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    CA - Los Angeles, WhtMale UP3495, 42-52, inside parked car, Sep'96

    NamUs UP # 3495 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3495

    Unidentified White Male

    Found September 23, 1996 in Los Angeles, California

    Physical Characteristics

    * Age: 42-52
    * Height: 70" (5 feet 10 inches)
    * Weight: 175 lbs
    * Head Hair: Brown
    * FacialHair: None
    * Eye Color: Brown
    * Scars and Marks: Had old surgical scar to inner right knee

    Condition of Remains
    * Comments: Recognizable face

    Clothing
    * Comments: Wore Red Boxer Shorts

    Circumstances (Source: LA County Coroner Website)
    * Comments: On 9/23/1996 at 1818 hours the decedent was found in a parked vehicle that was parked at the 3800 block of Roxton St. in Los Angeles. The vehicle had been parked at this location since 9/20/1996. Age range between 42-52 years of age.

    Identifiers
    * Dental: Dental information / charting is available and entered
    * DNA: Sample Submitted, Tests Complete
    * Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 12-15-2014 at 12:33 PM.

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    Using the old URL for this case, I ran it through the Wayback Machine, and found that the archived version of the page still includes the PM photo. (thanks ebonydarkness)

    If you decide to try this yourselves, be forewarned that the photo is a bit gruesome. I am not going to post a direct link here, but if you want to look, here's the URL string to plug into Wayback Machine.

    "http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/uipdetail.cfm?proc_flg=S&unid_case_num=1996-07036"

    Juan Ernesto Echegaray very strongly resembles this John Doe, and most of the other parameters are pretty much inline.


    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...aray_juan.html

    ***** Juan Echegaray John Doe UP3495 Comparison
    Age:
    58 42-52 Slightly above Range
    Height:
    5 Feet 9 inches 5 Feet 10 inches One Inch Off
    Weight:
    170 lbs 175 lbs 5 Pounds Off
    Hair:
    Brown Gray Discrepancy
    Eyes:
    Black Brown Probable Match
    Date LKA/Discovery Date:
    07-May-1996 23-Sep-1996 4 months
    Loc LKA/Discovery Loc:
    Long Beach South Los Angeles About 25 Miles


    I just sent an email to Daniel Machian (at the LA Coroner's office), asking him if Juan Echegaray can be compared to this John Doe.

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    Just saw the PM. Is that 3 days worth of decomp or was he killed earlier?
    I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody.

    Lily Tomlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tssiemer View Post
    Just saw the PM. Is that 3 days worth of decomp or was he killed earlier?
    That looks like about 3 days of decomp. Since he was inside of a car, animals and insects were probably unable to get to the body.

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    Does it not list COD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjohnston0827 View Post
    Does it not list COD?
    No - COD is not indicated.

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    I already received a reply from Daniel Machian.

    Juan Echegaray is not a match, he had full dentures, and the UID did not.

    I e-mailed Meaghan at Charley Project to suggest that she include full dentures in his physical description.

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    It would help to know if this is suicide or homicide. I wonder if LE is specifically withholding the CoD or if it was omitted by mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Using the old URL for this case, I ran it through the Wayback Machine, and found that the archived version of the page still includes the PM photo. (thanks ebonydarkness)

    If you decide to try this yourselves, be forewarned that the photo is a bit gruesome. I am not going to post a direct link here, but if you want to look, here's the URL string to plug into Wayback Machine.

    "http://coroner.lacounty.gov/htm/uipdetail.cfm?proc_flg=S&unid_case_num=1996-07036"

    Juan Ernesto Echegaray very strongly resembles this John Doe, and most of the other parameters are pretty much inline.


    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...aray_juan.html

    ***** Juan Echegaray John Doe UP3495 Comparison
    Age:
    58 42-52 Slightly above Range
    Height:
    5 Feet 9 inches 5 Feet 10 inches One Inch Off
    Weight:
    170 lbs 175 lbs 5 Pounds Off
    Hair:
    Brown Gray Discrepancy
    Eyes:
    Black Brown Probable Match
    Date LKA/Discovery Date:
    07-May-1996 23-Sep-1996 4 months
    Loc LKA/Discovery Loc:
    Long Beach South Los Angeles About 25 Miles


    I just sent an email to Daniel Machian (at the LA Coroner's office), asking him if Juan Echegaray can be compared to this John Doe.
    i couldnt get the wayback machine to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    No - COD is not indicated.
    The LA County Coroner site says that the COD was homicide by gunshot wound to the head:

    http://mec.lacounty.gov/wps/portal/m...Num=1996-07036


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    Wayback didn't work for me, either.

    I wonder whose car he was found in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Using the old URL for this case, I ran it through the Wayback Machine, and found that the archived version of the page still includes the PM photo. (thanks ebonydarkness)
    No problem. I'm glad the trick I suggested could have led, however indirectly, to a Charley Project case file being updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebonydarkness View Post
    No problem. I'm glad the trick I suggested could have led, however indirectly, to a Charley Project case file being updated.
    And it also led, indirectly, to a reconstruction being created for this John Doe.



    (BTW, Don't rely on the ear for identification. It was not shown in the postmortem, so I had to get it from somewhere else to complete the image.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCart View Post
    Wayback didn't work for me, either.

    I wonder whose car he was found in.
    You either need to take the " off the start and end of link. Or when you go to wayback machine take the http out of the link or out of the search box, as when you copy and paste the link wayback adds http to it so you end up with it twice which causes it not to work.

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    Huh. He looks just like the guy who delivers my newspaper every morning. Newspaper guy is from San Ysidro, CA, for what it's worth.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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