1477 users online (241 members and 1236 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 30
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    El Segundo, California
    Posts
    7,856

    MI - Detroit, WhtFem UP11897, 19-29, 'Pat' from CA, died in fire, Nov'89

    Starting a new thread per user request:

    Warning: Postmortem Photos at Link
    NamUs UP 11897 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11897

    No Image Available

    Unidentified White Female

    89_8734Postmortem.jpg

    The victim was discovered on November 02, 1989 in Upper Detroit (Wayne County) Michigan
    Body Condition: Recognizable face
    Estimated Postmortem Interval: Minutes

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 19-29 Years
    Approximate Height: 5'6" (66 inches).
    Approximate Weight: 120 pounds.
    Hair: Dark brown or black, long

    Clothing & Accessories

    Clothing: Blue Jeans, Bra, Long Black Coat

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered
    Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and entered
    DNA: Not Available

    Case History
    The body of a unknown woman was found after an accidental fire. The homeowner had met the woman the day prior and he let the woman spend the night. She told him her name was "Pat", that she was 26 years old and that she had two kids in California.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    268
    Thanks Carl, I thought there was alot of information on this Jane Doe that we could work with when I came across her profile last night. I thought that Juliana Mae Schubert looked like a good possibility and was wondering what everyone else thought? I do understand that her husband has been charged with first degree murder in 2001 relating to her disappearance but thought she was worth mentioning.

    Charley Project Link - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...t_juliana.html

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    268

    Possible Match - Olga Beatriz Mullenhour

    What does everyone think of Olga as a possible match for this Jane Doe? Few details are available about her case but I thought there were facial similarities.

    Height and weight are good, so too is hair colour, eye colour and age. Olga was from California and JD mentioned that she had two children from California

    Doe Link - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2326dfca.html

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    152
    Quote Originally Posted by pearly View Post
    What does everyone think of Olga as a possible match for this Jane Doe? Few details are available about her case but I thought there were facial similarities.

    Height and weight are good, so too is hair colour, eye colour and age. Olga was from California and JD mentioned that she had two children from California

    Doe Link - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2326dfca.html
    If DN has Olga's year of birth correct (1956), she would have been 31 when she disappeared in 1987, and 33 when this UID died in 1989. That is slightly out of the age range.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    268
    Quote Originally Posted by wintermute View Post
    If DN has Olga's year of birth correct (1956), she would have been 31 when she disappeared in 1987, and 33 when this UID died in 1989. That is slightly out of the age range.
    Even though this would put her slightly out of the age range would that be enough to completely discount her based on everything else matching? What do you think of the facial similarities?

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    506

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    El Segundo, California
    Posts
    7,856
    I wish there was a photo of Susan Zaharias.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14783/7

    Her name isn't Pat, but She fits the Jane Doe's circumstances of having been from California and being LKA in Detroit, and having two children.

    Her height fits perfectly, and her eye color is right.

    The only discrepancy I can see is hair color.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    324

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New England
    Posts
    18,098
    I found several photos of Susan on the Charley Project entry for the kids (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ristopher.html and http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rias_lisa.html)

    She looks quite similar but I think the chin is wrong.

    Her hair looks quite dark in some photos. If she was on the run, she almost certainly dyed it.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    324
    I do think she could be a match. If that is the case, I wonder if her children are alive and well, or if we could match them up with some UIDs.


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    El Segundo, California
    Posts
    7,856
    The facial similarities between Susan Zaharias and this Jane Doe are close enough that I cannot rule them out on a facial comparison.

    I went ahead and submitted this possible match to Lori Bruski and Carrie Southerland.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Corona, California
    Posts
    243
    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Starting a new thread per user request:

    Warning: Postmortem Photos at Link
    NamUs UP 11897 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11897

    No Image Available

    Unidentified White Female

    89_8734Postmortem.jpg

    The victim was discovered on November 02, 1989 in Upper Detroit (Wayne County) Michigan
    Body Condition: Recognizable face
    Estimated Postmortem Interval: Minutes

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 19-29 Years
    Approximate Height: 5'6" (66 inches).
    Approximate Weight: 120 pounds.
    Hair: Dark brown or black, long

    Clothing & Accessories

    Clothing: Blue Jeans, Bra, Long Black Coat

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered
    Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and entered
    DNA: Not Available

    Case History
    The body of a unknown woman was found after an accidental fire. The homeowner had met the woman the day prior and he let the woman spend the night. She told him her name was "Pat", that she was 26 years old and that she had two kids in California.
    Could this be Aundria Bowman of Holland Michigan. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_aundria.html http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...-11-March-1989
    Last edited by killer Chaser; 12-08-2014 at 05:14 AM.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    El Segundo, California
    Posts
    7,856
    Quote Originally Posted by killer Chaser View Post
    Could this be Aundria Bowman of Holland Michigan. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_aundria.html
    I am very much familiar with the Aundria Bowman case, as her natural mother is a good friend of mine.

    I am certain that this is not Aundria. She would have been only 15 at the time of this woman's death.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Corona, California
    Posts
    243
    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I am very much familiar with the Aundria Bowman case, as her natural mother is a good friend of mine.

    I am certain that this is not Aundria. She would have been only 15 at the time of this woman's death.
    The eyebrows and facial features look really close.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    El Segundo, California
    Posts
    7,856
    Quote Originally Posted by killer Chaser View Post
    The eyebrows and facial features look really close.
    I don't know if they ever verified whether the Jane Doe had given birth, but I do know that Aundria had not given birth as of March 11, 1989 (i.e., 8 months prior).

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 12-26-2016, 05:04 PM
  2. Former Detroit Archbishop has died
    By BetteDavisEyes in forum Up to the Minute
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-21-2014, 11:30 AM
  3. Man Who Died In Fire May Have Spontaneously Combusted
    By TrackerSam in forum Bizarre and Off-Beat News
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 09-11-2013, 05:12 PM
  4. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 05-10-2011, 09:36 AM

Tags for this Thread