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    2015--Let the WHOLE COMPLETE TRUTH COME OUT!!!

    This is was posted by Stacey Heller Welch on the Taylor's Mountain Descendants Page!!:

    Stacy Heller-Welch There is much more to the Lyon case that hasn't been told to the public. I can say that many were involved. Some are now decreased. It's a horrible and demented crime that was planned out. The truth will come out and it will shock many. Also, the money being spend on this case is because they have enough to continue. She got up on the stand and lied about everything. Sad thing is there are so many more skeletons in the family closet. It will forever leave a bad vibe for those that lived and now live on the mountain. Such evil does exist in the hearts and souls of many.
    Like · Reply · 1 · July 13 at 10:47pm


    Ivy Gerrein Flynn Please tell the police what you know. The girls are my cousins and our clan is torn up not knowing anything for so long. Please! Pm me if you know anything.
    Like · 1 · July 16 at 8:59pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplifymylife2014 View Post
    This is was posted by Stacey Heller Welch on the Taylor's Mountain Descendants Page!!:

    Stacy Heller-Welch There is much more to the Lyon case that hasn't been told to the public. I can say that many were involved. Some are now decreased. It's a horrible and demented crime that was planned out. The truth will come out and it will shock many. Also, the money being spend on this case is because they have enough to continue. She got up on the stand and lied about everything. Sad thing is there are so many more skeletons in the family closet. It will forever leave a bad vibe for those that lived and now live on the mountain. Such evil does exist in the hearts and souls of many.
    Like · Reply · 1 · July 13 at 10:47pm


    Ivy Gerrein Flynn Please tell the police what you know. The girls are my cousins and our clan is torn up not knowing anything for so long. Please! Pm me if you know anything.
    Like · 1 · July 16 at 8:59pm
    I'm sorry but I am calling total BS on this.
    People posting under real names and insulting others are usually not the person they claim to be.
    If she can say that many are involved, she should go to the police with any, even second or third-hand evidence and not post this online.
    And if you know anything, don't PM anyone but go to the police.

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    No, I believe she is related to the Welch family involved. Hopefully, LE has interviewed her in their investigation.

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    steveP120, this info has been given to LE

  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Historydetective63 View Post
    No, I believe she is related to the Welch family involved. Hopefully, LE has interviewed her in their investigation.
    If she actually is who she says she is, then she is the second and current wife of Thomas Teddy Welch, Jr, who LLW2 said was in the car with the Lyon sisters, RAW1, and LLW2. The same TTW2 who let Leonard Kraisel live in his home with his young children. Now Kraisel is a sex offender who lives in prison. btw, I could not find the quoted post on the Taylors Mountain Descendants webpage; perhaps it was removed for obvious reasons.

    Now, if this post was actually on the TMD facebook page, then it very well could have been posted by Stacy Heller Welch, since she would have been logged in to her own Facebook account in order to post to the TMD FB page. Or somebody may have hacked her account.
    Regarding what she said, it is really nothing earth shattering. Of course there is more to this case than we have been told, certainly many were involved, yes, some are deceased, surely the details will shock us, the W family has plenty of skeletons in their closet, and furthermore evil does exist in the hearts and souls of many. Tell us something we don't already know or suspect.

    I would think that LE has already spoken with her as well as her husband TTW2. As she alluded to in her purported post, they likely know things about the case that are not known to the public. However, I can assure you there are many in this forum that have refrained from posting things about the case that are not public knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardLewis View Post
    If she actually is who she says she is, then she is the second and current wife of Thomas Teddy Welch, Jr, who LLW2 said was in the car with the Lyon sisters, RAW1, and LLW2. The same TTW2 who let Leonard Kraisel live in his home with his young children. Now Kraisel is a sex offender who lives in prison. btw, I could not find the quoted post on the Taylors Mountain Descendants webpage; perhaps it was removed for obvious reasons.
    I am not a heavy Facebook user, but I could not find the quoted post on the Taylors Mountain Descendants webpage either. A google search of the quote lead to a page no longer being there, likely deleted?

