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    Man, now I am REALLY let down! He asks all these bizarre questions to this fairly irrelevant witness, he even harassed Karla's sister, but Sylvie was completely off the hook.


    He asked the witness if he wanted Magnotta to urinate on him?! SERIOUSLY???!?!!! WHAT does that have to do with ANYTHING?!?!? I am starting to wonder if Leclair is into this stuff he keeps asking the witnesses about. WHY?!?!?!?!?

    ETA: AND he asked if Magnotta would poop on his floor? LOL



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    Quote Originally Posted by BorgQueen View Post
    Man, now I am REALLY let down! He asks all these bizarre questions to this fairly irrelevant witness, he even harassed Karla's sister, but Sylvie was completely off the hook.


    He asked the witness if he wanted Magnotta to urinate on him?! SERIOUSLY???!?!!! WHAT does that have to do with ANYTHING?!?!? I am starting to wonder if Leclair is into this stuff he keeps asking the witnesses about. WHY?!?!?!?!?

    ETA: AND he asked if Magnotta would poop on his floor? LOL
    Any wonder why this witness said hell no when they asked him to come testify in person?

    I've no doubt LM was telling Leclair this stuff but since you can't trust a word LM says, Leclair can only ask about it to show that he got a different version from his client. It goes two ways. Either to show that the witness is lying and his testimony can't be trusted or that LM is delusional and believes all this stuff really happened during his "psychotic break".

    Personally I just think he was lying to his attorney for more shock and awe and was not suffering from a break when he did this. Everything he did was done with precision from someone who was very high functioning at the time IMO. Well at least I think that right now. Still waiting to hear from the doctors.

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    Man, this is surreal! I know this is a horrific murder trial, but I was laughing out loud at that exchange

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    Yes he sure was stalking KH by the sounds of it. And who in the Karla stalking world knew her mother-in-law's name and address?

    He did seem to be somewhat obsessed with those two female killers. One in real life and one in the movies. I wonder if he even made the distinction?

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    There is some evidence to back up the fact that it is not a coincidence. Bordelais is an uncommon name. In all of Quebec, there are only three Bordelais, and one Bordelais-Moutou. Sylvie is unlisted. Of the three Bordelais in all of the Quebec phone book, one is a Renee Bordelais who lived in the Montreal suburb of Longueil where Thierry Bordelais lived.
    It's the only thing I can find that specifically links Renee Bordelais with the Homolkas. LM lived around a 20-25 minute drive from RB, perhaps he went to check this connection out personally?

    ETA: A little more googling and I found a phone number listed for RB, he may have tried to contact her this way to try and verify a KH connection.
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    Lightbulb

    Maybe the 'poop and urinating' stuff is to try to show how truly nuts LM really is. And wasn't the video called "Lunatic with an Ice Pick" (or something to that effect)? So, maybe the defence is trying to show that there's really a "lunatic" sitting in the courtroom?

    Who knows...........
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    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 7m7 minutes ago
    Back from break. We're now hearing from Beatrice Chow, police officer in British Columbia. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 7m7 minutes ago
    Next witness testifying via video conference from Vancouver. Police officer Beatrice Chow. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
    Dispatched to False Creek Elementary on June 5, 2012. Notified about suspicious package possibly containing human hand. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 6m6 minutes ago
    Dispatched at 1:43 p.m. to B.C. school where they were called in about a suspicious package. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
    Peering into open package, could see what was severed human hand inside.#Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
    Witness says package was sent in Can Post cardboard box, already opened. Inside pink coloured tissue paper, also black wine bag. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
    Looked into wine bag, saw what was to be a human hand and pink paper folded up. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
    Didn't open it, decided to take it to city morgue. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
    Went to morgue with 3 coroners, unpackaged severed hand. Human, right hand. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
    At morgue they took right hand out of package. Unfolded note that was in package. Pink paper, blue felt marker. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
    "Roses are red, violets are blue, the police will need dental records to identify you b!tch" was written on the paper #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Officers dispatched to St. George's school where package containing human foot was sent. That too was sent to Montreal. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness done. #Magnotta

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    I have no.idea how common this kind of fetish is, but I'm guessing that LM went to the guy's house as an "escort"
    Remember how LM had all that money in Germany? This french guy apparently "can't remember" if he asked LM to take his clothes off or not. Then he waited to go to the police after he realised who LM was - he knew which hotel LM was staying at etc so the police could have arrested him there in France
    Why wait - unless you don't want to be asked awkward questions about your sex life?

