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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Doesn't mean you must not rely on evidence of commission of these acts whether #Magnotta suffered from mental disorder at the time.

    Reliability of info to experts by #Magnotta: factor independent but related if he was malingering.

    Must consider if any inconsistencies of statements made by #Magnotta: failed to mention something, explanation for it?

    Is it evidence of faulty memory or evidence of psychosis he was suffering? #Magnotta

    Judge refers to defence psych report on possible reasons for faking mental illness. #Magnotta

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    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...tta_trial.html

    Again, no mention in this article - when they're talking about premeditation - about the trailer video LM posted before killing Jun Lin. This really bugs me. Why isn't this being talked about more?

    Crown prosecutors Louis Bouthillier has also emphasized an email Magnotta sent to a British reporter after being confronted about a series of cat-killing videos he has posted to the Internet. The message was sent months before Lin’s killing and suggested he intended his next victim to be a human and that the death would also be filmed.

    “You see, killing is different than smoking . . . with smoking you can actually quit,” Magnotta wrote. “Once you kill, and taste blood, it’s impossible to stop.”

    The video showing Lin’s dismemberment was eventually posted to a gore website under the title 1lunatic1icepick.

    The jury was shown hours of surveillance tapes that show Magnotta coming and going from his Montreal apartment — the site of the killing — to the basement garbage room to dispose of human remains, tools and other items that were recovered by police investigators to tie the crime to Magnotta.

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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago

    #Magnotta keeping his head down for the judge's instructions.


    This struck me!!
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    Thanks for taking over the tweets guys! And to redheart......may I join your "impatient group"??

    OK, still must go and be busy this afternoon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Stone_Unturned View Post

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago

    #Magnotta keeping his head down for the judge's instructions.


    This struck me!!

    Nah, this was no surprise to me. I am almost positive his lawyers would have told him to shield his face from the jurors, media, etc. I think it would have been impossible for him not to show off his arrogance or smugness or to attempt to over-dramatize his reactions (like at the preliminaries). They did not want any of his true personality to be seen by the jury, rather leave him a blank slate. JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redheart View Post
    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...tta_trial.html

    Again, no mention in this article - when they're talking about premeditation - about the trailer video LM posted before killing Jun Lin. This really bugs me. Why isn't this being talked about more?
    I know this must sound so confusing and frustrating, but he already plead guilty. The trial wasn't about proving that LM did murder JL, but LM being NCR for his actions. So basicly the whole case is build about LM's psyche and not something else. As i see it, the Crown thinks/believes that the email to the Sun was enough evidence to hold up in court, because mr West could testify about that email. As to the kitten video's, it was/is harder for the Crown to pin it down on LM. They have too little evidence for it to make it solid. Eventhough the animal activist group has a strong case, i think the Crown didn't see it as "important"enough and on a side track: it is not the case where LM sits trial for.
    Now about the promoting 1 lunatic 1 icepick on the internet 2 week prior. Yes it is an important aspect to look at in regards of being CR or NCR. But all the promoting was done online. No wittnesses no third party no nothing. And we know that LM used different ip adresses all around the world, so basicly they have nothing to build a strong lead supporting that LM is CR. I think that's why the Crown dodged that whole promoting/ kitten thing. They worked with what they have and builded a case around that. Proving that he is infact insane but responsible for his actions. And this is also what MSM is portraiting.

    On a side note: this happened in The Netherlands aswell. An unsolved murder ( 16 yrs ) broke through via dna. The purp was caught and he plead guilty. But when questioned by the Judge he told an unbelievable story with all sorts of hiats , "i don't knows" and "i can't rembembers". He was convicted ofcourse but the thuth will remain hidden because he plead guilty.

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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 20s 21 seconds ago

    To decide this, must consider all evidence including mental disorder and anything said or done in this case. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 50s 51 seconds ago

    Judge says if jury satisfied there was intent to murder, next question: was it both planned and deliberate? #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Judge opens door to #manslaughter verdict in #Magnotta trial. #CJAD
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago

    #Magnotta has admitted the first 2 elements, jury must determine the last 2 elements beyond reasonable doubt.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3m 3 minutes ago

    If not, and find reasonable doubt about all elements and mental disorder, must find #Magnotta guilty of 1st degree murder.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago

    Unless jury satisfied crown proved all elements beyond reasonable doubt, find #Magnotta not guilty of 1st degree murder.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago

    Unlawful act, unlawful act caused #JunLin death, intent to murder, murder planned and deliberate. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago

    1st degree murder: Crown must have proven 4 elements. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 9m 9 minutes ago

    If evidence shows mental disorder not enough to find him non crim responsible but reasonable doubt for each offence. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 11m 11 minutes ago

    If not,but find #Magnotta suffering from mental disorder but not 1 tht prevented him frm knowing right from wrong,must consider as evidence.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 12m 12 minutes ago

    You have to be satisfied #Magnotta more likely than not was suffering from mental disorder. If yes, find him not crim responsible.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15m 15 minutes ago

    Watts had said that #Magnotta was in a psychotic state May 24, 25 26 and did not know his acts were wrong.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 17m 17 minutes ago

    Judge refers to psych reports such as that of Watts on #Magnotta knowing right from wrong.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 17m 17 minutes ago

    So was #Magnotta incapable of knowing his acts were wrong because of his mental disorder?
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18m 18 minutes ago

    Did it deprive #Magnotta of the capacity of knowing the acts were wrong?
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18m 18 minutes ago

    2nd question: more likely or not #Magnotta mental disorder made him incapable at the time of knowing acts were wrong?
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 20m 20 minutes ago

    Empty seat among the 14 jurors. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 21m 21 minutes ago

    Jury is here. Back to the judge's instructions. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 23m 23 minutes ago

    Ok bringing in the jury. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Judge opens door to second degree murder verdict in #Magnotta trial. #CJAD
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 37s 37 seconds ago

    If jury finds murder planned and deliberate and no reasonable doubt about evidence and mental disorder,find #Magnotta guilty of 1st degree.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Unless jury is satisfied murder planned and deliberate, must find #Magnotta not guilty of 1st degree murder and guilty of 2nd degree murder
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 34s 34 seconds ago

    If jury not satisfied crown proved all elements linked to interfering with dead body, find #Magnotta not guilty.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 21s 21 seconds ago

    If jury satisfied w/ all elements of evidence beyond reasonable doubt and mental disorder, find #Magnotta guilty of interfering w/dead body.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 56s 56 seconds ago

    Since #Magnotta also admitted to mailing and producing obscene material, jury must determine if #Magnotta intended to do these things.
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    There seems to be a stop in the judge's instructions.....
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 47s 48 seconds ago

    Position of parties: defence asked verdict of non crim responsible. Did physical act. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 47s 48 seconds ago

    Same goes for criminally harassing PM Stephen Harper & MPs: was #Magnotta aware his conduct harassed them?
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 47s 48 seconds ago

    This case is unique and you are in a unique position. Video before and after events. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16s 16 seconds ago

    Judge says to consider diff evidence:. i.e. Berlin psych who made initial diagnosis of severe psychotic episode linked to schizo. #Magnotta
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