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    MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #13



    11-year-old Jacob Wetterling was riding bicycles with his brother and a friend in St. Joseph, Minnesota on October 22, 1989 when they were approached by an unknown man with a gun. The man let the other boys go, but grabbed Jacob and walked away with him. Jacob has never been heard from again.

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    Let's go for the timeline again. The other one that Cgorg posted was mostly based on DR's words. Most of these are estimations, Websleuths let's put this together!
    October 22, 1989 Timeline:

    8:20 -Call to Wetterling parents to ask permission to walk to store in dark
    8:30 -Boys leave Kiwi Ct
    8:37 -Boys pass abduction site (DR driveway) Aaron hears noise roadside
    8:45 -Boys arrive at Tom Thumb
    8:55 -Boys leave Tom Thumb
    9:05 -Abductor approaches boys
    9:10 -Boys run, last sighting of Jacob by Aaron as man walks up DR driveway
    9:30 -Boys arrive back at Wetterling home
    9:32 -Neighbor Merle Jerzak calls cops
    9:39 -Cops arrive at Wetterlings
    9:45 -Kevin drives up and around DR driveway
    9:50 -Cops arrive at DR driveway
    10:00 -Wetterlings arrive at home
    11:23 -DR 911 call
    11:26 -DR goes to scene, tells cops he'll search his own property
    3:00 -Cops leave scene unsecured
    October 23, 1989 Timeline:
    6:00 -Cops arrive at scene in am
    -DR drives up driveway, lifts crime scene tape and asks to leave (car full of instrument boxes which were not checked)
    -Cops arrive at DR school
    -Cops search DR car visually

    Now for those who know exactly where to find the times, please copy,paste and enter actual times. Add anything the is relevant to the timeline. Let's go from the top. These are mostly estimate except we know that DR called 911 at 11:23, Jacob was abducted between 9-9:15.ops left scene at 3:00 am and came back at either 6 or 8 am the next morning.
    Last edited by HEY YOU!; 11-13-2014 at 10:23 PM.

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    Wasn't the 911 call made from the Wetterling residence? The boys told the babysitter and she called her father, who then called the cops. Is this correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepHopeAlive View Post
    Wasn't the 911 call made from the Wetterling residence? The boys told the babysitter and she called her father, who then called the cops. Is this correct?
    You are correct!

    'Wetterlings' house, where Rochelle Jerzak, a neighbor who was baby-sitting Jacob's sister Carmen, 8 (Jacob's older sister Amy, 13, was visiting a friend), called home. Rochelle's father, Merle, dialed 911 and then called the Wetterlings—thereby setting in motion the extraordinary effort to get Jacob back.'

    Quote states that boys went to Wetterlings, Rochelle called her dad Merle who then called police. Thank you KeepHopeAlive! Let's retrace the boys steps and get this timeline cleaned up!
    Last edited by HEY YOU!; 11-13-2014 at 09:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepHopeAlive View Post
    Wasn't the 911 call made from the Wetterling residence? The boys told the babysitter and she called her father, who then called the cops. Is this correct?
    Here's a quote from the 911 transcript: found here on Thread #4, post #97

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...24#post6041824

    "This is Merlin Jerzak from xxx Kiwi Court in St Joe, right in the Township. I am right now next door to my neighbor’s, at my neighbors, the Jerry Wetterling family."

    So, from that, it sounds like the Caller, Merlin Jerzak, was at the Wetterling's when he made the call.

    Also, from the call, you hear/read that the cops show up, at the Wetterling's, while the 911 operator is still on the phone with them.

    Whether the guys had originally taken Jacob's younger sister to their neighbor's house, or, whether the neighbor came to their house for babysitting, I don't know; but, it looks like in either case, they were all at the Wetterling's when the call was made. When M. Jerzak made the call Trevor and Aaron were there with him and Trevor even talked w/the 911 operator.

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    Yes, Merle came over to Wetterlings after his daughter called and talked briefly with boys and called 911 from Wetterling's house.

    In your timeline:
    "9:10 -Boys run, last sighting of Jacob by Aaron as man walks up DR driveway"

    Aaron never said anything about a driveway, he couldn't see Jacob at all. "When Aaron turned around to look, Jacob was gone."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEY YOU! View Post
    Let's go for the timeline again. The other one that Cgorg posted was mostly based on DR's words. Most of these are estimations, Websleuths let's put this together!
    October 22, 1989 Timeline:

    8:20 -Call to Wetterling parents to ask permission to walk to store in dark
    8:30 -Boys leave Kiwi Ct
    8:37 -Boys pass abduction site (DR driveway) Aaron hears noise roadside
    8:45 -Boys arrive at Tom Thumb
    8:55 -Boys leave Tom Thumb
    9:05 -Abductor approaches boys
    9:10 -Boys run, last sighting of Jacob by Aaron as man walks up DR driveway
    9:30 -Boys arrive back at Wetterling home
    9:32 -Neighbor Merle Jerzak calls cops
    9:39 -Cops arrive at Wetterlings
    9:45 -Kevin drives up and around DR driveway
    9:50 -Cops arrive at DR driveway
    10:00 -Wetterlings arrive at home
    11:23 -DR 911 call
    11:26 -DR goes to scene, tells cops he'll search his own property
    3:00 -Cops leave scene unsecured
    October 23, 1989 Timeline:
    6:00 -Cops arrive at scene in am
    -DR drives up driveway, lifts crime scene tape and asks to leave (car full of instrument boxes which were not checked)
    -Cops arrive at DR school
    -Cops search DR car visually