    Sorry, but it's total made up BS likely by a troll.
    Anyone who would know, "She got up on the stand (in a confidential grand jury hearing) and lied about everything" would also be breaking a law releasing the information.

    If someone says, "I am a member of the Kennedy family, and the Kennedy men are degenerate skirt chasers," true or not, the person saying it is almost certainly not a member of the Kennedy family. Oh, and a Kennedy posting that on a Kennedy Facebook page, not likely.
    Last edited by steveP120; 07-28-2015 at 03:11 AM. Reason: typo

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    New to this platform, longtime reader, though. I spied that Stacey Welch FB post, too; I took a screenshot of it right away (images at the end of this post-- if you can't see them for some reason, let me know.) The post is real and legit, not a troll. She is married to Thomas T. Welch, Jr., who is the nephew of RAW, and was recently reported by WashPo to have given cops information on RAW. Thomas T. Welch does have connections to pedophile Leonard Kraisel, which you can find by searching the MD Judiciary Case Search web site. Another thing you can find out is the criminal record of TTWJr's sister Norma Jean Welch. She runs a daycare center (according to FB) and is/was married to a guy who has child sex abuse and child porn charges against him. Is your blood running cold yet? 2.pngTaylor s Mountain Descendents.png
    Last edited by usagi; 08-02-2015 at 09:40 AM. Reason: just wanted to clarify some info

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    Quote Originally Posted by usagi View Post
    New to this platform, longtime reader, though. I spied that Stacey Welch FB post, too; I took a screenshot of it right away (images at the end of this post-- if you can't see them for some reason, let me know.) The post is real and legit, not a troll. She is married to Thomas T. Welch, Jr., who is the nephew of RAW, and was recently reported by WashPo to have given cops information on RAW. Thomas T. Welch does have connections to pedophile Leonard Kraisel, which you can find by searching the MD Judiciary Case Search web site. Another thing you can find out is the criminal record of TTWJr's sister Norma Jean Welch. She runs a daycare center (according to FB) and is/was married to a guy who has child sex abuse and child porn charges against him. Is your blood running cold yet? 2.pngTaylor s Mountain Descendents.png
    Thanks for the screen shot of the post by Stacey Heller Welch, at least that confirms it is legit. To her credit, she sounds like a decent, compassionate human being.

    Regarding the daughter of TTW1, TTW2's sister Norma Jean Welch-Williams (divorced), (dob 11-1961). She divorced Michael J Williams (dob. 4-1961) in 1997, and according to court records he is NOT guilty of any sexual offenses. Careful with the details, usagi. Their SON, Michael Jay Williams (dob 6-1995) was charged in 2014 at the age of 19 with 11 counts of sexual offenses including sexual solicitation of a minor, child pornography, etc... He somehow negotiated a plea deal and received probation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardLewis View Post
    Thanks for the screen shot of the post by Stacey Heller Welch, at least that confirms it is legit. To her credit, she sounds like a decent, compassionate human being.

    Regarding the daughter of TTW1, TTW2's sister Norma Jean Welch-Williams (divorced), (dob 11-1961). She divorced Michael J Williams (dob. 4-1961) in 1997, and according to court records he is NOT guilty of any sexual offenses. Careful with the details, usagi. Their SON, Michael Jay Williams (dob 6-1995) was charged in 2014 at the age of 19 with 11 counts of sexual offenses including sexual solicitation of a minor, child pornography, etc... He somehow negotiated a plea deal and received probation.
    Norma Jean Welch-Williams' criminal record is not clean, btw. Also her son shares her home address. Even if he negotiated a plea deal, would you send your child to her daycare, knowing that there is even an outside chance a suspected sex offender may have access to her workplace?
    Sadly this Stacey person can say anything she wants on Facebook to make herself sound compassionate, although in the context of the posts, it was gratifying to see someone in the Welch family admit voluntarily that family members were culpable. I would really like to believe that her husband TTWJr is sharing good information with LE. But her husband's association with Leonard Kraisel doesn't make him sound reliable. Still, this doesn't mean LE is wrong about RAW. There is a very likely possibility that RAW and his brothers who were alive at the time (including TTWJr.'s father) all collaborated or covered stuff up with regards to the Lyon sisters' abduction and murder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by usagi View Post
    New to this platform, longtime reader, though. I spied that Stacey Welch FB post, too; I took a screenshot of it right away (images at the end of this post-- if you can't see them for some reason, let me know.) The post is real and legit, not a troll. 2.pngTaylor s Mountain Descendents.png
    There are two people named "Stacy Heller-Welch" on Facebook. The second one looks like a troll to me and likely posted the comment.

