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    Reasons why I believe a Ramsey killed Jonbenet

    The note said:

    "Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter."

    But Patsy IMMEDIATELY dials 911...

    "Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as police or F.B.I. will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies."

    They are warned over and over but end up doing EXACTLY the opposite of everything the note stated they MUST do. They obviously wanted her dead? Besides, can you name an real abduction where the ransom AND the ransom note were left behind? I guess the intruder kidnapped her but forgot to take her with them? Or did they rape and kill her in the house with the entire family home and nobody heard anything?

    Do you really think they're innocent? I hate them both, they deserve to go to jail and die! I would flip the execution switch for them! I saw some pics of her dead and she suffered badly..You can see the pics at www.crimeshots.com/CrimeScene1.html

    The Reasons I Believe A Ramsey Murdered JonBenét:

    1. The Ransom Note

    2. Practice Note on Patsy's legal pad

    3. Their sudden decision to leave JonBenet's body in Colorado and immediately fly to Atlanta twenty minutes after her body was discovered.

    4. Hired attorneys immediately, for EVERY member of the Ramsey family, including his ex-wife in Atlanta. WHY?!?!?!?

    5. John goes missing for approximately 45 minutes around 11 AM and when he returns to join the others he begins drinking one drink after another.

    6. John and Patsy received little, if any communication or comfort from the other, before JonBenet's body had even been "found." Why were they so angry with each other??? It seems to me like I would be hugging my husband if our child were to vanish.

    7. Why did Patsy still have on the same clothing from the night before, when witnesses say Patsy NEVER wore the same thing two days in a row.

    8. This is important - JonBenet's autopsy report stated there were chronic injuries to her vagina which Dr. Wecht stated that they appeared to have been inflicted about 72 hours earlier. Who ever did that is very likely the one who murdered her. An intruder theory would not fit with this likelihood existing, unless he broke in 3 days earlier, also.

    9. Refused to be interviewed by Boulder police, unless it could be under their own terms.

    10. Would not discuss events concerning the 24 hours before and the 24 hours after her murder.

    11. Jonbenet was found in their home. That's really stupid, they could have at-least dropped her body else-where!!

    12. Patsy said she "think" 2 people did it. How could she say that if she wasn't there and didn't hear/see anything?

    13. She was found in the basement and only a person who is really familiar with the home would be able to find the basement. A maid who used to clean their house said she didn't even know about the basement.

    14. John "checked" the basement while the police were there. I guess he didn't think to look there while they were "searching" for her before.

    15. John looks like a sexual freak who would do something like that.

    You have to agree!! If you still think they're innocent you're just an ignorant, baby killer and child molester yourself!!

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    You have to agree!! If you still think they're innocent you're just an ignorant, baby killer and child molester yourself!!


    Well, I'd say that's a little extreme....
    Jaybird

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    That was quite a post...

    It's true minorities get little or no air time when they are missing, kidnapped, and murdered...especially African-Americans.

    Rich, white, pretty girls get national attention. Think JonBenet, Polly Klaas, Danielle Van Damm, and Elizabeth Smart.

    I do believe that Patsy Ramsey accidently killed JonBenet. The reason she covered it up is age-old....self preservation.

    My belief is that she watched part of the O.J. Simpson trial and used that to stage the kidnap. She knew that throwing her body on JonBenet would contaminate the crime scene. She threw everything into this kidnapping scenario...

    One can only imagine what she had to do before 5:30am to stage this "crime".

    Only Patsy knows and hopefully one day she would confess.

    This is my opinion
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98

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    […]

    The Reasons I Believe A Ramsey Murdered JonBenét:

    1. The Ransom Note
    What about the ransom note? Patsy is on the low end of the scale of likely writers

    2. Practice Note on Patsy's legal pad
    "Patsy’s legal pad" was simply one of several pads out and around for list making etc.

    3. Their sudden decision to leave JonBenet's body in Colorado and immediately fly to Atlanta twenty minutes after her body was discovered.
    A curiosity which even John can’t answer. Perhaps he was flashing back to when Beth died. Perhaps he just wanted to get his family home to Atlanta and the idea of murder hadn’t yet sunk in. It sometimes takes people a while at actually believe they’ve been a victim of violent crime. If they were guilty it certainly wouldn't get him off the hook. Not even Kane was convinced John was guilty.

    4. Hired attorneys immediately, for EVERY member of the Ramsey family, including his ex-wife in Atlanta. WHY?!?!?!?
    Actually it was Bynum who suggested they needed legal counsel after he saw the way things were going at BPD. John told him to do what was needed

    5. John goes missing for approximately 45 minutes around 11 AM and when he returns to join the others he begins drinking one drink after another.
    I’ve never heard this before. Do you have a source?