    Now for those who know exactly where to find the times, please copy,paste and enter actual times. Add anything the is relevant to the timeline. Let's go from the top. These are mostly estimate except we know that DR called 911 at 11:23, Jacob was abducted between 9-9:15.ops left scene at 3:00 am and came back at either 6 or 8 am the next morning.
    What time did the only supposed witness to the abduction, become known to be a witness? Thank you, Hey You.

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    My Top 3

    With the facts I've been given my list of top 3 suspects is as follows

    1. DR
    2. Kevin & his girlfriend
    3. Matthew Feeney

    Other-

    The Phantom Menace (from parts unknown)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEY YOU! View Post
    Let's go for the timeline again. The other one that Cgorg posted was mostly based on DR's words. Most of these are estimations, Websleuths let's put this together!
    October 22, 1989 Timeline:

    8:20 -Call to Wetterling parents to ask permission to walk to store in dark
    8:30 -Boys leave Kiwi Ct
    8:37 -Boys pass abduction site (DR driveway) Aaron hears noise roadside
    8:45 -Boys arrive at Tom Thumb
    8:55 -Boys leave Tom Thumb
    9:05 -Abductor approaches boys
    9:10 -Boys run, last sighting of Jacob by Aaron as man walks up DR driveway
    9:30 -Boys arrive back at Wetterling home
    9:32 -Neighbor Merle Jerzak calls cops
    9:39 -Cops arrive at Wetterlings
    9:45 -Kevin drives up and around DR driveway
    9:50 -Cops arrive at DR driveway
    10:00 -Wetterlings arrive at home
    11:23 -DR 911 call
    11:26 -DR goes to scene, tells cops he'll search his own property
    3:00 -Cops leave scene unsecured
    October 23, 1989 Timeline:
    6:00 -Cops arrive at scene in am
    -DR drives up driveway, lifts crime scene tape and asks to leave (car full of instrument boxes which were not checked)
    -Cops arrive at DR school
    -Cops search DR car visually

    Now for those who know exactly where to find the times, please copy,paste and enter actual times. Add anything the is relevant to the timeline. Let's go from the top. These are mostly estimate except we know that DR called 911 at 11:23, Jacob was abducted between 9-9:15.ops left scene at 3:00 am and came back at either 6 or 8 am the next morning.
    Just to clarify....I did not base any of the time frames on DR's testimony...quite the contrary....the gaps are due to DR...not the other way around. I simply read everything from WS(which was referenced to reality, as well as other sites) and compiled the time frames....so if you look at my original timeline(there were 2)...you will see that the times that are solid in fact are based on fact and the times unknown are stated as such. Having said that, I agree...please complete the timeline as I was only able to take it so far.
    Last edited by cGorg; 11-14-2014 at 05:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepHopeAlive View Post
    Wasn't the 911 call made from the Wetterling residence? The boys told the babysitter and she called her father, who then called the cops. Is this correct?
    Yes, Merle Jerzak made the call from the Wetterling's house.
    saintautumn.wordpress.com

    his words are confusing but I take it to mean that he walked to the Wetterling house and then made the 911 call.
    sorry I couldn't make the link work...but the description is there.


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    Let's go for the timeline again. The other one that Cgorg posted was mostly based on DR's words. Most of these are estimations, Websleuths let's put this together!
    October 22, 1989 Timeline:

    8:20 -Call to Wetterling parents to ask permission to walk to store in dark
    8:30 -Boys leave Kiwi Ct
    8:37 -Boys pass abduction site (DR driveway) Aaron hears noise roadside
    8:45 -Boys arrive at Tom Thumb
    8:55 -Boys leave Tom Thumb
    9:05 -Abductor approaches boys
    9:10 -Boys run, last sighting of Jacob by Aaron as man walks up DR driveway
    9:30 -Boys arrive back at Wetterling home
    9:32 -Neighbor Merle Jerzak calls cops
    9:39 -Cops arrive at Wetterlings
    9:45 -Kevin drives up and around DR driveway
    9:50 -Cops arrive at DR driveway
    10:00 -Wetterlings arrive at home
    11:23 -DR 911 call
    11:26 -DR goes to scene, tells cops he'll search his own property
    3:00 -Cops leave scene unsecured
    October 23, 1989 Timeline:
    6:00 -Cops arrive at scene in am
    -DR drives up driveway, lifts crime scene tape and asks to leave (car full of instrument boxes which were not checked)
    -Cops arrive at DR school
    -Cops search DR car visually

    Now for those who know exactly where to find the times, please copy,paste and enter actual times. Add anything the is relevant to the timeline. Let's go from the top. These are mostly estimate except we know that DR called 911 at 11:23, Jacob was abducted between 9-9:15.ops left scene at 3:00 am and came back at either 6 or 8 am the next morning.