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    Is the post still up? If it was taken down, it was likely taken down because it was posted by a troll, or if posted by the real Stacy Heller-Welch, she had second thoughts about her post. I did not see the post still up but I am not an expert on Facebook and a clever Troll will post outrageous things in dark corners to avoid detection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveP120 View Post
    There are two people named "Stacy Heller-Welch" on Facebook. The second one looks like a troll to me and likely posted the comment.

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    Is the post still up? If it was taken down, it was likely taken down because it was posted by a troll, or if posted by the real Stacy Heller-Welch, she had second thoughts about her post. I did not see the post still up but I am not an expert on Facebook and a clever Troll will post outrageous things in dark corners to avoid detection.
    I do not and have never deleted anyone's comments on my TMD page...freedom of speech. And the entire conversation is still there. You just have to take the time to look for it. And the comments were not posted by a "troll", I have had quite a few private conversations with the person who posted it.
    When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.

    Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachlvr0810 View Post
    I do not and have never deleted anyone's comments on my TMD page...freedom of speech. And the entire conversation is still there. .
    The statement that you have never deleted anyone's comment does not mean that the comment is still there.
    People can remove their own comments if they have second thoughts about what they posted and Facebook can remove comments when flagged by other users.

    Have you seen the conversation lately? (of course a troll with sock puppets will post and re-post deleted comments endlessly) The "comment" is no longer indexed by Google. Previously it was indexed by Google but pointed to an empty (deleted?) page.

    Please post a link to the conversation on Facebook IF it's still there.

    Sorry, but I think you and I have been wasting time with trolls and sock puppets; a fact of life online. If the real person wrote it, she may have had second thoughts, perhaps after feedback, about overstating her case, presenting opinions of others' guilt as facts, and deleted the post herself.
    Last edited by steveP120; 08-03-2015 at 05:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveP120 View Post

    Please post a link to the conversation on Facebook IF it's still there.
    If the post still exists, this is how you find the permalink on Facebook if you don't already know how to:


    Locate the ‘timestamp’ for the post. This will either be an amount of time e.g. 30 minutes ago (for recent posts), or it will be a date e.g. 30th April (for older posts).
    Right click on the timestamp and copy the url. Alternatively, you can click the timestamp with left mouse button and it will open up the post into a page where you can copy the permalink from your address (URL) bar at the top.
    Now you can copy and paste the permalink as you please!

    from: http://dannyasling.com/2014/04/28/ho...facebook-post/

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    If one does a google search on the date and time of that ALLEGED/DELETED Facebook post and alleged poster

    "July 13 at 10:47pm" Stacy Heller-Welch
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...y+Heller-Welch

    NO FACEBOOK PAGES SHOW UP IN RESULTS.
    Other similar search terms turned up no Facebook pages containing the alleged post.

    If one does a search on the time, date, and user name of a post that actually exists on Facebook such as one of her other posts.

    "July 17 at 10:33pm" Stacy Heller-Welch
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...+Heller-Welch+

    GOGGLE RETURNS A FACEBOOK POST.

    Of course I can't prove unicorns don't exist just because Google can't find a live unicorn. One can't prove a negative. But if you want to argue that unicorns or a web post exist, you should come up with a live unicorn or permalink.

    Even it was not posted by a troll and she posted it herself, and later deleted it herself, one might want to consider that she retracted her statement.

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