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    IL - Chicago, BlkFem UP12930, 55-75, on Lake Michigan shore, Mar'08

    Police were notified of a female body near Lake Michigan after a person walking near the shoreline spotted the body Tuesday afternoon.

    An unidentified woman was found along the shoreline in the 5400 block of South Lake Shore Drive about 3:10 p.m., police News Affairs Officer John Mirabelli said. The body was discovered near Promontory Point.

    http://cbs2chicago.com/local/body.fo....2.684777.html
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    Woman's Body Recovered From Lake Michigan

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    The Cook County Medical Examiner’s Office said the body appears to be an African-American female. She was pronounced dead at the Stein Institute at 6:50 p.m.

    Police are conducting a death investigation, and an autopsy is scheduled Wednesday.

    http://www.nbc5.com/news/15707745/de...=headlineclick

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    The wording of that is peculiar. She was pronounced dead? I thought they said they found a body? Was she not dead until nearly four hours later or what?! Normally, they say something about an autopsy being performed etc. Odd.

    I wonder if she had been reported as missing already or if she will be one of those so recent she hasn't hit the reports. Very sad that another woman is found floating in the lake again. I hope they ID her soon and it will bring some closure to her family left behind. I also hope they have no trouble finding the COD.
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    I think they just have an official pronouncement...by a coroner or dr.

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    I guess you are right, but it seems weird. Maybe because no one prints it up that way in the media usually. It is a given.
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    http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=2595.0
    Quote from a dead link:

    A man and his son walking along the lake found the body washed up on the boulders near Promontory Point on the South Side on Tuesday afternoon.

    The unidentified woman -- about six-feet tall and black -- was found about 3 p.m. near 5401 S. Lake Shore Dr., according to Prairie District Police Lt. Mark Aducci.

    The police Marine Unit and the Chicago Fire Department retrieved the body, which was taken to the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office, the lieutenant said.

    The medical examiner’s office said the body appears to be an African-American female, whose age and identity remained unknown as of Wednesday afternoon.
    She drowned but it wasn't certain why, whether a suicide, accident or murder.

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    Bumping this. With her height being almost 6 feet tall, it seems this person could be identified.
    Where is Shawn Hale? https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7546/0/ Missing from Apple Valley CA since 11/04/1994

    Where is Michelle Crawford? https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14428/0/ Missing from Lawton, OK since 06/08/1999

    Where is Jennifer Lee Schmidt? https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4822/0/ (Missing From West Lafayette IN(Purdue University) since 08/06/85.

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    IL - Chicago. Blk Fem UP12930. Wedged in rocks at shore of Lake Michigan. March '08.

    This lady was found over 5 years ago but wasn't listed anywhere until Sept. this year.

    NamUs #12930 - Unidentified 55-75 year old black female.
    Found: March 25, 2008
    Location: Rocks along the shore line of Lake Michigan - 5401 S. Lake Shore Dr. Chicago, Cook County, Illinois
    Estimated postmortem interval: 3 months

    Vitals
    Height: 67 in., estimated
    Weight: 200 lbs, estimated
    Hair color: black

    Clothing
    Jacket - Green & Purple
    Jacket - Blue & Green
    Long sleeve Turtle neck shirt - Black
    Long sleeve shirt - Black
    Short sleeve shirt (Coronado Bay Brand) - Brown
    Long sleeve sweater - Blue
    Ski Mask - black
    Pants- purple
    Pair of socks - black
    Pair of socks - white
    Pair of socks Gray/Red

    Accessories
    Business Card- bearing the information: Alliance for Mentally Ill, 1536 W. Chicago Avenue, Chicago, Illinois.
    Business Card - bearing the information: Bridging the GAP Communal Living, 6950 S. Wentworth Ave, Chicago, Illinois.

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: not available
    Dentals: available and entered
    DNA: samples submitted, not complete

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    What do y'all think of this possible match?
    NamUs Missing Person #5349 - Janet Tillman - 47-50 year old black female - on Charley Project (NamUs and Charley have conflicting info on her exact age)
    Missing: Oct 28, 2007 (~5 months prior to discovery of UP, ~2 mo. prior to estimated date of death)
    From: East Saint Louis, St. Clair County, Illinois (just under 300 miles from unidentified remains), last seen getting into a dark red car driven by an unknown black male.

    Vitals
    Height: 67 in.
    Weight: 180-185 lbs.
    Hair color: Black
    Eyes: dark brown
    Scars/marks: Scar near left eye, tracheotomy scar on neck.

    Clothing
    Unknown, wears glasses

    Identifiers
    Dentals: not available
    Fingerprints: not available
    DNA: Sample submitted - tests complete

    According to family, she was mentally disabled, had been a "street person" and worked as a prostitute.

