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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_1900 View Post
    Makes me sick and VERY angry

    The speed in which his manager and coach lay their hands on him - solely to get their OWN careers starting again asap, using OP as their 'vehicle'. It's disgusting. FGS - how can they ever pretend to care about him ???

    No matter how one may feel about OP, I think right now he has a myriade of other things to be concerned about. It's really weird for me to write this down - but I feel pity for him now.
    Oscar is already past his prime. Add 5 years and he's just another washed up athlete.

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    Sorry, I am unable to quote from the previous thread that is closed, but someone asked about Roux being English and Nel and Oldwage being Afrikaans as their first language. It is actually the following: Roux and Nel are Afrikaans, and Oldwage is English. Their surnames are indications, but I've also heard them whisper in Afrikaans during the trial. I can also tell from their respective accents.

    Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_1900 View Post
    Makes me sick and VERY angry

    The speed in which his manager and coach lay their hands on him - solely to get their OWN careers starting again asap, using OP as their 'vehicle'. It's disgusting. FGS - how can they ever pretend to care about him ???

    No matter how one may feel about OP, I think right now he has a myriade of other things to be concerned about. It's really weird for me to write this down - but I feel pity for him now.
    They're all as bad as each other, quite honestly :-/

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    The NPA, however, has indicated that it has an "appetite" to appeal. "We have always stated first and foremost that we were disappointed with the conviction," NPA spokesman Nathi Mncube told reporters.
    http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/...day-watch-live

    Officials described Pistorius as tense and nervous when he was fingerprinted upon his arrival. Prison commissioner Zebilon Monama told the South African Press Association that the jail’s chaplain and psychologist met with Pistorius, as he tried to adjust to his new surroundings. He underwent a medical examination before going into his cell.
    http://www.ibtimes.com/oscar-pistori...ntence-1710525

    Asked if she believed the athlete's account that he shot Steenkamp through a locked toilet door under the mistaken belief that she was an intruder, June Steenkamp expressed skepticism.
    "No -- there's more to the whole story than everybody knows, only Oscar knows," she said.
    There, he will have undergone a health risk assessment within six hours of arrival, Morwane said. Within 21 days, a comprehensive assessment of his needs will be done.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/world/...ica-pistorius/

    Oscar Pistorius was heard weeping inconsolably during his first night in prison.
    http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/...mself-to-sleep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estelle View Post
    http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.c...-oscar-4490542

    Do you think that the University of Strathclyde should strip OP of his Honorary Degree?

    Yes 30% No 70%

    Please vote at above link!
    Just voted then - must admit I'm surprised at the way the votes are falling. No offence but I thought you'd made a typo with the balance of 'Yes' vs 'No'. I thought it would be the opposite.

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    I was trying to dig out some insights into REAL LIFE in SA prisons. Strangely enough if you google 70% percent of results is related to . . guess who . . Oscar, quite annoying. So far there is also little to be found from NGOs or other independent sources.

    So here is a mix for the ones interested.

    An encouraging story of a SA prisoner who managed to transform and became a musician.
    http://www.dontparty.co.za/music/the...-of-larry-joe/
    http://www.mahala.co.za/music/songs-from-the-cell/

    Filmed in a Johannesburg prison 2012 with lots of prisoners statements. (though one guy has a strange view on "clapping women" only being a problem for ex-prisoners).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95WTDJMyts

    This one is REALLY AMAZING . . about YOGA classes in Pollsmoor 2013. If you believe in the possibility of transformation, you should have a look. It's touching to watch and listen to these guys.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9832KzWREBY
    This is the organization behind the project, very good work and good thoughts. Very inspiring.
    http://www.sevaunite.org/what-is-seva/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay-jay View Post
    They're all as bad as each other, quite honestly :-/
    Agree, I'm afraid you are right. And as Mr Happy pointed out . . already past his prime. It was just this money milking greediness that angered me. I can find lots and lots of better stuff for him to do in prison than pondering about his career as a runner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay-jay View Post
    So glad to hear you are continuing with this, Mr Fossil.
    Here's a sketch of what I'm thinking. It's not finished but I'd like to invite discussion sooner rather than later. If I've missed something vital that completely undermines it, I'd rather know now and divert my efforts! Equally, it still needs some refining so I'm hoping a bit of 'crowd sleuthing' will speed this up!

    Witness testimony analysis 2

    Some key points and assumptions it makes:

    1. The earlier sounds that the Stipps hear are Reeva slamming the toilet door three times as she struggles with OP to close and lock it (see below)
    2. The Stipps see the bathroom light is on at this point. This is damning to OP's version.
    3. The Johnson call time is wrong. Burger's phone is fast (see below). The police could prove this but perhaps didn't recognise the need to
    4. Burger and Johnson hear OP mimic Reeva's cries for help (mocking, sounded embarrassed). They don't hear his later shout for help because they have come inside and are talking
    5. The trigger for OP firing the gun is the loud click made by an iPhone 4 when you enter your Passcode (thanks to Nick van der Leek and Lisa Salinger for this) because she is going to call the police
    6. OP uses the bat after the gun, as he says
    7. Nobody hears the cricket bat striking the door (the Stipps have also come inside to await Security and are talking)
    8. Dr Stipp sees OP moving in the bathroom at a time OP says he is

    I'm out this evening so may not have time to discuss anything until either later (UK time) or tomorrow.

