him or do you know?”
    911 Caller: “Hold on, my (garbled.)
    Dispatcher: “Respond on lacerations. Vaughan Foods, 216, go ahead sir, N.E. 12th.”
    911 Caller: “I’m going to put you on speakerphone for one second, okay?”
    Dispatcher: “Standby on a map. Page 1608, time out.”
    911 Caller: “Okay, so we don’t know where the person went and he went through our front office, went through the shipping office and stabbed a woman
    hrough our front office, went through the shipping office and stabbed a woman in our customer service department.” Dispatcher: “Okay, did he know her? Do you know, is that who he was arguing with? Is she an employee?”
    911 Caller: “She is an employee, yeah.”

    Dispatcher: “Okay, thank you.”
    911 Caller: “Lock that door.”
    Dispatcher: “Yeah, go ahead lock everybody in there if you can.”
    911 Caller: “Yeah, we’re trying. Okay, can you hear this in the background?”
    (yelling)
    Dispatcher: “Is that him? He’s back?”

    911 Caller: “Yeah, it sounds like he’s running around out here.”
    (loud bangs)
    911 Caller: “And that, that’s a gun shot.”
    ispatcher: “Got a gun shot. Units responding to Vaughan Foods, be advised we do now have gunshots. Okay, do you know where he’s at now?”
    911 Caller: “He’s in the hallway, outside of the center of the building.”
    Dispatcher: “Maybe in the hallway in the center of the building. And how many more shots have you heard?”
    911 Caller: “We’ve heard three.”
    Dispatcher: “Three shots?”
    911 Caller: “Now I’m hearing somebody yelling in the hallway, stay down.”
    Dispatcher: “There’s another subject yelling in the hallway. Units be advised that there’s another subject yelling in the hallway. Still same amount of injuries.”
    911 Caller: “Stay down, stay down.”



    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1953778

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    Vaugn Foods

    its present-day operations at 12 plants with over 2800 employees. In 2011, the company purchased Oklahoma-based competitor Vaughan Foods for $18.3 million,[3] and the assets of Orval Kent for $69.2 million.[4] As of 2014, the company had almost 4,800 employees and was operating 16 facilities, in the United States and Mexico.[1] In July 2014, it announced plans to build a 310,000-square-foot (29,000 m2) facility in Hillsboro, Oregon, but indicated that its headquarters would remain at the current site in Beaverton.[1]

    The plant where it happened today:

    It employs 540 workers, mostly in its Moore, Okla., and Fort Worth,

    s part of the deal, Vaughan chief executive Herbert Grimes will receive $810,000 plus interest for a loan he held, according to a regulatory document filed by Vaughan.
    Reser's had originally asked Vaughan's top three executives, including Grimes, to resign after the merger, but ultimately waived that decision, the same filing shows.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...pletes_aq.html






    http://www.vaughanfoods.com/safety/index

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    BBM

    Well, gosh -- guess we better blame Christians too then, while we're at it.

    http://newsok.com/man-beheads-cowork...rticle/5345835
    He converted to Islam after being raised Christian. His FB shows where hsi mind was at at the time of the killing. I don't think religion caused this. Ideology combined with a certain personality type and/or mental issues likely did. But it is 100% a fact that ISIS is commanding believers to behead westerners in the name of Islam. And some people are going to listen.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    BBM

    Well, gosh -- guess we better blame Christians too then, while we're at it.

    http://newsok.com/man-beheads-cowork...rticle/5345835
    Gee, he sounds like a walking "Coexist" sticker. Wonder what went wrong?
    "Be the kind of woman, that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the Devil says "Oh crap. She's up."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    How? Should we round up all Muslims and put them into camps? I mean, how can we really stop things like this?

    Before I heard the word "Islam" connected to this case, I knew, when I heard the word "beheaded" that it was somehow probably connected to ISIS' command that devout Muslims begin beheading Westerners. His job loss and probably a bit of crazy made that command seem important to this savage, I guess.

    But how do we protect ourselves without becoming Nazis? Or hysterical?

    I mean, I know several Muslims. Totally normal people. There are millions of Muslims who are disgusted and horrified by ISIS, who don't want to live in a Sharia state. Many live here. Millions around the world that live pretty secularly and find extremism abhorrent.

    On the other hand, looking at what's happened to Holland (my mom';s country), and Germany, London, Spain (my dad's country) - it's very scary. North African and Middle Eastern peoples are the immigrants of western Europe. They go there and are welcomed there to do the jobs people in those countries won't. And usually they assimilate to a large degree (especially the females). But the very thing that causes terrorist ideology to take root - a sense of alienation, not belonging, uncertainty - that occurs more readily in immigrants or the children of immigrants to a foreign country to a large degree, typically the males. And that has led to some frightening things (the murder of Van Gogh, the beheading of soldeir Lee Rigby, stabbings of topless girls on the beach, bands of ****s roaming East London and a city in Germany as "sharia police" attempting to impose sharia law on citizens there.

