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    Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

    Please continue here when the trial resumes on Monday, Oct. 27, 2014.

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    Thank you, Salem.

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    Are we finally gonna be getting some insight into Magnottas 'mental issues' this week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jedi View Post

    Are we finally gonna be getting some insight into Magnottas 'mental issues' this week
    I think the prosecution should be finished this week so maybe?

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    Quoting Kamille from previous thread (SBM):
    Is there any indication that LM was using Skype? That seems like just his thing but I don't think his old laptop may have been equipped with a camera. I'll bet his new one did though, which may have opened up a whole new world for him. And he only got that one in February right?
    I did a "Skype directory" search for the email address he used to contact Romeo Salta. According to the search, there are THREE Skype accounts registered to this one email address:

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    It's worth noting that the search doesn't bring up results for similar email addresses, it will only look for the one you're searching.

    ETA: Just found out that it is possible to create a Skype account using someone else's email address. Not sure how or why you would do this, but also worth noting.
    I read about it here: http://community.skype.com/t5/Securi...s/td-p/1163362

    So the above names MAY simply be a case of someone who has entered the wrong email address when registering their account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jedi View Post

    Are we finally gonna be getting some insight into Magnottas 'mental issues' this week
    The defence case beings on Friday, according to the media.

    In the reported list of prosecution witnesses I noticed that there is no mental health expert appearing as a prosecution witness. I found this very strange, as from what I've read these kinds of cases usually boil down to a "battle of the experts". But I wondered if it would be possible for LM to refuse to allow a crown-appointed psychiatrist to examine him? He never requested a mental evaluation when in prison. But even so, it seems like the prosecution would be able to find at least one doctor who has seen LM in the past tko testify that he knew what he was doing, or even an expert witness who had not met LM to testify that the kind of involved planning and preparations he did before the murder is inconsistent with a schizophrenic who is NCR.

    I'm hoping that the media reports of the prosecution witnesses are wrong, and the prosecution WILL call an expert witness. Otherwise it seems to me that this will seriously weaken their case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayemonde View Post
    The defence case beings on Friday, according to the media.

    In the reported list of prosecution witnesses I noticed that there is no mental health expert appearing as a prosecution witness. I found this very strange, as from what I've read these kinds of cases usually boil down to a "battle of the experts". But I wondered if it would be possible for LM to refuse to allow a crown-appointed psychiatrist to examine him? He never requested a mental evaluation when in prison. But even so, it seems like the prosecution would be able to find at least one doctor who has seen LM in the past tko testify that he knew what he was doing, or even an expert witness who had not met LM to testify that the kind of involved planning and preparations he did before the murder is inconsistent with a schizophrenic who is NCR.

    I'm hoping that the media reports of the prosecution witnesses are wrong, and the prosecution WILL call an expert witness. Otherwise it seems to me that this will seriously weaken their case.
    I'm curious as to at what point the prosecution was aware of this defense of NCR? Did they have a chance to have an expert examine him, and do they have a legal right to?

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    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
    Judge has arrived. #Magnotta trial begins shortly.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 15m15 minutes ago
    Legal matters discussed. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 14m14 minutes ago
    Week 5 of the #Magnotta trial about to get started. ICYMI: Prosecution might finish calling his witnesses on Tues/Wed of this week.

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 5m5 minutes ago
    Legal matters aside. The jury will now be called in and get started. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Discussion is over, getting the jury. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Jury has arrived. #Magnotta trial Day 18 starts now. #CJAD

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    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    WItness number 35 is Sylvie Bordelais, lawyer. #Magnotta

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta trial resumes this morning with testimony from lawyer Sylvie Bordelais. She represented Karla Homolka. #cbcmtl

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Link with Renee Bordelais? My mother. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    Renée Bordelais is her mother - remember her name and address appeared on one of #Magnotta's packages

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Rennee Bordelais return name and address on package sent to Liberal Party fo Canada. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says doesn't recognize handwriting on package. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness says mom was in Caribbean in May 2012. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Do you have brother Thierry? Yes. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    WItness says mom has health problems. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
    Sylvie Bordelais has a brother named Thierry. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Crown done. Defence has no questions. Witness is done. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    Leclair has not questions for this witness. Next up is Gilbert Desjardins, ballistics expert #Magnotta


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    What? Leclair didn't want to drag this LAWYER witness into a game of where's Karla?

    So there is our answer as to which Bordelais relative Renee is. Karla's mother-in-law.

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    So, this was no random Bordelais. It was Karla's husband and lawyer's mother. This all but confirms that Magnotta was stalking Homolka, as far as I am concerned. He went through a lot of trouble to get her sister and mother-in-law's addresses. Perhaps he thought it was Karla's home? Did he see her enter? His long-standing obsession with that woman says a lot about him...


    @Kamille: I am surprised that neither the crown nor the defence brought her up. I bet that LAWYER was having NONE of that! It is unfortunate, though. I hope the jury remembers what LV said about her sister's husband, and makes that link. His Homolka/Trammel thing... he idolised KILLERS.



