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    Quote Originally Posted by smile22
    do they have any strong leads besides miss x and is anyone doing anything to find those remains of miss x
    I don't know about any strong leads, but yes "we" are looking to find Miss X, who ever she might be. We think the remains are in AZ, just where is the question.

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    I found 3 articles last night from the Dallas Morning news. Little miss x remains were taken to Spearfish, SD to be examined by a DR. Floyd B. Ward. Later at least her jaw and mandible bones were taken to Denver, CO and examined by a team of doctors. Articles were dated 23rd, 25th, and 26th of November 1962.

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    from Dallas morning news, Nov. 23rd 1962

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    ...........After studying the remains and dental chart, Dr. John Spilley, a dentist here, said there was " only a chance in a million that they are not ones of the same person".......

    ...........Dr. Spilley based his conclusion on an unusual dental condition-- a supernumerary or extra tooth. " Our girl here has a dental chart that compares completely with Connie Smith and her skull shows indentation where obviously a supernumerary has been removed at the spot where Dr. Ward said he removed Connie Smith's" Spilley said.

    ...........Remains found in Arizona- the skull and lower jaw bone- and dental charts were being taken to Spearfish by undersheriff Clark Cole of Coconino county........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow
    Flagstaff, Arizona
    ...........After studying the remains and dental chart, Dr. John Spilley, a dentist here, said there was " only a chance in a million that they are not ones of the same person".......

    ...........Dr. Spilley based his conclusion on an unusual dental condition-- a supernumerary or extra tooth. " Our girl here has a dental chart that compares completely with Connie Smith and her skull shows indentation where obviously a supernumerary has been removed at the spot where Dr. Ward said he removed Connie Smith's" Spilley said.

    ...........Remains found in Arizona- the skull and lower jaw bone- and dental charts were being taken to Spearfish by undersheriff Clark Cole of Coconino county........
    Article also mentioned the two deer hunters that found remains were from Yuma, AZ.

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    Dallas morning news Nov. 25th 1962

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    A team of Denver doctors agreed Saturday the skeleton of a girl found in Grand Canyon National Park was that of long-missing grandaughter of a former Wyoming governor, an Arizona lawman reported.
    But undersheriff Clarke Cole of Flagstaff, AZ said the doctors planned to hold one more consultation Saturday night with an oral surgeon before announcing a final decision........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow
    Flagstaff, Arizona
    ...........After studying the remains and dental chart, Dr. John Spilley, a dentist here, said there was " only a chance in a million that they are not ones of the same person".......

    ...........Dr. Spilley based his conclusion on an unusual dental condition-- a supernumerary or extra tooth. " Our girl here has a dental chart that compares completely with Connie Smith and her skull shows indentation where obviously a supernumerary has been removed at the spot where Dr. Ward said he removed Connie Smith's" Spilley said.

    ...........Remains found in Arizona- the skull and lower jaw bone- and dental charts were being taken to Spearfish by undersheriff Clark Cole of Coconino county........
    The article is dated 1962. Why then, after all these years, are both cases still unsolved?

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    Dallas morning news Nov. 26th, 1962

    Bones found not those of missing girl

    ..........A dental surgeon, Dr. David N. Berman, and a pathologist, Dr. George I. Ogura, said an examination of bones found near Arizona's Grand Canyon in 1958 indicated they were not the skeletal remains of Connie Smith, grandaughter of former Wyoming Gov. Nels H. Smith. They said undersheriff Clarke Cole of Coconino county, AZ concurred in their findings.........

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    Quite the sudden turn-around, don't you think? A bit suspicious, maybe?

    Talelights believes she has a solid lead on the location of Little Miss X's remains.
    If so, DNA testing will be conducted to answer the question once and for all. If this is not Connie, a facial reconstruction of Miss X has already been arranged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowangel
    Quite the sudden turn-around, don't you think? A bit suspicious, maybe?

    Talelights believes she has a solid lead on the location of Little Miss X's remains.
    If so, DNA testing will be conducted to answer the question once and for all. If this is not Connie, a facial reconstruction of Miss X has already been arranged.
    That's what I thought too, and it doesn't really say why Berman and Ogura came to this conclusion. Everyone else seemed do certain it was Connie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow
    That's what I thought too, and it doesn't really say why Berman and Ogura came to this conclusion. Everyone else seemed do certain it was Connie.
    Ya know, the way this reads, the teeth match but the rest of the skeleton doesn't! (The undersheriff concurred? What would he know about a girl who disappeared years before on the other side of the country?)

    By the way, I believe the undersheriff may be involved in the final disposition of the remains...Hmmmmm.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowangel
    Ya know, the way this reads, the teeth match but the rest of the skeleton doesn't! (The undersheriff concurred? What would he know about a girl who disappeared years before on the other side of the country?)
    By the way, I believe the undersheriff may be involved in the final disposition of the remains...Hmmmmm.....

    Actually the teeth did not really match. There was something about an indentation and if a tooth may or may not have been pulled. The dentists all were of different opinions on it at the time and none seemed to agree.



    The undersheriff, who actually hand carried the remains to the family compound and met with the family and the dentist, had another reason that may have lead to the conclusion it may not have been Connie Smith, which I can not go into here. With that being said, the only way to be sure, would be DNA. Which is ready and available as soon as the remains are located?



    As far as the final disposition, we are not sure if it was the undersheriff or the sheriff who had the final disposition. We may have some further answers shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow
    Article also mentioned the two deer hunters that found remains were from Yuma, AZ.
    Were you able to locate any information on the original find? Besides the mention in this article. I would love to read what was reported when these were first found, that might give us some clues to chase.

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    Update

    There's little to update in our search for the remains of "Little Miss X or Miss X" in Arizona. We are looking into both the Williams and Flagstaff area for her resting location.

    The records, now more than fifty years old, may no longer exist, are in an old storage shed or maybe even have been purged, by now. But she is out there someplace, and we are going to find her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talelights
    There's little to update in our search for the remains of "Little Miss X or Miss X" in Arizona. We are looking into both the Williams and Flagstaff area for her resting location.

    The records, now more than fifty years old, may no longer exist, are in an old storage shed or maybe even have been purged, by now. But she is out there someplace, and we are going to find her.
    You might try simply contacting municipal cemeteries which accept "pauper" burials. Where would the police normally send unidentified dead or homless persons who die and have no family?

    Sometimes, Cemeteries have some interesting things in their records. I was once able to obtain a death certificate and autopsy report on a homicide victim from a cemetery office.

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    The local funeral home is a good place to start a search. They usually maintain good records. I found an unknown infants burial place... it was Potters Field... found in the middle of a city cemetary.

    Potters Field is what most city's call the area set aside for unknown or indigent burials.

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