    The phone usage argument remains unchanged, although the precise logistics for the argument that EvdM hears on and off for an hour may change. The argument fits better if it is on the front side of OP's house (e.g. nearest EvdM) for her, and only her, to hear it. The fact that the security guards miss it is irrelevant as it's intermittent. She only hears Reeva because OP is keeping his voice down but Reeva isn't. She's confronting him. I'm wondering if the open door may relate to this period ... but would OP be downstairs on his stumps? The barging of the bedroom door follows when Reeva runs upstairs (with his phone?) and locks the bedroom door before running to the bathroom after he pushes it open.

    A couple of other points:

    Toilet door slamming

    I think OP was convincing when he argued that Reeva wouldn't have answered him when she was in the toilet because she was scared. He points Nel to a previous episode in her life. In his version, she wouldn't know what was happening outside the toilet and wouldn't have risked giving herself away. I think that is totally plausible (even though Nel doesn't). But what is not therefore plausible in this version is Reeva slamming the door after he has been screaming and shouting: she would have closed it quietly. It was this that put me on to thinking about door slams being what the Stipps heard. Does OP use real events: the door slamming, pulling on the handle, barging the door, but in a different context?

    Johnson call time

    Johnson provided the time in his statement from the phone itself and subsequently voiced his concerns to Roux about its accuracy by asking where the reference to times was taken from.

    Roux: We have the time
    Johnson: M’lady, can I ask the reference to the times, were they taken from my statement or were they taken from a central time server which I would assume the cell phone provider would have available?
    Roux: Mr Johnson, I’m curious about it, because you explain to us, and we know your cell phone data, we know that’s the central data, we know you put it in your statement. You know you would not lie to the policeman and say it was 3:16 and the duration 58 seconds. You said to us that you checked it. That’s why I’m saying to you, and we received ... let me help you, we received from the police the time calls were made by the accused. The exact time calls.
    Johnson: Thank you

    The exact times calls were made by the accused?! How does this help? Johnson has been duped by Roux into believing the time of his call has been verified but it was never corroborated against any other objective evidence (Strubenkop call log or the cell phone provider's records).
    Last edited by Mr Fossil; 10-23-2014 at 12:37 PM.
    "O, what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!" Sir Walter Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by lithgow1 View Post
    Just voted then - must admit I'm surprised at the way the votes are falling. No offence but I thought you'd made a typo with the balance of 'Yes' vs 'No'. I thought it would be the opposite.
    Oh, it's one of those polls where you can just keep on voting every time you visit the page .. my guess is that the Pistorians have been hard at work ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay-jay View Post
    Oh, it's one of those polls where you can just keep on voting every time you visit the page .. my guess is that the Pistorians have been hard at work ;-)
    Aha - thanks. I suspect you may be right re the Pistorians. Ah well, while they are all there voting 'No', 'No', 'No' they can't be causing mischief elsewhere and being stripped of an honorary degree is probably low on his list of things to worry about right now.


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    Robyn Curnow ?@RobynCurnowCNN Oct 21
    Prison official to CNN: #oscarpistorius is a 'B' group prisoner. Only allowed 2 no-contact visits during a weekend and 45 over the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux et Veritas View Post
    Robyn Curnow ?@RobynCurnowCNN Oct 21
    Prison official to CNN: #oscarpistorius is a 'B' group prisoner. Only allowed 2 no-contact visits during a weekend and 45 over the year.
    He surely doesn't want to waste those on Van Zyl does he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux et Veritas View Post
    Robyn Curnow ?@RobynCurnowCNN Oct 21
    Prison official to CNN: #oscarpistorius is a 'B' group prisoner. Only allowed 2 no-contact visits during a weekend and 45 over the year.
    His supporters are all freaking out about that at CP's twitter account. He'll just have to be good won't he so he gets bumped up to the group A category.

    https://twitter.com/carlpistorius/st...96671452938240

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxbluff View Post
    Oh, I'm so glad you were still onboard to see my questions. Thank you so much for your helpful response. I love the way you expanded your answers, teaching me other interesting things about SA.

    I'm pushed for time right now, but first thing tomorrow I'll try to backtrack to find the link where I believe I saw the puzzling word "presenter."

    Hope to see you here tomorrow.
    Welcome, always happy to help. I'll be around today

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay-jay View Post
    He surely doesn't want to waste those on Van Zyl does he?
    Even though he's not going to be subjected to it for nearly long enough IMO he is going to hate and resent all the rules and being ordered about. Getting told when to get up, eat, shower, go to sleep etc - the whole regimentation of prison life is going to be hard for him to adapt too, at least at first. He's used to being regimented, but on his terms not some warden's.

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