    I googled planetromeo and the site does have lists of "escorts". And when i googled planetromeo kink I found reviews of an escort who advertises on planetromeo that talks about how he did "watersports" (urinating on each other) with the client. So apparently LM's story isn't as crazy as it first seems! Warning - extremely graphic sexual review:

    http://www.daddysreviews.com/reviewU...ierre_montreal

    ETA if LM did go to this stranger's house just to have a glass of wine and talk about congregating French verbs whilst he was on the run, rather than keeping a low profile, then that is better evidence of insanity than going there to have weird kinky sex to make some money to survive on :P

    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    Maybe the 'poop and urinating' stuff is to try to show how truly nuts LM really is. And wasn't the video called "Lunatic with an Ice Pick" (or something to that effect)? So, maybe the defence is trying to show that there's really a "lunatic" sitting in the courtroom?

    Who knows...........

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    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
    Next witness is secretary for False Creek elementary. Working there June 5, 2012. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    At about 1:15 pm. Engineer handed her a box, I said this box smells. It was addressed to the school #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Gift bag was leaking. Didn't understand why it was leaking and smelled so bad. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Thought it was fish but didn't see fish. Saw something red inside. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 2m2 minutes ago
    When she opened the package, said it smelled like fish. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Asked colleague if she liked fish, she didn't have sense of smell. So she opened the bag. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 55s56 seconds ago
    Do you know what this is? her colleage asked. No, she said. You're joking, she said. Witness said she kept repeating that. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    It was a hand, colleague told her. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
    Next witness: Bruce Merton, school principal. Principal of False Creek Elementary on June 5, 2012. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Says there was a package delivered to the secretary by engineer. She said it was very smelly. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Went back inside office, said that was kind of a shame. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Obvious to him what was in package and they called police. Witness done. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 55s56 seconds ago
    No more questions for the principal. He is excused and next witness is now testifying. #Magnotta

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    Oh I know there are a million and one fetishes out there. But LM is going for an NCR verdict. I think Leclair will drag every single fetish and even make some up just to let the jury think LM is off his rocker and "had no control over killing JL".

    BTW: I don't buy it. LM knew exactly what he was doing that night. (My opinion....)
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    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Next witness: Louise Jones, admin assistant, St. Georges School. Boys school, grades one to seven. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Know #Magnotta? Not to my knowledge.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    June 5, 2012: parcel addressed to me. Unusual, things online I have delivered to school but didn't order anything. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Opened parcel, terrible smell. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
    Jones opened it with pair of scissors to find smelly, but beautifully presented gift inside. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Beautifully presented gift, pink tissue paper, I was confused, smelled terrible. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Smell was making it difficult to look inside wine carrier. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Colleague advised her to take it to the medical center. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 1m1 minute ago
    Jones took it to nurse on duty. Didn't know what it was. She tipped out contents and to our horror it was a a foot. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 2m2 minutes ago
    Then proceeded to contact school security and then they contacted the police. Witness is now excused. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    They contacted police who arrived and the employees were placed in isolation. Witness is done. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Next witness: Robert Casey, security consultant. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    Robert Casey is next witness. Was working security at St Geroge's school. Called to reception re package with foot #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Told school got package containing a foot and they called 911. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Very calm atmosphere, trying to keep it from the students. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    Just a few people knew what was going on, he said. Trying our best to keep news away from the boys (students) #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 52s53 seconds ago
    Witness had called police. Took awhile since school is far from city center. Witness is done. #Magnotta

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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post
    Oh I know there are a million and one fetishes out there. But LM is going for an NCR verdict. I think Leclair will drag every single fetish and even make some up just to let the jury think LM is off his rocker and "had no control over killing JL".

