MI MI - Detroit, WhtFem 19-29, UP11897, 'Pat', 26, two kids in CA, Nov'89

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NamUs UP 11897 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11897

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Unidentified White Female

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The victim was discovered on November 02, 1989 in Upper Detroit (Wayne County) Michigan
Body Condition: Recognizable face
Estimated Postmortem Interval: Minutes​

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 19-29 Years
Approximate Height: 5'6" (66 inches).
Approximate Weight: 120 pounds.
Hair: Dark brown or black, long​

Clothing & Accessories

Clothing: Blue Jeans, Bra, Long Black Coat​

Identifiers
Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered
Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and entered
DNA: Not Available​

Case History
The body of a unknown woman was found after an accidental fire. The homeowner had met the woman the day prior and he let the woman spend the night. She told him her name was "Pat", that she was 26 years old and that she had two kids in California.​
 
Thanks Carl, I thought there was alot of information on this Jane Doe that we could work with when I came across her profile last night. I thought that Juliana Mae Schubert looked like a good possibility and was wondering what everyone else thought? I do understand that her husband has been charged with first degree murder in 2001 relating to her disappearance but thought she was worth mentioning.

Charley Project Link - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/schubert_juliana.html
 
What does everyone think of Olga as a possible match for this Jane Doe? Few details are available about her case but I thought there were facial similarities.

Height and weight are good, so too is hair colour, eye colour and age. Olga was from California and JD mentioned that she had two children from California

Doe Link - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2326dfca.html
 
What does everyone think of Olga as a possible match for this Jane Doe? Few details are available about her case but I thought there were facial similarities.

Height and weight are good, so too is hair colour, eye colour and age. Olga was from California and JD mentioned that she had two children from California

Doe Link - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2326dfca.html

If DN has Olga's year of birth correct (1956), she would have been 31 when she disappeared in 1987, and 33 when this UID died in 1989. That is slightly out of the age range.
 
If DN has Olga's year of birth correct (1956), she would have been 31 when she disappeared in 1987, and 33 when this UID died in 1989. That is slightly out of the age range.

Even though this would put her slightly out of the age range would that be enough to completely discount her based on everything else matching? What do you think of the facial similarities?
 
I wish there was a photo of Susan Zaharias.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14783/7

Her name isn't Pat, but She fits the Jane Doe's circumstances of having been from California and being LKA in Detroit, and having two children.

Her height fits perfectly, and her eye color is right.

The only discrepancy I can see is hair color.
 

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The facial similarities between Susan Zaharias and this Jane Doe are close enough that I cannot rule them out on a facial comparison.

I went ahead and submitted this possible match to Lori Bruski and Carrie Southerland.
 
Starting a new thread per user request:

Warning: Postmortem Photos at Link
NamUs UP 11897 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11897

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Unidentified White Female

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The victim was discovered on November 02, 1989 in Upper Detroit (Wayne County) Michigan
Body Condition: Recognizable face
Estimated Postmortem Interval: Minutes​

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 19-29 Years
Approximate Height: 5'6" (66 inches).
Approximate Weight: 120 pounds.
Hair: Dark brown or black, long​

Clothing & Accessories

Clothing: Blue Jeans, Bra, Long Black Coat​

Identifiers
Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered
Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and entered
DNA: Not Available​

Case History
The body of a unknown woman was found after an accidental fire. The homeowner had met the woman the day prior and he let the woman spend the night. She told him her name was "Pat", that she was 26 years old and that she had two kids in California.​
Could this be Aundria Bowman of Holland Michigan. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bowman_aundria.html http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...dria-Michelle-Bowman-14-Holland-11-March-1989
 
I do think she could be a match. If that is the case, I wonder if her children are alive and well, or if we could match them up with some UIDs.

I didn't find anybody obvious in the Michigan-PA area in the immediate time frame.

It sounds likely that she left them with her relatives as she slid deeper into drug use, assuming the husband's accusations are true.
 
I wish there was a photo of Susan Zaharias.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14783/7

Her name isn't Pat, but She fits the Jane Doe's circumstances of having been from California and being LKA in Detroit, and having two children.














Her height fits perfectly, and her eye color is right.

The only discrepancy I can see is hair color.





Carl,

I invited you on FB to like the Help Find the Zaharias Children Page. (I can't link it on here, I am at work and FB is blocked) Susan has a sister that lives in the next town over from where I work and they think she could have been here in PA with the kids at some point.
 
I am very much familiar with the Aundria Bowman case, as her natural mother is a good friend of mine.

I am certain that this is not Aundria. She would have been only 15 at the time of this woman's death.

I'm in agreement with you. Not Alexis; she looks 26.

I don't know if they ever verified whether the Jane Doe had given birth, but I do know that Aundria had not given birth as of March 11, 1989 (i.e., 8 months prior).


Not too hard to verify; we both know Trooper Krebs, you know Lori Bruski. Maybe ask for an official rule out so people stop suggesting Alexis?
 
I am admin on Help Find the Zaharias Children page, the only discrepancy is the hair colour as I would have thought that the Medical Examiner would have picked up if her hair was dyed? I can't tell from the picture as to whether its Susan or not but it is definitely worth being put forward to NAMUS and LE as a possible match.
 

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