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    ND - Thomas 'Tom' Bearson, 19, Fargo, 20 Sep 2014 #3

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    This may or may not be applicable. The differences here are LE being forthright & disclosing information to the families.. (In the one case, maybe it's because Rachel Hoffman was a girl & kept her boyfriend "in the loop" of what was going on... LE were forced to admit to it.).


    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...the-throwaways

    No one need chastise me or tell me this theory of Tom being a Confidential Informant is wrong. I realize there are some flaws in it. I'm not sure I think it's plausible. But it's worth thinking about.

    Also to those of you parents reading this: make sure to warn your children about this. NEVER, EVER agree to work undercover without speaking to an attorney. No matter how much trouble you are in.. It's better than winding up dead.
    "Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person is like expecting a bull not to attack you because you are a vegetarian." Dennis Wholey

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    Marking my spot.

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    I believe it is a myth that LE is forthright with and keep the immediate family abreast of details about the investigations. They may give generalizations like "leads are coming in" or we "have a POI in mind" but that's it. Family and close friend relationships are the first that are looked at, we all know that. Should a POI be a close friend LE does not want to discuss that with family for fear that the family may want to take justice in their own hands or question a POI on their own, as it could destroy progress.

    Also an investigation may reveal things that a family is unaware of that may harm the memory or reputation of the loved one. Unless it is pertinent in the end to the justice for the victim, there is no reason to disclose it to the family. In regard to a laptop. There are reasons for "privacy" settings and such while we are alive. Parents know full well that teenage kids do not want then reading their e-mails and private thoughts. It is more sacred than a diary, IMO. So for LE to rush to give an 18 year old (now an adult) laptop to the family may be more harmful than helpful. In the end, if and when a POI is exposed LE may have to work backward from items in that laptop. If that laptop leaves LE custody now the whole chain of custody comes into play. {BTW in that case the killer was not anywhere on any radar for the case. He got busted at a checkpoint in CA for possession of a silencer which is a felony. They got his prints and DNA then. It became a match to the triple homicide. It was happenstance he got busted, and dedicated investigators that insisted on the DNA searches.}

    In a triple homicide case in San Diego it progressed much like this case. After 6 months and a suspect was arrested the search warrants were revealed, the family had to learn that they themselves, their bank records, cell phones and family dynamics had been investigated during that time. Also they found that all three were involved in heavy use of heroin. My point is during the investigation had it been possible the family was not privy to and not harmed by the investigation until it became integral to it.

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    It has been mentioned on this thread before, that for the most part, family and friends have been very quiet. I am not trying to insinuate what anyone else’s reason(s) for that might or should be.
    My opinion only: I read through this article again today. As I read it, I tried to imagine reading it from a loved one’s standpoint, and what this article might then mean or say to me. What stands out to me is that there is an inference that this crime occurred as a result of unsafe practices and lack of awareness, rather than due to the hands of a murderer. And that, without those factors, no need to be fearful because Fargo is actually safe and always has been otherwise. It sounds very blaming of the victim, and oxymoronic to me.
    I clearly understand that this wordage is standard protocol, and that this is acceptable in our society due to many factors.
    I am ashamed of what we have learned to accept.

    http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/...ed-as-homicide
    “Fargo Police tell Valley News Live they cannot comment on specifics of the case, but they feel there is no threat to the community at this time. Lt. Joel Vettel says there is no reason to believe people should be living in fear, and Fargo is still a safe place to live.
    Vettel did say there is a concern after these events. He realizes the first reaction for people might be shock and alarm. Adding people should have a heightened awareness.
    Both departments agree people should look out for their own safety.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by CantNotCare View Post
    It has been mentioned on this thread before, that for the most part, family and friends have been very quiet. I am not trying to insinuate what anyone else’s reason(s) for that might or should be.
    My opinion only: I read through this article again today. As I read it, I tried to imagine reading it from a loved one’s standpoint, and what this article might then mean or say to me. What stands out to me is that there is an inference that this crime occurred as a result of unsafe practices and lack of awareness, rather than due to the hands of a murderer. And that, without those factors, no need to be fearful because Fargo is actually safe and always has been otherwise. It sounds very blaming of the victim, and oxymoronic to me.
    I clearly understand that this wordage is standard protocol, and that this is acceptable in our society due to many factors.
    I am ashamed of what we have learned to accept.

    http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/...ed-as-homicide
    “Fargo Police tell Valley News Live they cannot comment on specifics of the case, but they feel there is no threat to the community at this time. Lt. Joel Vettel says there is no reason to believe people should be living in fear, and Fargo is still a safe place to live.
    Vettel did say there is a concern after these events. He realizes the first reaction for people might be shock and alarm. Adding people should have a heightened awareness.
    Both departments agree people should look out for their own safety.”
    (BBM).

    Ya know, I have to say it, this is an excellent point. By the very proclamation by police that the city of Fargo is a safe place, it certainly could be read to say then that, well, the town is safe so the kid must have done something wrong.

    I must admit, That right there is a twist I hadn't considered. Words are just so much more important than I had ever realized when I was young.

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    Here since the beginning. The fact that the family is so quiet is concerning especially so far out. The recent theories or thoughts shared here almost have to carry some weight.

    Was it a fight club gone wrong? Was he using drugs or alcohol and fell down the stairs? The homicidal violence thing throws a loop...the family has to know more than we do and they're quiet.