    6. John and Patsy received little, if any communication or comfort from the other, before JonBenet's body had even been "found." Why were they so angry with each other??? It seems to me like I would be hugging my husband if our child were to vanish.
    Not true, The 2 GALs (Jedamus and Morlock) told BPD the Ramseys did spend time comforting and holding each other. Check Schiller

    7. Why did Patsy still have on the same clothing from the night before, when witnesses say Patsy NEVER wore the same thing two days in a row.
    I’ve never heard she never wore things two days in a row before. I've heard she sometimes dressed like a slob when she thought no one would see her. Can't remember what transcript I read that on. Do you have a source? The outfit was comfortable, had only been worn a few hours why not wear it and not have to bother with coming up with a new outfit. Several of us here have said we do the same thing on occasion.


    8. This is important - JonBenet's autopsy report stated there were chronic injuries to her vagina which Dr. Wecht stated that they appeared to have been inflicted about 72 hours earlier. Who ever did that is very likely the one who murdered her. An intruder theory would not fit with this likelihood existing, unless he broke in 3 days earlier, also.
    Not all experts agree with this.

    9. Refused to be interviewed by Boulder police, unless it could be under their own terms.
    Not unusual to negotiate terms in an adversarial situation. Patsy was very sick and among other things they were trying to do what her doctor was advising. The FBI says BPD was also responsible for the delay

    10. Would not discuss events concerning the 24 hours before and the 24 hours after her murder.
    I’ve never heard this before. Do you have a source?

    11. Jonbenet was found in their home. That's really stupid, they could have at-least dropped her body else-where!!
    Exactly! They could have driven out, disposed of the body, come home, and claimed they were driving around looking for her..

    12. Patsy said she "think" 2 people did it. How could she say that if she wasn't there and didn't hear/see anything?
    Probably because the note mentions more than one person.

    13. She was found in the basement and only a person who is really familiar with the home would be able to find the basement. A maid who used to clean their house said she didn't even know about the basement.
    That maid, her husband, daughter, and son-in-law were in that room the previous month getting out Christmas trees. Fleet White was in that room during a recent Christmas party, and painters used that room to store paint in. It wasn’t exactly a secret location.

    14. John "checked" the basement while the police were there. I guess he didn't think to look there while they were "searching" for her before.
    You will have to read the discussions here about John checking the basement.

    15. John looks like a sexual freak who would do something like that.
    A good reason to execute someone...

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  5. #5
    Keona, I read your post and started to fall back into that rut (well it's obvious isn't it?). But then I read Tipper's saner statements. I guess that's why we have courts. I am not settled on RDI or intruder for various reasons. Oxam's razor tells me that unfortunately it might have been an accident, but I still find it difficult to believe that a parent could write such a note after such a horrific event.

    I leave my mind open to an intruder and also a hybrid theory of BlueCrab's.

    The insistent flat out RDI and they should pay with no legal protection is certainly consistent with your baby killer comment. Pure Borg.

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    Wellllllll

    Black children can be most beautiful. I would suggest if you are familiar with a case that involves a black child that you ask the moderator to start a forum for you.

    I have followed this case closely since it happened close to where I live. I was married nearly 50 years ago at the Catholic Church down the alley from the Ramsey home. I love all children, winsome ones particularly, which does not necessarily mean they are beautiful in looks, but in spirit.

    All children should be totally loved by their parents, some are some are not.

    I agree, the separateness of PR and John when John came trudging up the stairs with their baby, she did not rise from her chair with wonderment, or run to her baby. Is that odd, I personally think so, which does not make it so, but to me it was odd.

    Patsy said on CNN about the two party deal, that the killer must have, or words to that effect told someone else about the murder. Confided (confided was the word she used on CNN) if you will in another person, not a part of the killing itself.

    Those of us who have been here working on this case for 8.6 years, have covered the items in your post til our fingers are sore.

    Nothing much new, except that WE/I would like to know IF IF anyone saw PR out during the day, shopping or doing last minute errands without her two children, and while John was at the airport checking their personal plane. IF IF ANYONE saw Patsy out and about ON Christmas Day, during the time frame when John was also gone from the home. Then the children most likely were left with a babysitter, who just might be the most acceptable suspect this case has ever seen.

    Add to that that Mr. B saw a youthful male approach the home on Christmas. IF Mr. B had been nosy he might have hung about until he saw 'the unknown person' go into the home, and also know WHO opened the door for him. Hmmm.




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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by tipper

    3. Their sudden decision to leave JonBenet's body in Colorado and immediately fly to Atlanta twenty minutes after her body was discovered.
    A curiosity which even John can’t answer. Perhaps he was flashing back to when Beth died. Perhaps he just wanted to get his family home to Atlanta and the idea of murder hadn’t yet sunk in. It sometimes takes people a while at actually believe they’ve been a victim of violent crime. If they were guilty it certainly wouldn't get him off the hook. Not even Kane was convinced John was guilty.
    John said that he needed to take the family to Atlanta because he had "something really important to attend to."

    What?

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