    Granted, there is a bigger threat in Europe due to the size of the countries and the fact that so many of their immigrants are Muslim, from poor countries. Here, we are so big and much more cautious, I think. But then this happened and Ft. Hood. And the Boston bombing.

    So does all immigration of Muslims stop? Do people who have born of immigrants get shipped out? Do converts, some of whom are already alienated or mentally ill persons, get imprisoned? What are viable measures to take that do not violate the Geneva convention or our own constitution? And what is reasonable?
    I think we have to be honest, Islam does not wish to co-exist with other political or religious systems, they want to convert or take over. It is impossible for a Constitutional Republic to work in tandem with Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie09 View Post
    I think we have to be honest, Islam does not wish to co-exist with other political or religious systems, they want to convert or take over. It is impossible for a Constitutional Republic to work in tandem with Islam.
    To be honest, as someone who is not religious, Christianity seems to be the exact same way.

    I don't think the issue is religion. I think the issue is mentally unstable or derelict persons being swept up by charismatic, but twisted, leaders presenting very twisted views of good religions. It has happened before, it will happen again. The only thing that changes is the name they give God. Presenting hen pecked theology is not about religion. It's about power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlamingoLady View Post
    Gee, he sounds like a walking "Coexist" sticker. Wonder what went wrong?
    I'm guessing he's never found the peace he was so desperately seeking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie09 View Post
    I think we have to be honest, Islam does not wish to co-exist with other political or religious systems, they want to convert or take over. It is impossible for a Constitutional Republic to work in tandem with Islam.
    Islam is just not the problem. It's a culture problem. The religion is no more violent than Judiasm or Old Testament Christianity. I know plenty of Muslims who are totally normal, moderate people. I went to a mosque for a funeral and a couple times for other things related to college. Sermons were very similar to what we hear in church.

    This is is a complex issue. We are dealing with tribal cultures that in some places has not advanced in the last 2000 years like western culture has. We are also dealing with a significant change in economic gender roles and the economy, plus destabilization and wars which leads to a social and gender identity crisis as well as a loss of a feeling of purpose, extreme loss of the ability to provide, to be men, to have jobs, to be treated as humans. That results in revolution sometimes- either the Arab spring type youth movement that focus on autonomy, the economy and rights or to a regression to extreme fundamentalism based on a romanticism of the past Islamic empire. So they try to recreate that.

    Imagine prople who who feel lost and unsure who find hope in the fantasy of a world with specific roles and rules that everyone abides by, no ambiguity, no confusion. It is the same with alienated white Christian terrorists who joined the Christian Identity Movement like Timothy mcveigh. The difference is our society is more stable and evolved so we have less home-grown Christian terrorists. If things were different though...

    None of that changes the fact that we are facing a clear and present danger due to ideology. We have a problem. And it is significant.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oblio View Post
    To be honest, as someone who is not religious, Christianity seems to be the exact same way.

    I don't think the issue is religion. I think the issue is mentally unstable or derelict persons being swept up by charismatic, but twisted, leaders presenting very twisted views of good religions. It has happened before, it will happen again. The only thing that changes is the name they give God. Presenting hen pecked theology is not about religion. It's about power.
    Its even more compex than that though. There are "normal" people leaving their comfortable western lives to go live with the savage ISIS terrorists. And many have no mental issues.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    Its even more compex than that though. There are "normal" people leaving their comfortable western lives to go live with the savage ISIS terrorists. And many have no mental issues.
    I'd venture to guess they are leaving their seemingly normal western lives. And while some may not have mental issues, I'm guessing there is something factoring that makes them impressionable. Maybe trying to belong, or be a part of something.

    The "religious" leaders are charismatic. I'm sure there is "grooming", much like like a child sex offender obtains a victim. Really no different than any other sort of cult.

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    People need to chill out. Stop beheading. The world is turning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    And pity poor Moore -- last time it made national news was 2013, when an EF5 tornado hit and killed 24.
    Local news is reporting the victim (Colleen Hufford) and her family lost her home in that May 2013 tornado. I really feel so sad for the Hufford family.
    http://m.news9.com/Story.aspx?story=...8&catId=112032

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oblio View Post
    To be honest, as someone who is not religious, Christianity seems to be the exact same way.

    I don't think the issue is religion. I think the issue is mentally unstable or derelict persons being swept up by charismatic, but twisted, leaders presenting very twisted views of good religions. It has happened before, it will happen again. The only thing that changes is the name they give God. Presenting hen pecked theology is not about religion. It's about power.
    So every terrorist is mentally unstable?

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