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    People - some of this is getting a little "Oliver Stoneish".

    I come to this site every day hoping to hear the news that the case is nearing resolution. I'm consistently disappointed like all of you.

    But i just refuse to believe the police are not being tactical, professional, and thorough in investigating this.

    The posts are interesting but i just cannot believe anything nefarious is going on in regards to the LE efforts. Does anyone really believe they're suppressing a supposed news video or even could if they wanted to?

    Also, I tend to agree with the poster who said we need to back off of family and friends and they're reactions to the tragedy they are living. Afterall, we seriously don't know a thing about what is really going on with them. Has it come to arriving at conclusions about a persons motives and integrity and guilt or innocence solely based on social media posts? Or lack of them?

    I don't intend to quash discussion - this is all interesting - but let's be realistic. Us outsiders are getting crumbs and trying to make a cake out of it.

    I know we all want justice for Tom. Let's hope we get it no matter how long it takes....which honestly....may be a ways off.

    Thanks for listening.

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    May God Bless your Soul Thomas Bearson, and hold you and those that love you forever in His arms. Amen.
    Other than that, tonight I'm silent.


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    One last thing. It occurs to me that the long wait for autopsy results are likely due to testing for something out of the ordinary. Would bath salts-synthetic marijuana qualify? I know synth drugs are a big problem in this part of the world and can cause a user to do some very irrational things. I'm guessing here of course but are these routinely tested for since these "drugs" are newer to the scene? If not, perhaps the tests take longer having been around for a relatively short time.

    Its just one thought. There could be a hundred reasons that make perfect sense in causing a delay. And my hope is this is a formality that once resolved will lead directly to an arrest.

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    Best post I've seen yet from anyone right there CantNotCare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudpapa View Post
    People - some of this is getting a little "Oliver Stoneish".

    I come to this site every day hoping to hear the news that the case is nearing resolution. I'm consistently disappointed like all of you.

    But i just refuse to believe the police are not being tactical, professional, and thorough in investigating this.

    The posts are interesting but i just cannot believe anything nefarious is going on in regards to the LE efforts. Does anyone really believe they're suppressing a supposed news video or even could if they wanted to?

    Also, I tend to agree with the poster who said we need to back off of family and friends and they're reactions to the tragedy they are living. Afterall, we seriously don't know a thing about what is really going on with them. Has it come to arriving at conclusions about a persons motives and integrity and guilt or innocence solely based on social media posts? Or lack of them?

    I don't intend to quash discussion - this is all interesting - but let's be realistic. Us outsiders are getting crumbs and trying to make a cake out of it.

    I know we all want justice for Tom. Let's hope we get it no matter how long it takes....which honestly....may be a ways off.

    Thanks for listening.
    I just have a general question about the supposed video of him at the dorm and the discussion surrounding it. What are you guys getting at? What is the importance of the video or whether it exists? Just curious. I can't really tell if you guys are trying to point to a cover-up either by the university or police department, if you think the backpack is important, or if it is something else altogether. Could anyone enlighten me on this?

    Would like to add that I don't see the backpack as being important to the case. It wasn't too long ago that I graduated from college and it was very common for students to carry around a backpack on the weekends. When I was going to house parties with my friends we would often have at least one in our group carrying a backpack with our beer or liquor/mixer of choice for the weekend. It's possible he was carrying drug paraphanelia in the backpack as well, but even that isn't out of the ordinary. College students drink before they are 21 and/or smoke a little weed. Neither of those things are out of the ordinary so I don't think the backpack itself is relevant in determining what happened to TB that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudpapa View Post
    People - some of this is getting a little "Oliver Stoneish".

    I come to this site every day hoping to hear the news that the case is nearing resolution. I'm consistently disappointed like all of you.

    But i just refuse to believe the police are not being tactical, professional, and thorough in investigating this.

    The posts are interesting but i just cannot believe anything nefarious is going on in regards to the LE efforts. Does anyone really believe they're suppressing a supposed news video or even could if they wanted to?

    Also, I tend to agree with the poster who said we need to back off of family and friends and they're reactions to the tragedy they are living. Afterall, we seriously don't know a thing about what is really going on with them. Has it come to arriving at conclusions about a persons motives and integrity and guilt or innocence solely based on social media posts? Or lack of them?

    I don't intend to quash discussion - this is all interesting - but let's be realistic. Us outsiders are getting crumbs and trying to make a cake out of it.

    I know we all want justice for Tom. Let's hope we get it no matter how long it takes....which honestly....may be a ways off.

    Thanks for listening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudpapa View Post
    One last thing. It occurs to me that the long wait for autopsy results are likely due to testing for something out of the ordinary. Would bath salts-synthetic marijuana qualify? I know synth drugs are a big problem in this part of the world and can cause a user to do some very irrational things. I'm guessing here of course but are these routinely tested for since these "drugs" are newer to the scene? If not, perhaps the tests take longer having been around for a relatively short time.

    Its just one thought. There could be a hundred reasons that make perfect sense in causing a delay. And my hope is this is a formality that once resolved will lead directly to an arrest.
    I was told by an acquaintance that is a parole officer, that testing for the synthetic drugs can be routinely done now, from a urine sample, and I understood that results take no longer than for other drugs.
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