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    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 4m4 minutes ago
    Next witness up is Gilbert Desjardins. He is a ballistics expert. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
    Witness explaining his expertise about firearms and his training. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 2m2 minutes ago
    Desjardins was asked several questions from Prosecution about his expertise, education & # of times he's testified as an expert. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
    Desjardins is to weigh in about the marks on Lin Jun's bones and testify as to what made them #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 52s53 seconds ago
    Desjardins is an expert in what marks tools make #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    Leclair asking withness if he knows Kathy Reichs, forensic anthropologist and writer of crime novels #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
    Desjardins says he's worked on fewer than 10 cases involving marks on bones #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 39s40 seconds ago
    Leclair is done questioning Desjardins and now Prosecution would like to swear him in as an expert in toll marks. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 54s54 seconds ago
    Defence objects to witness's expertise on bones, says it's limited. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 41s42 seconds ago
    Leclair questioning Desjardins capacity as expert because he can't remember how many times he's testified in court #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 45s45 seconds ago
    "I find that his potential help to the jury is limited," Leclair says. Judge says he will allow him to testify as tool mark expert #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 55s56 seconds ago
    Judge will allow witness to be qualified as tool mark expert. Jury must weigh evidence/opinion if persuasive enough. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 38s39 seconds ago
    Witness asked to step into file Sept. 8, 2014. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 53s54 seconds ago
    Desjardins' report is now being filed into evidence #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Witness saw evidence between June 2012 and Sept. 2014. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Witness received bones from pathologist. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
    Witness received 6 tools from police. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 41s42 seconds ago
    Desjardins received bones and six tools. He washed bones to better see the marks #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 41s42 seconds ago
    Witness analysed bones by microscope for any marks made by tools. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 47s47 seconds ago
    Witness studied tools, along with marks on bones, to make a match. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 51s51 seconds ago
    Witness says many marks made by knife. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 46s47 seconds ago
    Can link tool with certain mark in general? Depending on marks on bones. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    In this case, didn't see specific mark corresponding to specific tool. Superficial marks. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 45s46 seconds ago
    Every tool has its own signature, he says. A steak knife, for example, will leave fine lines #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 31s31 seconds ago
    He found two types of marks on bones. one was very superficial as if by an exacto knife, or knife #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
    Witness says on spine, found big mark probably made by a saw-type tool. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 52s52 seconds ago
    But on vertebrae found a much larger cut, made with back and forth motion, as if made with electric saw, witness says #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 32s32 seconds ago
    Witness says he had a Mastercraft electric half moon blade saw during examination. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 48s48 seconds ago
    Witness says he has one at home to cut moldings, gyprock. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Possible such a saw could have made such marks? Possible, or another saw, manual saw. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    If you just put it against skin, it wouldn't cut cause skin would move, Desjardins says #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Witness says marks could have been made by knife, fine marks on bones. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    On tools, witness says screwdriver with star head, didn't notice marks matching this. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 58s59 seconds ago
    On two knives, witness says could have been ones that made marks on bones, but no definitive match. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 44s44 seconds ago
    Desjardins didn't find any marks on the bones corresponding with scissors or screw driver #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 47s47 seconds ago
    On saw, witness says marks on bones can't be linked. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
    On hammer, witness says only had photo of skull. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 20s20 seconds ago
    Prosecution is finished with his questions. Defence is up now. #Magnotta

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    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    On hammer:witness says wanted to see if corresponding marks on skull w/ hammer but w/ photo, hard to tell so couldn't go further. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    On saw: defence looking for it in box of evidence. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 1m1 minute ago
    Defence now pulling out the saw and showing it to the witness. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Witness says he had to adjust saw to make it work when he received it for examination. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Witness did have the spine in question. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Defence wants photos of spine. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 55s55 seconds ago
    Showing photos of spine to court. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Witness asked to show where marks were found. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
    We're now looking at photo of blackened bit of Lin Jun's spine. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Witness says he cleaned the skin off the bone to find the marks. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 46s47 seconds ago
    Desjardins pointing out marks on it that could have been made with saw #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 26s27 seconds ago
    Desjardins saying he can't see the marks on photos he's being shown, but says they are visible on photos he took himself #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
    Desjardins took 25 photos. Leclair asks for morning break #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 52s52 seconds ago
    Break.Defence wants to see witness's photos of examination. #Magnotta

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    Quote Originally Posted by BorgQueen View Post
    So, this was no random Bordelais. It was Karla's husband and lawyer's mother. This all but confirms that Magnotta was stalking Homolka, as far as I am concerned. He went through a lot of trouble to get her sister and mother-in-law's addresses. Perhaps he thought it was Karla's home? Did he see her enter? His long-standing obsession with that woman says a lot about him...


    @Kamille: I am surprised that neither the crown nor the defence brought her up. I bet that LAWYER was having NONE of that! It is unfortunate, though. I hope the jury remembers what LV said about her sister's husband, and makes that link. His Homolka/Trammel thing... he idolised KILLERS.
    Yes he sure was stalking KH by the sounds of it. And who in the Karla stalking world knew her mother-in-law's name and address?

    He did seem to be somewhat obsessed with those two female killers. One in real life and one in the movies. I wonder if he even made the distinction?

    MOO

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