    BTW: I don't buy it. LM knew exactly what he was doing that night. (My opinion....)
    LM had advertised himself online as having a poo fetish before the murder iirc - maybe that kind of extreme fetish can make you more money as an escort than normal sex? I really don't know. Do we have any verified poo fetish experts here who can tell us? :P

    everything I've read from his ex partners seemed to indicate that LM really had.no interest in sex at all, so perhaps he only did it to make money.

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    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Next witness: policeman from France, Julien Miello (sp?). Videotaped testimony from June 26, 2014. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Worked for special national unit, searching for fugitives. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Asked by Canadian authorities and Interpol to look for suspect in murder and flew to Paris Charles deGaulle airport. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago
    Witness says told #Magnotta took flight arriving May 27, 12:10 pm.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago
    Witness says it was traditional search, complaint filed against #Magnotta Oct 10, 2010 for theft.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago
    Witness says based on theft and rape complaint against #Magnotta, they searched hotel: Negative.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Tip on flight departing June 1, #Magnotta not on it.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago
    Witness says they found out #Magnotta took cab from airport and they worked to identify cabbie.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says they tracked down cabbie and they found hotel reservation #Magnotta made.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness says they scanned video surveillance, saw #Magnotta coming and going but couldn't confirm if he stayed at Novotel.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness said he left hotel May 27 with his suitcase #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness says they found out #Magnotta was using several bank cards and making withdrawals.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    June 1: witness says Jean Christophe Robert arrived at HQ and said he met #Magnotta.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Witness says Robert told them about #Magnotta encounter: spoke English, noticeable North American accent, staying at Novotel.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Witness says Robert gave them #Magnotta number, told them about Planet Romeo.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta made reservation for 27 until 28 for 100 euros.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
    #Magnotta made reservation at Novotel for just one night, witness says. Robert met with him May 28

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Witness says Robert met #Magnotta night of May 28. #Magnotta went to his place, talked about banal stuff.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Witness says Robert told them #Magnotta left the next day and hadn't seen him since.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Witness says they investigated #Magnotta cell number, which was registered to Kirk Trammell, address of Novotel.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 52s52 seconds ago
    Witness says researched Kirk Trammell, found nothing. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 43s43 seconds ago
    Defence has two issues to raise. Jury dismissed. #Magnotta

    Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 30s31 seconds ago
    Leclair wants to raise a few issues. Video stopped and jury leaving the court room. Advised to take afternoon break. #Magnotta

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayemonde View Post
    I have no.idea how common this kind of fetish is, but I'm guessing that LM went to the guy's house as an "escort"
    Remember how LM had all that money in Germany? This french guy apparently "can't remember" if he asked LM to take his clothes off or not. Then he waited to go to the police after he realised who LM was - he knew which hotel LM was staying at etc so the police could have arrested him there in France
    Why wait - unless you don't want to be asked awkward questions about your sex life?

    I googled planetromeo and the site does have lists of "escorts". And when i googled planetromeo kink I found reviews of an escort who advertises on planetromeo that talks about how he did "watersports" (urinating on each other) with the client. So apparently LM's story isn't as crazy as it first seems! Warning - extremely graphic sexual review:

    http://www.daddysreviews.com/reviewU...ierre_montreal

    ETA if LM did go to this stranger's house just to have a glass of wine and talk about congregating French verbs whilst he was on the run, rather than keeping a low profile, then that is better evidence of insanity than going there to have weird kinky sex to make some money to survive on :P
    Good theory and totally possible Rayemonde. Some of the French tweets during that exchange seemed to indicate that the witness was very embarrassed but I admit I don't read French very well. And I'm sure he was embarrassed by that line of questioning. So his squeaky clean story of their encounter might be a little off as well. Seems odd that LM had arranged for two "hookups" on gay dating sites and neither of them panned out. But I don't think it was an escort thing. It seems that LM had been in contact with this gentleman when he was still back in Canada. Apparently trying to find a place to stay when he planned to go to France on June 1st?

    However, now we've got tweets that indicate that LM was wanted on a theft and rape charge from October 2010? Where was he then? And who put in that complaint? Plus he had already hooked himself up with a phone under the name of Kirk Trammel and was withdrawing money from bank accounts.

    MOO

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    Look at the number of man hours LE put in searching for this dude! In Canada, France, Berlin. There is no way on earth this wasn't planned down perfectly by LM.

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