    I am curious where you obtained your minute by minute description....is it estimation on your part....or based on something solid? I'm not criticizing, simply asking.
    Last edited by cGorg; 11-14-2014 at 05:36 AM.

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    Joy's blog states that Kevin and friends were playing cards until 9:45-10 pm....so they couldn't possibly be at the abduction site at 9:45 pm. So, I think this timeline should be dissected and finalized if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEY YOU! View Post
    You are correct!

    'Wetterlings' house, where Rochelle Jerzak, a neighbor who was baby-sitting Jacob's sister Carmen, 8 (Jacob's older sister Amy, 13, was visiting a friend), called home. Rochelle's father, Merle, dialed 911 and then called the Wetterlings—thereby setting in motion the extraordinary effort to get Jacob back.'

    Quote states that boys went to Wetterlings, Rochelle called her dad Merle who then called police. Thank you KeepHopeAlive! Let's retrace the boys steps and get this timeline cleaned up!
    But didn't Merle put Trevor on the phone to the 911 operator? So that would mean the boys + Merle were at Wetterling's house. I guess that's what you're saying but your quote seemed to indicate that Rochelle called her Dad and he called the police from his house....sorry to be persnickety.

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    I could be wrong but I think that DR first met Kevin on a news program interview, on one of the MPLS stations. So he would know who he was, please correct me if I am wrong....post #994,thread 12 by Ifollowthis
    I've seen this before but paid minimal attention...wondered if this could be verified? And wondered how Joy connected Kevin + DR? I think she said via a mutual acquaintance (for Kevin) and a request(by DR) for at least an inquiry to Kevin 'the tire track guy' as to the car he was driving that night (10-22-1989). It would be MOST interesting if there is a video of the 2 of them meeting prior to this.

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    Most of these are estimations, Websleuths let's put this together!

    October 22, 1989 Timeline:

    8:20 -Call to Wetterling parents to ask permission to walk to store in dark
    8:30 -Boys leave Kiwi Ct
    8:37 -Boys pass abduction site (DR driveway) Aaron hears noise roadside
    8:45 -Boys arrive at Tom Thumb
    9:02 -Boys leave Tom Thumb
    9:15 -Abductor approaches boys
    9:20 -Boys run into woods directly across from abduction site, turn around and see no sign of Jacob or abductor
    9:30 -Boys arrive back at Wetterling home
    *9:32 -Neighbor Merle Jerzak calls cops
    *9:37 -Kevin hears scanner
    *9:40 -Cops arrive at Wetterlings
    9:45 -Kevin drives up and around DR driveway
    -Cops arrive at DR driveway
    10:00 -Wetterlings arrive at home
    *11:23 -DR 911 call
    11:26 -DR goes to scene, tells cops he'll search his own property
    * 3:00 -Cops leave scene unsecured
    October 23, 1989 Timeline:
    * 6:00 -Cops arrive at scene in am
    -DR drives up driveway, lifts crime scene tape and asks to leave (car full of instrument boxes which were not checked)
    -Cops arrive at DR school
    -Cops search DR car visually

    Now for those who know exactly where to find the times, please copy, paste and enter actual times. Add anything the is relevant to the timeline. Let's go from the top. These are mostly estimate except we know that DR called 911 at 11:23, Jacob was abducted between 9-9:15. Cops were called at 9:32 from Wetterling home, cops arrived at Wetterling home 8 minutes later. Cops left scene at 3:00 am and came back at either 6 or 8 am the next morning.

    *Indicates known times. Others are estimates based on the information that we do have.

    11/14/14 Changed Kevin driving up driveway time due to statement he made that they were playing cards until around 9:45-10. According to Shergal, Kevin heard the scanner go off at 9:37. He also heard the cops go by and then stated that they left to see where they went. I don't think they waited until 10, I put the time back to 9:45 unless there is more compelling evidence saying otherwise.

    Interesting to note, I played out the abduction according to the boys statement and it took well under a minute from boys being stopped to them being told to run. Try it. I still can't believe how quickly that scenario played out.

    Note to CGorg...Definitely pick apart the timeline so we can be as accurate as possible. I was not saying anything negative about your timeline, only that some statements that were made by DR were noted in there and that we should have an unbiased timeline since he is named POI that could skew the facts. I have estimated times based on the story that's been told from day one. I recall at some point a time mentioned for the phone call to the Wetterlings at the party but I can't find it. That would be the true start time and would help with the estimations. As it stands now, from the time the boys left to the abduction it is a 40 minute time frame. Any and all facts that are known in regards to timeline will change it for accuracy. Thank you, CGorg!!
    Last edited by HEY YOU!; 11-14-2014 at 12:49 PM.

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