    Where's Janet? Family protests police handling of missing woman's case

    "She was my sister, she was my kids' aunt," she said. "It's no excuse for what they did. Is she any less of a person because of what she did? Is she any less of a human being?"
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    Hi lucidtx. Thanks for adding this UID. I am local to Chicago and did some looking at the photo with the paper items this Jane doe carried with her. They all indicate she was a local homeless person. The two business cards are for info on homeless shelters/support.

    What isn't mentioned in the NamUs listing is the info which can be gleaned from the other papers. I can't make them out entirely, but starting with the top center I read, "State of...., Department of....., Personal Property......" And then a little to the left in the center of this peice of paper it looks like a hand written date of birth is either 05-21-1954 or 05-21-1959.

    There is a second DHS (Department of Human Services) form, which I am also not familiar with which reads (hand written) "intake" and the month listed is 12. Not being familiar with the form, I don't know if it is for intake for processing someone into the County Jail, or for intake into a treatment center of some kind. https://identifyus.org/en/medias/full/25884



    I hope someone who might be more familiar with these forms chimes in.


    Also, according to Charley Project, Janet's DOB is 11-4-1959, which is different than the DOB that appears on one of the forms listed at NamUs.

    Janet's Charley Project page:
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...man_janet.html

    I don't have reason to believe Janet would have made her way to Chicago. It could be possible, but I think it's a stretch.

    Here is a link to Janet's thread here at WS:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...le-28-Oct-2007
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    ~JMO~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Hi lucidtx. Thanks for adding this UID. I am local to Chicago and did some looking at the photo with the paper items this Jane doe carried with her. They all indicate she was a local homeless person. The two business cards are for info on homeless shelters/support.

    What isn't mentioned in the NamUs listing is the info which can be gleaned from the other papers. I can't make them out entirely, but starting with the top center I read, "State of...., Department of....., Personal Property......" And then a little to the left in the center of this peice of paper it looks like a hand written date of birth is either 05-21-1954 or 05-21-1959.

    There is a second DHS (Department of Human Services) form, which I am also not familiar with which reads (hand written) "intake" and the month listed is 12. Not being familiar with the form, I don't know if it is for intake for processing someone into the County Jail, or for intake into a treatment center of some kind. https://identifyus.org/en/medias/full/25884



    I hope someone who might be more familiar with these forms chimes in.


    Also, according to Charley Project, Janet's DOB is 11-4-1959, which is different than the DOB that appears on one of the forms listed at NamUs.

    Janet's Charley Project page:
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...man_janet.html

    I don't have reason to believe Janet would have made her way to Chicago. It could be possible, but I think it's a stretch.

    Here is a link to Janet's thread here at WS:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...le-28-Oct-2007
    After blowing up the photo:

    The personal property form looks like it says "Department of H..." to me.

    The two luggage tag-looking items are from Pacific Garden Mission: http://www.pgm.org/ It's been around for a very long time. It's located here: https://goo.gl/maps/v0ljZ

    One of the papers gives 6950 S Wentworth Ave, Chicago, IL 60621 as the address for Bridging the Gap. That's here: https://goo.gl/maps/SyRCk The top left piece of paper includes what appears to be a map with transit stops and directions to someplace; it looks really similar to the BTG location to me.

    The handwritten roundish paper in the middle, next to one of the luggage tags, has a phone number. Reverse lookup says it belongs to "Alliance For Mntl Ill Gr Chic" (http://checkwhocalled.com/phone-number/1-312-563-0445)
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    I agree the personal property form looks like Department of H..... but, I think it could also be wet ink from either the reverse side, or another piece of paper.

    So many people go through various homeless shelters I don't think they are going to help on a specific ID. Other than if they have records on people who left between December and March of 2008.

    Take a look at the paper covering the Christmas wrapping paper. Covering the letters N and S in Seasons. Viewing it upside down, I wonder if it is a partial SS number? I'm seeing something space 15 - 4491?

    There is a verified paralegal who posts here outside of the UID forum. I am going to ask this member to check in here and see about getting some help or idea's on those forms. I can't help but thinking matching up those forms and someone who has access to research them within Cook Cty might be able to find out who this is.
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    I couldn't make out enough of that number to decide whether it was part of a SSN or part of a phone number.

    The Department of H... definitely looks like it's on this side of the paper. The next letter could be the first part of a U, but that could be, as you say, soaked through.

    Do you think those two forms could be part of the same form? It looks like the date box lines up. I don't have good graphics software so it's pretty crude.

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    The "DHS" is for the Illinois Department of Human Services. The logo matches with what I found on their website: https://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.asp...&division=DASA

    That link is an extensive list of various forms they use. I looked at it until my eyes crossed, but couldn't find anything that matched, which isn't surprising as I think these agencies "rework" their forms quite often. A few words that stood out to me on this particular form the UID had are: confiscated, intake, personal property, razors, narcotics. Maybe it is an intake form for some type of residential services? Inpatient substance abuse, some type of shelter?

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