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    IN - Richmond, WhtMale UP12980, 25-30, obese, in motel room, May'79

    Here's a John Doe case just recently added to NamUs that I've never heard about before.

    NamUs UP 12980 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/12980

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    Unidentified White Male

    The victim was discovered on May 19, 1979 at the Town and Country Motel, 3643 East Main St., Richmond (Wayne County), Indiana

    Body Condition: Recognizable face

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 25-30 years
    Approximate Height: 5'9" (69 inches).
    Approximate Weight: 290 pounds.
    Hair: Dark and wavy
    Body Hair: Dark Brown
    Facial Hair: Dark Brown
    Eye Color: Brown
    Other Distinctive Characteristics: Obese
    Clothing & Accessories

    Clothing: One change of clothing and toiletries in a small vinyl suitcase were found in the room. All tags had been removed.

    Footwear: not known by investigator

    Other Items: 3 recent magazines, all with address labels removed.

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available elsewhere
    Dentals: Dental information / charting is currently not available
    DNA: Sample submitted - Tests complete

    Circumstances
    Cut his right wrist and sat watching television until death. Name and address in motel registry proven falsified by police locally. Clothing tags had all been removed as well as addresses on magazines found in the room.

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    Except for age being slightly below range, Nicholas Peter Zizzamia fits the description of this John Doe to a tee.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9874/0
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._nicholas.html




    ***** Nicholas Zizzamia John Doe UP12980 Comparison
    Age:
    22 25-30 Slightly below Range
    Height:
    5 Feet 9 to 5 Feet 11 inches 5 Feet 9 inches Within Range
    Weight:
    290 lbs 290 lbs Match
    Hair:
    Brown and Wavy Brown and Wavy Match
    Eyes:
    Brown Brown Match
    Date LKA/Discovery Date:
    12-May-1979 19-May-1979 7 Days
    Loc LKA/Discovery Loc:
    Cherry Hill New Jersey Richmond Indiana 580 Miles
    Circumstances:
    Possibly Suicidal Suicide Match
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 11-04-2014 at 08:28 PM.

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    They've been discussing this possible match on Nicholas thread and looks like investigators are checking it out: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ll-12-May-1979

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    Sure sounds like him. The eye color (brown) matches too.

    The 580-mile distance could be a problem, though. I'm assuming Zizzamia didn't have a car at the time since he was driving his dad's, and that one was found at a barbershop three days after he vanished. He could have used public transit or even hitchhiked to Idaho, though.

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    Thanks for the heads up shutterbug. I was typing up an email, but I now see that I don't need to.

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    I remember a thread for this UID that I saw not too long ago, but I can't find it when searching.

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    I thought so too, bflocket. It was like deja vu all over again!

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    I remember because I looked for something on a map and the guy died the day before I was born....

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    Re-read the Nicholas Zizzamia thread - that's where I had seen this information/connection before! So I'm not crazy after all (or at least not in this instance)!

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    That definitely seems like a plausible match. Another point towards it maybe - in my opinion the UID was NOT transient or living alone before coming to the hotel. They must have been living at home or somewhere they could be tracked from - or else why the magazines with addresses? Also must have lived a quite settled life before disappearing, since you're unlikely to have 3 separate magazine subscriptions for a place you stay only 1 month or something.

    Here's a bit more info on Doenetwork, with some more details:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2388umin.html
    According to this, the UID first arrived in Richmond on the 15th of May (possibly).

    Here's some more details with an article about his burial: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=92287024&

    Apparently, he was in a condition to be identified, and there were photos of him...
    Last edited by alllads; 11-07-2014 at 07:57 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alllads View Post
    That definitely seems like a plausible match. Another point towards it maybe - in my opinion the UID was NOT transient or living alone before coming to the hotel. They must have been living at home or somewhere they could be tracked from - or else why the magazines with addresses? Also must have lived a quite settled life before disappearing, since you're unlikely to have 3 separate magazine subscriptions for a place you stay only 1 month or something.

    Here's a bit more info on Doenetwork, with some more details:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2388umin.html
    According to this, the UID first arrived in Richmond on the 15th of May (possibly).

    Here's some more details with an article about his burial: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=92287024&

    Apparently, he was in a condition to be identified, and there were photos of him...
    I wouldn't spend too much time on the magazines. Many doc offices/public buildings/donation centers have magazines that have been left there. The donater cuts out their address for privacy. So it could be that he just picked them up from somewhere.

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    You know, deca, I would like to respectfully disagree with you on the magazines. First of all, it was 1979. I don't think identity theft was of primary concern in those days. Secondly, the description states that tags were removed from clothing. He gave false info at check-in. One can also surmise that there was no id on the body or in a wallet, or if there were id it was fake too. To me, all those things together indicate the decedent was aware he would be committing suicide and took the extra steps to delay his being identified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migmuu View Post
    Sure sounds like him. The eye color (brown) matches too.

    The 580-mile distance could be a problem, though. I'm assuming Zizzamia didn't have a car at the time since he was driving his dad's, and that one was found at a barbershop three days after he vanished. He could have used public transit or even hitchhiked to Idaho, though.
    You're right about 580 miles, but this UID was found in Indiana, not Idaho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migmuu View Post
    Sure sounds like him. The eye color (brown) matches too.

    The 580-mile distance could be a problem, though. I'm assuming Zizzamia didn't have a car at the time since he was driving his dad's, and that one was found at a barbershop three days after he vanished. He could have used public transit or even hitchhiked to Idaho, though.
    Indiana

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    Whoops, didn't even notice that. Oh well, can't edit it now lol

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