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    Ebola outbreak - general thread #5

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    Looks like the breach in protocol was one of three possibilities. Dialysis and intubation are two.

    He added that the health care worker, whose identity has not been made public, may have improperly taken off their protective gear or contracted the disease while using dialysis and intubation to treat the original patient, Thomas Eric Duncan.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5972776

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I206820141013
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    CHICAGO Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:04am EDT
    CDC head criticized for blaming 'protocol breach' as nurse gets Ebola
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    A poster said kidney failure can not be reversed in ebola patients. Please cite your source. I myself and others I know have successfully reversed and even back up to a normal GFR. What is different in an ebola patient?

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    Virologists, Ian Jones of University of Reading and others discuss why concern virus could mutate to go airborne are way overblown. http://www.vox.com/2014/9/19/6543157...to-go-airborne

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    Quote Originally Posted by okiedokietoo View Post
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I206820141013
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    CDC head criticized for blaming 'protocol breach' as nurse gets Ebola
    I think this is the very important point. Patients become highly infectious when they are near death. Just regular PPE is most likely not enough at that time.

    "At that point, caregivers need to add more layers of protective gear, such as double gloves and a respirator or a full bodysuit. Those kinds of decisions need to be made by managers who are constantly assessing the risk to healthcare workers, Kaufman said."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I206820141013
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    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...nd-procedures/

    The Cleaning Guys who cleaned Dallas apartment used 3 layers of gloves so they could remove clothes by layers and other discussion.
    Not sure if this was already posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okiedokietoo View Post
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I206820141013
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    CDC head criticized for blaming 'protocol breach' as nurse gets Ebola
    I found his statement to be incredibly arrogant. Because a nurse was infected, protocol was breached. ????? How about, we may not know all the ways this virus is transmitted? How about a little humility in the face of the reality that we DON'T know why this old virus has suddenly become so virulent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipmunk View Post
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...nd-procedures/

    The Cleaning Guys who cleaned Dallas apartment used 3 layers of gloves so they could remove clothes by layers and other discussion.
    Not sure if this was already posted.
    Interestingly, I talked to a guy today who works with toxic chemicals, which is not exactly the same thing as living biological hazards, but the protocols for disrobing from hazmat outfits is the same whether you're going to be poisoned/burned by a chemical or infected with a virus. He was a little surprised at the procedure he's seen in this ebola case. ON THE OTHER HAND, the CDC and other health organizations keep saying it's fluid to fluid which is very hard to pass. This virus, according to the media and health organizations, ISN'T like a chemical that can live forever on your hazmat suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    I think this is the very important point. Patients become highly infectious when they are near death. Just regular PPE is most likely not enough at that time.

    "At that point, caregivers need to add more layers of protective gear, such as double gloves and a respirator or a full bodysuit. Those kinds of decisions need to be made by managers who are constantly assessing the risk to healthcare workers, Kaufman said."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I206820141013
    I'm interested in the infection time frame. With some viruses (chicken pox being one of them) you're contagious before any symptoms appear. I think a lot of viruses are like that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I found his statement to be incredibly arrogant. Because a nurse was infected, protocol was breached. ????? How about, we may not know all the ways this virus is transmitted? How about a little humility in the face of the reality that we DON'T know why this old virus has suddenly become so virulent.
    The virus was always virulent. The reason previous outbreaks were small is because they were in remote rural areas, so they burned themselves out quickly and that was that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I found his statement to be incredibly arrogant. Because a nurse was infected, protocol was breached. ????? How about, we may not know all the ways this virus is transmitted? How about a little humility in the face of the reality that we DON'T know why this old virus has suddenly become so virulent.

    As others have said there is human error, it is real. Still, we need to determine what protocol does work if CDC guidelines aren't sufficient. There are many medical personnel who care for these patients without getting infected. So what are they doing right? Adding layers plus higher level, more protective gear would seem to be the answer.
    Then do follow any improved protocols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I'm interested in the infection time frame. With some viruses (chicken pox being one of them) you're contagious before any symptoms appear. I think a lot of viruses are like that.
    Ebola is supposedly not infectious until symptoms appear.
    Since so far none of the Duncan's original contacts become ill, it would appear to be accurate.
    Patient becomes highly infectious before death (and after) which could explain why nurse wearing PPE got sick, but people who were around Duncan didn't (at least so far).
    Just my opinion

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    Texas Christian University communications director Lisa Albert released a statement Sunday evening, confirming the Ebola patient graduated from TCU in 2010 with a bachelor's degree in nursing.
    Texas Health Presbyterian Dallas said a close contact of the health care worker has already proactively been put into isolation at the hospital.
    http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-...owTwt_DFWBrand
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipmunk View Post
    As others have said there is human error, it is real. Still, we need to determine what protocol does work if CDC guidelines aren't sufficient. There are many medical personnel who care for these patients without getting infected. So what are they doing right? Adding layers plus higher level, more protective gear would seem to be the answer.
    Then do follow any improved protocols.
    How do they know it was human error? It's just speculation that nurse breached the protocol. She doesn't say she breached protocol. Yet they are assuming it anyway.
    Just my opinion

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